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Ok, another incident occurred, but this time, with an old childhood girlfriend that I reconnected with a year ago on Facebook after 35+ years. Back then, she and I became best friends in junior high school. We went our separate ways after we moved onto high school. We attended different schools, and then we totally lost touch after that.
Well, she reappeared on Facebook last year and we reconnected. We got together only twice, once for lunch and once for kayaking. The lunch we had was more of a cocktail and catch up lunch that went on for several hours. She had married and was amidst divorcing a narcissist at the time. At lunch, I was astounded at the completely different person in front of me. In junior high school, this girl had been a rock star- a straight A student and star athlete - to boot, she was very beautiful and seemed to have it all. BUT, the adult woman 35+ years later sitting in front of me at lunch was a sad mess of a person with obvious low self esteem. She was dating toxic men through her divorce, and couldn't see the toxicity when I pointed it out to her. Anyways, I attempted other get togethers with her, and she would confirm then canceled multiple times, so we only had those 2 times together, then she disappeared for the next year. Fast forward to this past summer - she resurfaces and contacts me out of the blue, wanting to get together for any local music show. I attempted multiple times to invite her with me, but she declined every time. Fast forward to end of the summer - her schedule finanlly allowed us to get together for a lunch, cocktails, and catch-up time this past weekend. We agreed to meet on Sat. Well, I came down with horrible laryngitis, and had to cancel plans with her kind of last minute on Friday. She had done that to me multiple times last year, so I figured she would understand. I did have other Labor Day weekend plans that I kept despite my condition of laryngitis. I canceled with her in knowing that sitting at a lunch drinking cocktails with her would likely turn into yet another 3-4 hour talking fest, which would strain my voice and probably make me lose it even more. I kept my other plans, however. So Labor Day weekend I saw a couple of different bands and I drove to Maine to see a girlfriend from college, the one I wrote about above. Yes, my voice was still hoarse and strained,. but she and I had made this plan several weeks ago, and I didn't want to cancel on her. We also hadn't seen each other in several years. Well, so I did post photos of my weekend on Facebook - of the 2 bands I saw and of my friend and I at the beach in Maine. So, this childhood girlfriend saw my Facebook posts, and thought that I must have lied to her about my laryngitis. So, she wrote the most snarky, sarcastic and passive aggressive comment on one of my posts. I replied and explained myself. Then I texted her individually to follow up privately with her about it. She did not reply until later that evening. I confronted her on her Facebook comment, telling her that to me, it sounded very snarky, very sarcastic and passive aggressive, and asked if that was how she meant it to be. She replied with, well you had plenty of room for other plans this weekend. So, that confirmed to me that yes, her comment on my facebook post was meant exactly as I had interpreted it. I promptly reacted and told her that I don't need more toxic people and toxic crap in my life, that I did not deserve that kind of comment, I said take care, and then I blocked her. Oh, and before that had occurred, I had sent her a voice recording of just how bad my laryngitis is. So now the next morning, I am seething from this latest experience with yet another toxic person. I am just so done. I have had it with these types of f'ed up people that come into my life. F*uk it and F *uk them. F*uk her while I am at it. I am just plain DONE. The more I explore and venture on my own trying to make new friends, the more I see just how many people in this world are toxic. And it's totally freaking me out. __________________ "Twenty-five years and my life is still trying to get up that great big hill of hope for a destination" ~4 Non Blondes |
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Sorry to hear about those interactions, it sounds difficult.
You’ve probably had way more experience of narcissistic personalities than me, but I read this article about covert narcissism: Covert Narcissist: Signs, Causes, and How to Respond It can be more subtle apparently. Of course narcissistic behaviour can be a trauma response, in the case of your friend who experienced narcissistic abuse herself, although that’s not necessarily the case of course. |
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I’m pretty much astounded by people’s poor behavior. My boss totally micromanages all my written communications at work. I had to teach and coach her on the industry/ my field and she likely wants some sense of control over me. It’s annoying af. Today I stood up for myself in the face of it. I couldn’t take anymore.
Ugh. I’m really starting to dislike the human race altogether. __________________ "Twenty-five years and my life is still trying to get up that great big hill of hope for a destination" ~4 Non Blondes |
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I am becoming seriously unhappy. The only living things right now that I feel happiness and joy with are my cat, nature, the few close friends I have, the new friends I did make this year who are nice to me, my sister and my mom. All other people suck. I am so done.
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I’m maybe the wrong person to comment on this but I do keep my world pretty close to me these days, family, couple of dear friends. Sure, have more friends but keep expectations down, a lot of people are almost entirely self motivated in my experience- even the otherwise nice ones, in fact I think our cultures encourage it. That’s my take. Maybe I’m pessimistic, some might say, I feel I’m more realistic.
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I am of a similar mindset as you. To expand even further, we have entered into a world of rising technology, social media, and now AI. There are more scammers than ever before, and the rise of the Internet and technology have created this. Mean people and bullies hide behind their computers, while lashing out and projecting all their anger and rage onto innocent nice people. I see this as only getting worse as AI takes over. I am certainly now far more cautious and deliberate than I've ever been when it comes to confiding in people and/or befriending new people I come across. I want to hold my loved ones tight and close to me, and distance from all those who do not have my best interests at heart. My girlfriend in Maine the other day really took me by surprise with her behavior towards me. And when I reached out to a mutual college girlfriend of ours and told her of my experience with this girlfriend in Maine who had been prickly with me? Our mutual friend's response was nearly as surprising to me - she told me "well, she's not that way with me". So, I replied telling her that this statement only just serves to make me feel incredibly low and bad, and I told her that this is exactly what she does to me. Her response to me next was a gaslighting reply. She wrote "sorry you feel that way". I've researched this kind of reply, and it's toxic- it's a non-apology that deflects all responsibility, and is a very typical narc response. This particular other college girlfriend I have suspected as being a narcissist, for some time now, without full validation yet. She has an air of superiority ALWAYS, and speaks to me as though I am 5 years old and that she must educate me about the ways of the world. And I do. know she is deeply insecure.. like DEEPLY. So I think she overcompensates and always has to be the superior one. So, after her gaslighting comment, it sealed the deal for me, and I determined that she, too, is toxic for me. This now equates to FIVE toxic women in FOUR months that I've determined I must sever relations with. Even my college friend in Maine I would say is toxic. At least her behavior towards me was toxic the other day. She is dealing with a narcissist husband, so I know from personal experience that the toxicity of that relationship dynamic can unknowingly seep inside and then express itself outwardly towards others. I am sure she doesn't mean to do this, but it's how the toxic marriage is expressing itself through her. And my other college gf who gaslit me? GOODBYE. I decided I am DONE with her. Sorry, I did not mean to unload, and I guess I just did! LOL. Thank you again for your reply and input.. greatly appreciated. __________________ "Twenty-five years and my life is still trying to get up that great big hill of hope for a destination" ~4 Non Blondes |
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I’m struggling. I’m sad I had to let go of two long- term college friendships. Even though it’s for the sake of my health and happiness, I’m grieving the loss. I’ve had to deal with so much loss over the last two years. A divorce, my father died, friends have died, and now losing nearly lifelong friendships. I’ve gained friends too, don’t get me wrong. I’ve met some amazing new people who have become my friends. But the losses are profound and I’m feeling them today. Funny thing is, with each loss I’m regaining myself. Except for friends who have passed away.
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Now it's letting go just ONE long-term college friendship. The woman I met up with in Maine last week finally got a hold of me last night, so we had a nice long facetime chat. It helped!!! We were able to cover a lot of ground, I apologized for my reaction, and we're still friends even though I had to cut our other mutual college girlfriend loose. She was so kind and so understanding. I have a newfound respect and appreciation for her.
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