[whisperingskye]

Why is it wrong to be suicidal?

Just curious.

Feelings can't be wrong? But in some cases they are? How can that be so?

[DechanDawa]

"Wrong"

Well, the stoic philosophers would not think it at all "wrong" if the person had a logical reason.

But most everyone does NOT have a logical reason.

Maybe it is more illogical than wrong. It makes no sense as a "solution" to problems.

Morally it is rather egotistical to assume we can decide our fate. Others may consider it homicidal.

It is sad. How about that for a feeling? It is so sad it fills the whole Universe with sadness. It is so sad for those left behind it colors and ruins their lives forever. It is sad, too, too, too sad to even think about and I wish there was more help out there. More help is needed.

[whisperingskye]

There was much more depth to that answer than I was expecting I think. Thank you for that.

[wiretwister]

if you are truly free ... living in a free country ... and it is your decision made freely ... then it is not wrong ...

many cultures honor suicide .... the western church promoted the idea of heaven and charged money for believers to be able to go there ... to prevent there source of revenue from drying up they had to find a way to keep believers from going there ... after all it was to be with passed loved ones .... no pain or suffering and in the present of god ... the church did too good a job marketing there product ... so ... they made it the one unforgiveable sin .... since you could not repent of it ... problem solved ... got a product and everyone is willing to pay ... church was happy ...

non abraham based religions have no issue with it ... non abraham based governments have no issue with it .... thank god for our money obsessed guilt based western culture .... lol .

[DechanDawa]

Buddhists do not condone suicide because it is taking a life.
Hindus do not condone suicide because it is taking a life.
Jains do not condone suicide or even the killing of an insect.
The list goes on...

[whisperingskye]

But if you have no religion...

I get that a lot of people will use religion and follow those rules, I am not at all religious so that doesn't have an impact.

[wiretwister]

hindu's before westernization taught noble's howto ... the futher the head traveled was a mark of the honor granted to the man ... the Japanese for centuries taught honor was to be revered over all and taught su as a way to keep it when life failed you ... chinese buried entire royal houses together when the emperior died ... they may have been executed don't know .. but either way was a great honor ... the ancient greeks perfered death to surrender if they failed in battle ... druids it is reputed perfered death to becoming a slave ... ancient cultures from sumer to the inca's believed sheding your blood in the service of worship to god and or country was the highest honor ... sometimes reserved for kings ... to sacrfice themselves ... saints confessing christianity in the first 4 centuries ad were ofter marytered ... but they committed su ... exzactually the same as su by police happens today ... another may do the dirty work ... but the decision was yours ...

I hope you or no one else decides too ... but the history of mankind is dark and long .... many things have occured over the years ... including changes of society norms ...

[DechanDawa]

Originally Posted by whisperingskye

But if you have no religion...

I get that a lot of people will use religion and follow those rules, I am not at all religious so that doesn't have an impact.

I was just responding to wiretwister saying nonwestern religions honor suicide. This is not true. So I listed a few Asian religions that do not condone suicide because I don't think members should post misinformation.

In my original post I said that the act of suicide is not logical. It is the result of cognitive and emotional distortion.

I believe that suicidal ideation is caused by emotional pain that feels too great for a person to handle. Someone who does not experience severe depression cannot imagine the pain.

I spent December and January calling hotlines and I got a lot tips about how to handle depression and anxiety.

I am not on medication and don't have a regular therapist.

So what can help??? Love, caring, sharing, self-care, exercise, a support system, maybe DBT or CBT. Well...the list is endless. I think I could list 200 things that might help.

I know some people don't like hotlines but when my friends and family did not help I reached out and called many different hotlines. I talked to some good people who actually knew what I was feeling.

The reason I consider suicide "wrong" is because it is the result of a cognitive distortion. It is a faulty conclusion. And I honor clear thinking. So no matter how many times I have suicidal ideation or suicidal thoughts I know it is a wrong assumption. It is a stupid solution. It would be like cutting off your arm because you have a sprained finger.

[childofchaos831]

So I am way too tired to read and actually comprehend the link I am posting, but it is arguments from philosophers, wrong vs. not wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil...de?wprov=sfla1

[woe-be-gone]

Hi, I am someone that doesn't consider suicide to be "wrong".

I am not saying this in a depressed note. I've actually had some pretty insightful thoughts yesterday that gave me an amazing reason to live.

But I digress, I do not consider suicide wrong because we have the free will to decide if we want to keep surviving. Being human gives us that power to choose. But if someone told me they were having suicidal thoughts I would definitely ask them to reflect more on what is causing those thoughts because if it is based on any sort of trauma, it is something that can be altered with self-reflection and understanding through therapy and other methods. So even if I don't think suicide is wrong, I don't mean allow anyone who says they want to. In fact, there must be a very clear reason in our heads to want to suicide and if they are announcing it, it's a cry for help which should be given. As a living being, it is not something we would take lightly. We would have a strong reason to do it so I do say you should be allowed to...But only after you are completely proven that is rational and logical.

Yesterday, all my years of suicidal thoughts got slapped across space with just one rational, logical reason for me to survive and be truly me. It took years for me to want to live...But I did still live for these 26 years just not very happily.

So I believe people who do commit suicide are not 'wrong' they just didn't find a reason to live and that's okay. It's not wrong. It's incredibly sad for us because we really want to live. But when I didn't really want to, I used to feel terribly guilty for wanting to die that it actually made my need to die worse. Lol Considering suicide wrong actually promotes a lot of suicidal thoughts when people are having Existential crises.

That's my little philosophical point of view.

[DechanDawa]

Originally Posted by childofchaos831

So I am way too tired to read and actually comprehend the link I am posting, but it is arguments from philosophers, wrong vs. not wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil...de?wprov=sfla1

This was a good read. I liked that the Unitarians said don't consider suicide because it will cause one's friends and family to suffer. It is a good logical and compassionate reason to choose life. Always. Thanks again for finding this and posting it.

I don't know why it's "wrong"...

To me, we are raised with the idea that we should achieve, want, desire, obtain success...

So it...seems hypocritical to me to exclude suicide.

[DechanDawa]

Originally Posted by woe-be-gone

Hi, I am someone that doesn't consider suicide to be "wrong".

I am not saying this in a depressed note. I've actually had some pretty insightful thoughts yesterday that gave me an amazing reason to live.

But I digress, I do not consider suicide wrong because we have the free will to decide if we want to keep surviving. Being human gives us that power to choose. But if someone told me they were having suicidal thoughts I would definitely ask them to reflect more on what is causing those thoughts because if it is based on any sort of trauma, it is something that can be altered with self-reflection and understanding through therapy and other methods. So even if I don't think suicide is wrong, I don't mean allow anyone who says they want to. In fact, there must be a very clear reason in our heads to want to suicide and if they are announcing it, it's a cry for help which should be given. As a living being, it is not something we would take lightly. We would have a strong reason to do it so I do say you should be allowed to...But only after you are completely proven that is rational and logical.

Yesterday, all my years of suicidal thoughts got slapped across space with just one rational, logical reason for me to survive and be truly me. It took years for me to want to live...But I did still live for these 26 years just not very happily.

So I believe people who do commit suicide are not 'wrong' they just didn't find a reason to live and that's okay. It's not wrong. It's incredibly sad for us because we really want to live. But when I didn't really want to, I used to feel terribly guilty for wanting to die that it actually made my need to die worse. Lol Considering suicide wrong actually promotes a lot of suicidal thoughts when people are having Existential crises.

That's my little philosophical point of view.

This was beautifully written and expressed. I am happy for you. Everything you wrote was spot on right in my book. I wish those around me (friends, family) could understand what you wrote. Because I believe that it is an existential crises and others could be instrumental in helping one get out. But you found a way, so good for you.

[wiretwister]

Originally Posted by woe-be-gone

Yesterday, all my years of suicidal thoughts got slapped across space with just one rational, logical reason for me to survive and be truly me. It took years for me to want to live...But I did still live for these 26 years just not very happily.

I am so glad for you ... I pray that desire just continues to grow and grow ... the world needs good positive role models ... (sucess stories) ... maybe being "truly you" will fill your life with the mysterious bliss that I dream of finding .... good for you ... Tigger.

[whisperingskye]

Thank you all for your feedback. My head isn't in a good place, I'm very tired and can't seem to concentrate or make sense of what I'm trying to read. I just didn't want people to think I was ignoring it all...hopefully I sleep tonight and that might make things a bit easier to understand tomorrow...

Thanks again, you're all great