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Default May 01, 2018 at 04:59 AM
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There comes a point in life when you are free to make your own life. You can make decisions for a better life of not. VO often comes here to talk about others mistreatment of himself. I think he is now an adu!t and can improve his situation, but he doesn't even try to make his next moment better. Negativity just begets more negativity. How about starting a gratitude journal. It might be a challenge at first, but it is a step towards breaking the negative self talk. And there is something in him that wants to remain among the !living because after months of posts he is still here with us. Only VO can start the process to make his life brighter one moment at a time. It's the to stop the blame game for it makes nothing better. Time to take some responsibility for making a better life. When I am thinking everything and everybody is treating me wrong it is usual!y 90% of me that's the problem. The first steps are often the hardest, but with earnest effort there is a good chance for positive change.

I am not being heartless. I have had my share of negative life experiences. I have been on the bottom rung of the ladder many, many times but not so much anymore.
Thanks for sharing this, but I'm right here so I'd rather you or anyone else would talk to me in 2nd person than in 3rd person.

The thing I discovered is people have allot to be blamed for one's suffering
If someone is supposed to take care of you and you are suicidal, the mistreatment is on them, not you. It doesn't make sense to place so much blame and responsibility on someone who suffers, not at all!
I know I am generalizing, not everyone chooses to hurt but there are certainly people who choose to hurt and something has to be done to stop them. This is regarding the Mental Health Police topic I opened up here some time ago.
The idea which has to be understood is, mental health is a very new field, viewing the mental state as physical as the physical body. And if the physical body has been known to be harmed by others, so can mental health be harmed by others
Think of pranks in school where a bully encourages another kid to set a fire alarm in school for the sake of pleasure, and the kid gets blamed instead of the bully. They are just kids, but like you wouldn't want a kid to physically torture someone, you wouldn't want a kid to manipulate another towards harm

Think about it. Let that sink in instead of immediately responding

I know it seems unrelated, but the suicide topic is as deep as mental health and society, and eventually they all meet in the ground water
 

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Default May 01, 2018 at 06:37 AM
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VO, I know that other people can be the cause of our suffering, but I think the point is that those people cannot fix our suffering. To get better, WE must do the work. No matter if you put the abuser in jail or make them pay for your therapy/treatment, the work of treatment is still on YOU to perform. There is no other way. I know; I've tried.

Honestly, I don't know why you should NOT commit suicide. I don't have any moral stance against it. But I think that it's a solution for which none of us can truly comprehend the consequences so it's risk-reward factor is very low.

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Default May 01, 2018 at 07:43 AM
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The idea of stopping people who choose to hurt is for wellbeinf - the idea that people who choose to hurt are unstopped creates an unsafe environment and no one want to live unsafely. Everyone wants safety
Putting bandages on bruises will heal them. But to put bandages when the danger is still lurking is a sign of environmental insecurity.
So putting bandages over the bruises is important, but not without also treating the external peoblem itself

As for the suicide statement, I hope you didn’t say that to me personally.
I am NEVER intending to commit suicide, over my dead body (as satirical as it sounds). I am going to live in this world, there’s allot of work to be done
 
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Default May 01, 2018 at 07:48 AM
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I hope you didn’t say that to me personally
I was saying it to you. But I did not mean that "YOU" should commit suicide. I meant I don't know why anyone should not commit suicide. That I don't have a reason to stop anyone from doing that.

Obviously I do not want you to do SUI. And I hope you do not. I enjoy conversing with you here and your very complex thoughts.

I did not mean it offensively or as an attack. Was just trying to answer your question in an honest way. I apologize if it upset you or came across other than I intended.

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I was saying it to you. But I did not mean that "YOU" should commit suicide. I meant I don't know why anyone should not commit suicide. That I don't have a reason to stop anyone from doing that.

Obviously I do not want you to do SUI. And I hope you do not. I enjoy conversing with you here and your very complex thoughts.

I did not mean it offensively or as an attack. Was just trying to answer your question in an honest way. I apologize if it upset you or came across other than I intended.
Ok. By the way I made an edit. May want to check it out
 
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Default May 01, 2018 at 08:14 AM
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Ok. By the way I made an edit. May want to check it out
I honestly think they are two separate issues.

1. Dealing with the perpetrators of emotional abuse.

2. Helping victims heal from emotional abuse.

They are linked, yes, but separate. Imo.

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Default May 01, 2018 at 08:40 AM
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Of course they are separate operations.
But heed this - emotional manipulation is only one type of mental attack

The goal is to execute the former operation instead of continuously executing the latter to what seems no avail
 
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I am closing this thread. It has run it's course is has turned unsupportive and argumentative.

Please do not open another thread on this topic.
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