[Michael W. Harris]

Yes! Water-boarding the abusive family members, to force them to be honest and tell the mental health professionals exactly what transpired during my toddler years, would speed treatment up.

My Mom and Dad are dead now. Can't water-board them. So it would have to be my Brother. That would be the only way he would be able to tell the truth. He is mentally incapable of understanding what he did to me. He is mentally incapable of holding any thought in his head which might show he did something wrong. But in his defense, my Mom programmed him to believe that it was normal to "pick-on" (abuse) me.

I am positive now that my Mom and Brother must have done things really, really sick to me. I believe that they must have been the ones that kept my Dad from ever talking to me. There is no telling what Mom told Dad.

I just wrote a letter to the Athens Banner-Herald. I said that God sends people to Hell for bad parenting. Jesus said that the two worse sins that a human could commit were to abuse a child and to commit a spiritual sin. A spiritual sin is when religious bureaucrats preach about God to make money but God does not know them and did not ordain them to talk about him. At least that is my opinion of what Jesus meant by spiritual sin. I believe it was spoken of the Pharisees.

[Amyjay]

I can't say that I support torturing anyone. Not even abusers. I think you are right in saying that some people are mentally incapable of understanding the harm they have caused to others. But your brother was only a child too.
Ultimately we can't make any one person do, say, believe, admit to, or take ownership of anything. Not even with torture. Torture doesn't heal anything. It only creates more harm, more pain.

[RubyRae]

It's not necessary to have any family members admit to a professional what they did to you as a child.All you need to do is tell them yourself.

Healing isn't about proving anything,it's about working through and working on the effects of what you went through.

[Michael W. Harris]

I want revenge now. I sent a whole package of things that I wrote describing my childhood to the Dr. Colin Ross Institute for Psychological Trauma and The Sirdran Institute. For all I know they may have thrown the package in the garbage, but if they were true professionals, aka scientists, they would have read it at least to advance knowledge of mental health. Information, aka data, like that is important to advance the field. Knowing all the various ways a toddler can be traumatized is critical in teaching new parents good parenting skills.

[RubyRae]

The long lasting effects of child abuse is common knowledge amongst professionals.

I'm sorry but I highly doubt reading your experiences will advance their knowledge in an area they specialize in.

I'm sorry you feel so frustrated you felt the need to do this.I hope you discuss all of this with a professional face to face.

Are you currently in therapy?

[Amyjay]

I agree with RubyRae. trauma therapists have a really good understanding of the effects of early childhood trauma and their knowledge advances all the time due to sound research.
There is likely not much they can with the info you send them. Advancement in the field comes through research not anecdotal accounts. They wouldn't be able to help you either.
It might be more helpful to share that information with a professional face to face. is that a possibility for you?

Tormential revenge is a quicksand- I do know the crave...I’d rather just step away and never look back. My absence speaks volume over torture. Torture means you are still in my head and my hate has peaked insanity, silent absence means they are no longer relevant and utterly rejected.

[Michael W. Harris]

Originally Posted by RubyRae

The long lasting effects of child abuse is common knowledge amongst professionals.

I'm sorry but I highly doubt reading your experiences will advance their knowledge in an area they specialize in.

I'm sorry you feel so frustrated you felt the need to do this.I hope you discuss all of this with a professional face to face.

Are you currently in therapy?

I started trying to get therapy in 1992. I finally admitted to myself after a divorce in 1991 that I had MPD. I had known something was wrong for years. Now I do not want to talk to mental health professionals anymore because it is too late to save my life now. I want medical malpractice attorneys to get involved in this system. That is the only way that mental health professionals will produce a science like the biologist, botanist, zoologist, physicists, chemists, etc. have produced their fields. The lawyers need to give mental health patients the same rights that medical patients have.

[Amyjay]

I don't believe it is ever too late to improve your own situation. Sure, you may not be able to heal as fully as you might have if you had been able to start therapy 20 years earlier... but then again maybe that isn't true either. 20 years earlier the therapy you may have been able to get would probably have been less helpful since research and study has given us much more knowledge about dissociative disorders and trauma treatment currently. My ex t told me that many DID patients from 20 -30 years ago are returning to treatment now and are finally able to get real help. Trauma therapy has come a long way in the last five years. My T said the talk therapies and "abreaction" therapies of the 90s did more harm than good for clients with complex trauma histories. So maybe instead of being too late for you it is just the right time.

[CaptainSensible]

Originally Posted by Amyjay

I don't believe it is ever too late to improve your own situation. Sure, you may not be able to heal as fully as you might have if you had been able to start therapy 20 years earlier... but then again maybe that isn't true either. 20 years earlier the therapy you may have been able to get would probably have been less helpful since research and study has given us much more knowledge about dissociative disorders and trauma treatment currently. My ex t told me that many DID patients from 20 -30 years ago are returning to treatment now and are finally able to get real help. Trauma therapy has come a long way in the last five years. My T said the talk therapies and "abreaction" therapies of the 90s did more harm than good for clients with complex trauma histories. So maybe instead of being too late for you it is just the right time.

That's interesting to hear, it gives me more confidence about giving professionals another go. I had someone identify my dissociative issues in the 90s, but not be very helpful about treatment. Then I had a lot of nurses and social workers be totally rejecting or ignorant of the phenomenon, so I've been really defensive with them since. I usually say I had a 'stressful' childhood, and leave it at that- but it's not helpful feeling I can't describe what's going on.

Originally Posted by Amyjay

I don't believe it is ever too late to improve your own situation. Sure, you may not be able to heal as fully as you might have if you had been able to start therapy 20 years earlier... but then again maybe that isn't true either. 20 years earlier the therapy you may have been able to get would probably have been less helpful since research and study has given us much more knowledge about dissociative disorders and trauma treatment currently. My ex t told me that many DID patients from 20 -30 years ago are returning to treatment now and are finally able to get real help. Trauma therapy has come a long way in the last five years. My T said the talk therapies and "abreaction" therapies of the 90s did more harm than good for clients with complex trauma histories. So maybe instead of being too late for you it is just the right time.

I feel hopeless.

[Open Eyes]

Amyjay is correct, the therapy of years ago really lacked when it came to really understanding the long term affects in someone who experienced childhood neglect and trauma. The therapy offered often was not helpful either, especially if a patient is experiencing flashbacks from their childhood and having so many emotional challenges from that time in their life surfacing that can get overwhelming.

A lot of research has gone into understanding the long term affects from childhood neglect and trauma, as well as treating children that are struggling because of neglect and trauma.

The anger and resentment and strong urges to share your own personal challenge and gradual recognition of how your history has had such a bad affect on you is actually something others can most definitely relate to experiencing. Here is a link that reflects how this challenge has actually been heard and the symptoms have been laid out where individuals have LISTENED and taken the time to identify the symptoms individuals experience because of abuse and neglect. So, while you have been struggling, individuals actually have been listening and researching this challenge.

Complex post traumatic stress disorder (complex ptsd, pdsd, shell shock, nervous shock, combat fatigue), symptoms and the difference between mental illness and psychiatric injury explained

[Fuzzybear]

[Michael W. Harris]

Originally Posted by Amyjay

I agree with RubyRae. trauma therapists have a really good understanding of the effects of early childhood trauma and their knowledge advances all the time due to sound research.
There is likely not much they can with the info you send them. Advancement in the field comes through research not anecdotal accounts. They wouldn't be able to help you either.
It might be more helpful to share that information with a professional face to face. is that a possibility for you?

Patient experiences are the only data that mental health professionals have to study mental illness. Patient experiences are the bread and butter of any scientific endeavor in the field of mental health. I do not know where you guys went to college, but to relate patient experiences to anecdotal accounts show a lack of understanding of scientific study. Collection of data is the first step in the scientific study of any subject. In mental health, data pertaining to the patient is the only data there is! Dr. Colin Ross talks about this in his book. He collected patient medical history, patient mental health history, home environment data, work environment data, patient alcohol abuse history, patient drug abuse history, etc. He wrote down everything that the patient told him about growing up in the family. If he could he interviewed parents and grand-parents and collected the same data on them. That is how he gained the knowledge to develop his theory that early childhood traumas caused multiple personality disorder.

To discount my experiences..., first the mental health professional totally is disrespecting me, but secondly it shows a total lack of professionalism and intelligence of scientific methods.

[Amyjay]

Is sharing this information with a professional face to face an option for you?

[phoenix7]

its never too late and they learn more and better ways to help as time goes on

[Michael W. Harris]

Originally Posted by Amyjay

Is sharing this information with a professional face to face an option for you?

I went to therapists, both psychologists and psychiatrists from 1992 until 1996 regularly. After 1996, I was hospitalized multiple times so I was forced to talk to them. Even in the clinical settings, if I stated that I had MPD, the therapists would not talk to me about it. ??????????