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alters and parts are they one and the same?
Ive read recently that they are different - that alters have their own personalities but parts dont they are just different aspects of yourself that you call up to help when needed - its very confusing I have blanks - i used to have conversations inside - recently someone made them quiet and then these things happened.... There has been silence or a long time now apart from the part of me that says bad things- now i am disassociating... each time worse than the last.... I went to an ATM to get money to pay my sister back what i borrowed from her and i realised later that i must have walked away without taking the money so there goes $50 i cant afford to lose the second one i apparently put my glasses in with someones washing at work ..... i dont remember - i remember having them - then they were gone the third time i almost pulled into a three lane traffic on a major road through a red light - but i realised - woke up? just before i hit the traffic..... what do you do if these things happen to you? this is the last two days and im afraid what will happen next.... I have no control over the blanks or when they happen.... so parts....alters.. the same or different... __________________ Its not how many times you fall down that counts its how many times you get back up! (Thanks to fenrir for my Picture ) When you have come to the edge of all light that you know and are about to drop off into the darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing One of two things will happen: There will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught to fly. by Patrick Overton, author and poet |
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here where I am alternate personalities ( abbreviated Alters) are where a persons whole personality has split apart due to extreme trauma at a very young age (NY state mental health standards before the age of 5) this can be part of many different mental disorders, the most common here where I am is DID, but it can also happen with other mental disorders depending upon the type of alters (dissociative, psychosis, medication induced, medical problem induced.... there are many different kinds of alters) parts here where I am just describes something that has many pieces.... example a normal personality has many pieces/ elements to it.... memories, emotions, id (unconscious / instincts, primitive behaviors) , ego (logic, conscious actions/ behaviors), superego (morals, knowing right from wrong....) theres more to it but this will give you an idea. here where I am it's believed that every human being has parts of their self that make up who and what they are (their personality) that said sometimes people with DID, me included here will use the term parts. my own alters were offended by the term alters, they did not consider their self substitutions. to them they were fully functioning human beings. they did not think in parts nor in alters. but I the body born thought of them as alters and parts of me. they took over when ever I dissociated. and they came from me, they were and are part of me. no one went away or died with integration. everything they were became me again... I was born one whole person then due to extreme traumatic abuse before the age of 5 everything I was and who I was split a part.... my emotion of anger of extreme trauma became Red, my fears became known as Rainy, my intimacy became Thelma. with integration I was able to experience and deal with anger, fears, intimacy.... see what I mean my alters didnt consider their self parts or alters ....but......I the body born used both terms because both terms fit my situation . my suggestion is talk with a mental health treatment provider, they will let you know if which one or both terms are used in your location and they can help you to discover which or both terms fit you and your internal system. |
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word from your post.....disassociation. here where I am we have two words that are almost spelled the same but are different but when reading online I notice some people use them to mean the same thing. here where I am .... disassociaiton ( pronounced dis association) is not doing something on purpose.....I disassociated the phone conversation (meaning I purposely stopped talking and hung up the phone) dissociation (no letter a after the letter s and pronounced dis-so- see - A- shon) is things like spacing out, feeling emotionally numb because something out of our control happened. example I dissociated last night at dinner... meaning I felt numb and spaced out last night at dinner. what tips me off on which word is meant online is re reading the post. in other words I put the word in context with the posters situation, if they mention a trigger and feeling numb and spaced out I know their word means my word dissociation. if the post says something to the affect that they purposely stopped something then I know they mean the other word. its a location thing with these two words (dis association and dissociation) my location treats them as meaning different things. your treatment provider can tell you whether these two words mean the same thing where you are or if they like mine use the official dictionary/ psychological definitions. |
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It depends on who you talk to I reckon. At least to me or us....it means the same thing.
It’s just a matter of word preference because I’ve noticed some like to use ‘parts’ and others ‘alters’. I’m partial to parts myself because ‘alters’ sounds so mentally ill. As far as dissociation skills...I live on the edge expecting it to happen at any given time. The moment I let my guard down.... Truth be known...life has taught us to not be surprised...deal with it on the fly....improvise.... or just play stupid till all the heavy **** quits flying. Sucks I know it....more to follow. |
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not sure of spelling maybe being absent is a good way to say it - having no knowledge of what happened in that time -
once though I was with my T and he asked me if i was ready to be better - i started laughing almost hysterically and said are you crazy? why are you soooooo serious this time it was like i was there sitting beside myself and my other self was laughing at him and all i could say was im sorry im sorry i dont know why i said that.... it was strange to feel myself sitting by myself lol yup i am crazy lol mostly though i do things and have no idea what i did or where i was - i call it "stepping away" there was abuse from a very young age - i dont remember - i see pics of me and i dont know who it was - i used to sing in two voices in my head - i called the other voice little bird - and i thought that was normal I wont go into the violence verbal and physical sexual abuse so i guess i call it stepping away .... __________________ Its not how many times you fall down that counts its how many times you get back up! (Thanks to fenrir for my Picture ) When you have come to the edge of all light that you know and are about to drop off into the darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing One of two things will happen: There will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught to fly. by Patrick Overton, author and poet |
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Hi, I don’t know, but parts seem so like singular in a way.. why alters are like crazy or something.
Idk...we have Others. They are not parts...we all live in this singleton like ship. It depends on your system....we aren’t parts....just....in. |
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I guess a name is just a name ...... parts ..alters...pieces of me that come when I need them or they think I need them - blank spaces in my life - but I survive and that's the thing that matters I guess
ty every one __________________ Its not how many times you fall down that counts its how many times you get back up! (Thanks to fenrir for my Picture ) When you have come to the edge of all light that you know and are about to drop off into the darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing One of two things will happen: There will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught to fly. by Patrick Overton, author and poet |
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I don't know...maybe it's not so important to have labels. If the docs need them, I really don't care. My tribe is who they are and it amuses
me that people believe they can imagine what the journey of a multiple is like. It's like saying you know what it's like to be a quadriplegic or terribly crippled. IF YOU DON'T LIVE THAT LIFE, YOU CAN NEVER COMPREHEND IT. So they can keep their labels. I will struggle for control as I have for 55 years. And I don't really understand that five year old age limit thing. Perhaps that poster can explain it to me? The main part of my abuse occurred when I was between the ages of ten and eighteen. I keep reading in here about all the new theories and the different types of DID and all the labels they want to slap on us. When they figure out how the brain pulls this trick off-then I'll listen. The truth is that the study of neurobiology is still in it's infancy. DID is still as much of a mystery as DNA. All I know is that after all these years I am still a survivor...and perhaps my tribe is responsible for that. __________________ "The life unexamined is not worth living." Plato "The arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Dr. Martin Luther King To Bambi, "You can call me Flower if you want to." |
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here in america mental health agencies and treatment providers have to keep files on everyone they treat. periodically they have to fill in forms that state questions like ... how many people they are treating, what mental disorders are being treated, how many being treated with each mental disorder when did that mental disorder begin they do not give identifying info like names and stuff like that. they send this info to government agencies, department of health and sometimes they will also notify department of motor vehicles if they have someone who may be a danger to others if they drive their vehicles. long story short the government takes this info and puts it together with all the other reports. this is called statistics / census taking. here where I am the statistics for .......reported.......cases of DID is that DID begins before the age of 5 years old, in children under the age of 5 who have gone through extreme trauma. you can find out what the mental health statistics are for your location by contacting your treatment provider or visiting your local library's reference department. tell the person at the main desk in the reference department you would like information on your locations mental health statistics for mental disorders. |
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The age of 5 thing sweety or 7 or whatever is like the age or time the child’s mind is fully integrated...becomes joined to form a singleton. We on the other hand, never had that luxury and hence are therefore forever prone to Dissociative tendencies.
Stupid trauma can happen like when the mother/child bond is broken or was never made...you won’t remeber this if this be the case. So for the rest of our life trauma, crisis, and abuse can create alters because memories are no longer able to be processed effectively....so it’s possible to do what you did....the alters didn’t emerge to later in life. You may have alters from previous times unknowns, dormant like....but the abuse is catastrophic and did the most damage. So, like me, we didn’t have a chance since the git go....regardless when the abuse happened. I hope that helps some hon. And oh, I’m terribly sorry that you experienced what you did when you did and that healings and peace can be yours. |
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this makes perfect sense - some did come out in later life - i only had one for many years - well maybe 2 - i used to sing in my head in two voices - but then i found out that wasnt "normal" so i shut up one voice - the problem is - i think that was the real me as i have very few memories - and i dont recognise the person in the childhood pics ive seen that im told is me so maybe the real me is gone and im the alt....... or one of the parts... many different aspects - parts of me have come out since - warrior - ghost - beast - littlebirdy - all have a purpose - all protect in different ways i am who and what i am - i dont need a label - im a mirror that shattered into different parts - each one put together makes the whole and thats enough I just wish the blanks would go away as they are annoying and sometimes dangerous .... but for now...and for many years ..i survive so its all good and its mainly when im super stressed or super tired i get the blanks ...sooo ty everyone for your thoughts and words and kindness __________________ Its not how many times you fall down that counts its how many times you get back up! (Thanks to fenrir for my Picture ) When you have come to the edge of all light that you know and are about to drop off into the darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing One of two things will happen: There will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught to fly. by Patrick Overton, author and poet |
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One of my protectors is getting this as a galavniazing way to become the evil one and not listen to her. So she has a team that is now using it agains the system, there is several intermittent quietness with our systems too. It is destablizing and she is deplorable prick and those who listen are chickens at best. It is way we haven't worked in one yr! Anyway this has lured everyone into a false sense of security that was recently exposed by a type of adjunct therapist we have blanks out the woozoo. She the evil wine about our need to know about intregration, this is a good example of what you don't want to share online and why it is a taboo topic. There is usually no support here then ur friends don't really give you manual on when we leave then it feels like our brain has shut down, a huge wake up call to say the least. There has to be several ways to support and get information or deem it a total lost maybe one day a miracle but right now just a cheap trick and not a way a leader should say I'm very stressed and at a lost.
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I think you have to go back to how you started to increase communication, ask questions a different way. Play association word games get folks too know new people putting yourselves out there in society videos is a good way. Asking inside what is happening is also a good idea. Leaders are a good way to requeest information find out what they have been reading into. Mine we're admaant at several replies from each like a rollerdexing because they were desperate at getting things out like data dumping in the beginning. It can indicate crisis's I've read, but if you experienced therapy abuse then it is the first choice before you get to therapist that can unravel if that is indeed possible.
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The term "parts" comes from the inner family systems model of therapy. I can't explain it how I'm thinking so I'll just tell you to Google it. It's a very fascinating approach.
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My (probably limited) understanding about it is when part of you "takes over" to help deal with a trauma and even after the traumas is over, something that reminds you of the traumas causes that part of you to take over again.
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