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Default Jun 09, 2019 at 08:47 PM
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How did I miss this conversation?

Murder is a rather specific behavior, and it would be nearly impossible to determine if someone is going to commit the very specific behavior of murder merely from a brain scan. There's a whole lot you could do with a psychopath's brain that doesn't amount to killing somebody. Many of those things are even pro-social. I've only spoken with a few psychopaths, but most of them didn't seem all that interested in murder.

People seem to be afraid of psychopaths because they lack the "inhibitions" that prevent most people from committing the act of murder, inhibitions such as empathy or remorse or squeamishness, or whatever else it is that keeps you normal folk from strangling your neighbors. What they fail to see is that it's not inhibition which keeps psychopaths from murdering people, but lack of desire. And it amuses me endlessly when so-called non-psychopaths go on about "needing inhibitions" as if they'd go on murder spree if I put one too many beers in them.

In which case, I tend to look at the person's beliefs about violence, regardless of their psychopathic traits. People who tend to glorify violence, to equate violence with power, are more likely to commit violent acts. And maybe inhibitions keep most of these people from acting on these beliefs most of the time (until they get into a drunken bar fight or something). So, following the idea of nature and nurture, a psychopath who glorifies violence is indeed a very dangerous creature. For rehabilitation, I wouldn't try to change the psychopathy. That's likely not possible as it's a part of their nature. I would instead address their glorification of violence.

Or maybe I don't really understand inhibitions or morality at all because I'm a psychopath.

I should probably put a trigger warning on this...
I've never seen empathy described as an inhibition before. I have to admit that made me smile. You think very differently from from me. Interesting

I'm not sure you need a trigger icon on a post in a thread about murder and the prison system...we aren't in Never-Never Land here
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Default Jun 09, 2019 at 08:52 PM
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There's a book: 'Confessions of a Sociopath: a life spent hiding in plain sight' if anyone is interested. I know, in modern thinking, that sociopathy and psychopathy are different but may still be of interest to some. I didn't make it too far through before it started to make me feel sad but I'd be willing to take another stab at it some time. No pun intended.
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Default Jun 09, 2019 at 09:17 PM
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I'm about 90% sure I worked with a psychopath at one point.
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Default Jun 09, 2019 at 09:28 PM
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One thing that interests me is problem-solving skills. I read research from a man who studied people living with psychopathy that their problem-solving skills are off the charts. They were given real-life scenarios and developed extremely creative and unusual ways of solving the problem. Ways that people living without psychopathy would never think of. That fascinates me.

Would you care to comment on that Theoretical?

Sorry if that seems to divert your thread AnnoyedGrunt. Give me a shout and I'll step off if you like. Sometimes rare and interesting discussions just pop up on these threads..
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Default Jun 09, 2019 at 09:34 PM
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"I tend to look at the person's beliefs about violence, regardless of their psychopathic traits. People who tend to glorify violence, to equate violence with power, are more likely to commit violent acts."

Very interesting point.

"a psychopath who glorifies violence is indeed a very dangerous creature"

So why might one psychopath glorify violence while another doesn't see the point...would you say that's for the same reasons as people who don't live with psychopathy?
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Default Jun 09, 2019 at 11:36 PM
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I read research from a man who studied people living with psychopathy that their problem-solving skills are off the charts.
Would you care to comment on that Theoretical?
I've heard similar things, and I do seem to figure things out a bit weirdly. I'll look into the topic and make a separate thread on it to see if/how psychopaths differ from the norm.

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So why might one psychopath glorify violence while another doesn't see the point...would you say that's for the same reasons as people who don't live with psychopathy?
I couldn't say for certain aside from it being environmental factors. If a person grew up in a society, neighborhood, social group or family which glorified violence, they likely would as well. I couldn't even say if psychopaths are more likely to accept society's messages about violence on account of they tend to be antisocial.

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I've never seen empathy described as an inhibition before.
How would you describe it?
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Default Jun 09, 2019 at 11:47 PM
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"How would you describe it?"

Good question. I know this answer is different for me than for some others because they have honestly told me so. For me, empathy is a force or sensory input in my body and mind which I often wish I could switch off. But I cannot. it is there whether I seek it or not. It is frequently described in society as some sort of gift or advantage but it doesn't feel that way to me. It's not an inhibition....it typically doesn't stop me from doing things....it is more likely to compel me to do things....even when I am exhausted and don't want to do anything. It is painful. Can be physically painful and sickening or even frightening at times. Makes me aware of things that others don't see or feel. Things I wish I could be unaware of....very unpleasant things. Makes me very successful while working with people but thwarts my ability to care for myself. I don't know if that makes much sense? It is hard to convey.
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"I tend to look at the person's beliefs about violence, regardless of their psychopathic traits. People who tend to glorify violence, to equate violence with power, are more likely to commit violent acts."

Very interesting point.

"a psychopath who glorifies violence is indeed a very dangerous creature"

So why might one psychopath glorify violence while another doesn't see the point...would you say that's for the same reasons as people who don't live with psychopathy?




A higher degree of sadism could also play a role. Having an inherent interest in violence and all.

I think sort of unrelated to your question as im not sure by glorifying violence you're also implying acts of violence. But sadistic psychopaths probably make up most murders caused by a psychopath. Non psychopathic sadists at least have quite a few emotions as well as logic that could deter them from comitting sadistic acts on unwilling victims. While sadistic psychopaths only have logic as a detterence, the risk/reward not being worth it. Yet, a psychopath, while succumbing to the impulse, could carry out acts intelligently, while another not so intelligent one is even more likely to act on their impulse. I'd imagine one would have to be extremely sadistic, given that there are consensual options out there that i assume are probably not enough.

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