[AngstyLady]

Watch Earthlings (2005) Online Free

Behind the scenes/hidden cameras teach you about what happens to pets and animals we eat (narrated by Joaquin Phoenix)- and there are often violations in so called 'kosher' meat facilities- so disturbing and sad- I wish we as a people could learn- if you eat meat- you have to watch this- I tried being a vegetarian before and couldn't do it because I like eating meat so much, but now I can't eat meat anymore after seeing this. These horrible atrocities should not continue to be allowed to occur. What's really disturbing is often animals throats are slit and then they are hoisted up, still bleeding and bleeding and writhing around to try and escape as thy are dragged away to be slaughtered alive. and poor veal- they get it the worst. Even pet animals and dogs are just disgarded like trash if theirs too many of them- not always humanely put down either- it's often cheaper to put them in tightly packed gas chambers! We're monsters to these poor fellow earthlings . ... .I barely got to the 30 minute mark - - - maybe I'll finish watching it another day . . . .

[evahis]

It is awful how we treat animals. That said, it is awful how we treat people too. Humans can be so cruel. I don't understand why. I eat meat and I am ashamed of how animal welfare is in some countries........I don't have a moral problem eating meat, I have seen animal rights videos as well, it doesn't make it right, not at all, but I am of the opinion that we should choose meat that has come from animals that have had a decent life, (ie free range eggs, not battery hen eggs ever) and have been killed humanely, ie stunned before having their throats cut. When you see animals writhing sometimes it is the electrical impulses in the body after death, and they are not conscious anymore and not feeling pain. I hope I don't offend any vegetarians with my post, I have the utmost respect for you to take such a stand. Sincerely

[guilloche]

I was a vegetarian for 20 years, and it was really *rotten* for my mental health. I had a ton of unshakeable depression, and was just a sad weepy mess.

It turns out, you need *protein* to make neurotransmitters. Specifically, you need the amino acid "tryptophan" to make seratonin! (I'm sure you use other amino acids to make other neurotransmitters).

I'm not saying don't be a vegetarian... I think it's a wonderful, kind, and honorable stance to take. If it weren't for my mental health issues (and if I thought I could continue with it and be healthy), I would absolutely still do it.

But, be smart and pay attention to your protein intake. And, keep on eye on your moods. And just be aware, that like with anything, there are risks. (I lost a lot of my life to depression, and I started my vegetarianism at 16 - so I feel like I missed out on a lot. Not because of the lack of meat, but because of the depression/mood issues that really hampered my life.)

I can't watch the video, but does it address small, local farms? You can often get meat there from animals that are cared for *much* better than commercial farms, AND that are healthier (i.e. better for you).

Good luck... and sorry, hope this isn't too pushy! It's just a bit of a sore spot for me, given my past, and the huge difference that bringing meat back into my diet has made.

i used to know a vegitarian

i don't argue with what she thinks, if that's her choice, then she's entitled to it

just don't think i could ever do it... partly because i really hate veg to start with

and the cruelty to animals topic... it's a tough one.

i can't stand animal abuse (like when their are abandoned cats and dogs etc etc)

but they have animals set aside for this type of thing don't they?

so isn't it diffrent?

[Pikku Myy]

I am pretty much a vegan much due to preferences I still love cheese, yogurt and eggs.. and every so often want a piece of real meat. Must have been over a year ago since I had my last burger.

[Sameer6]

Originally Posted by AngstyLady

Watch Earthlings (2005) Online Free

Behind the scenes/hidden cameras teach you about what happens to pets and animals we eat (narrated by Joaquin Phoenix)- and there are often violations in so called 'kosher' meat facilities- so disturbing and sad- I wish we as a people could learn- if you eat meat- you have to watch this- I tried being a vegetarian before and couldn't do it because I like eating meat so much, but now I can't eat meat anymore after seeing this. .

I have heard about that video but didn't saw it yet.However i have watched some horrible videos which was about 'skinning animals live' and my face reaction changed.When i saw it,i felt like that is the most horrible thing i have ever seen and who ever doing it are not humans.
I appreciate that you took the step to be vegetarian again.
For 5 and half months,i was a vegetarian and i felt kind of weak.When i go out,i eat stuff like cakes,burgers,sandwich,cold drinks..etc etc.I like them but in home,there is not much of anything that i eat ever since i quit meat.Also i started to eat very less.

Then i was chatting with a person in online and she says that being 'O' blood group,we have to eat meat or we will become sick. Mine is O negative.
I read that ------ (A person with O-negative blood group is a universal donor as O-negative blood can be transfused to any blood group.) I know about that..

So i searched as O blood group with diet / vegetarian and i read stuff from some sites.The first site i saw is this --- http://www.buzzle.com/articles/o-negative-blood-type-diet.html

In that link,there are different descriptions for different Blood types.For me,it is mentioned as 'Meat eater'. I don't believe in that much.

However in few other sites i read some O group people being vegetarians.In one of the post, some person is asking that he wants to be a vegetarian but can't able to stop eating meat.He asks if his body will be spoiled if he stops eating meat being O blood group.Some people responded to that.They said that blood group got nothing to do with diet and he has to maintain a proper vegetarian diet.

That is the problem i have because i can't get those different vegetables they are talking about.In a vegetarian family,they would make different veggie foods where as not all non vegetarians know to make different veggie foods including my mom.Here i eat the same 3 or 4 vegetables and nothing different.

When you search for any topic,you can see different opinions from some people and never the same.For example,drinking more water is good then again drinking more water is bad.
I don't know if Dr. James L. D'Adamo is right or those other people who mentioned as blood group got nothing to do with diet. But what i do know is that not all people are going to become sick when they turn to vegetarians but some can become sick.Unfortunately i was one of them.I felt weak in those 5 and half months when i was a vegetarian.One time even blood came from behind,it never happened before.I don't know what could be that reason. So combining that and what Dr. James L. D'Adamo said about O group have to eat meat,it appears like i have to eat meat to remain healthy.I don't know if i remain like this,i might become more weak.Of course not all human bodies are same.

This is a good statement from Dr. James L. D'Adamo --- (I believed that no two people on the face of the earth were alike; no two people have the same fingerprints, lip prints or voice prints. No two blades of grass or snowflakes are alike. Because I felt that all people were different from one another, I did not think it was logical that they should eat the same foods. It became clear to me that since each person was housed in a special body with different strengths, weaknesses and nutritional requirements, the only way to maintain health or cure illness was to accommodate to that particular patient's specific needs.)
But i don't know if he is right about the blood group and diet part.

When i told my mom that i'm going to eat meat again ,she was happy.Before when i said i am going to quit meat,she said your body will be spoiled and not felt good about it.She is not much educated,so anyway. I told her that i am not trying to make this decision after she told me too before many days,i am trying to make this decision after reading some stuff in web and most importantly of how my body feels.

My sister smiled hearing this because she is not the one who can control without eating meat.I told her i am not like her who can't control,if that was the case then i wouldn't have made it upto 5 and half months.She knows about that but i just said it because she might make fun that i can't able to control.It was embarrassing that i can't able to keep up the words to be a vegetarian.

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by shattered sanity

but they have animals set aside for this type of thing don't they?

so isn't it diffrent?

That is pretty naive. Consider that in various areas of the world different animals are considered in different ways.

Countries where Hinduism is common, it is considered taboo to eat beef. Cows are were considered a symbol of wealth in more ancient cultures, and therefore rarely eaten. Today, they are still considered a 'maternal' type of animal for their strong but gentle nature. They provide dairy to the family, and provide labour and/or transportation across difficult terrain.

Yet, in North America it is considered completely justified to confine a calf to a restrictive holding pen, preventing them from turning around, denying them iron in their diet, just so they can be slaughtered while young. Their meat is then called "Veal". It is a delicacy to many.

A Hindu person would call such a North American barbaric.

A North American might call someone who eats a dog barbaric, and yet it is a common meat substance in various areas of Africa and Southeast-Asia.

So, "setting aside" animals for slaughter and consumption is completely a societal construct. You need to be satisfied to yourself that you willingly accept the concept of a "food animal" is completely arbitrary.

My daughter became vegan after reading a book. I only know that it was descriptive.
Because of this, I won't watch or read anything about it.

Yes, it's an ostrich approach. I'm okay with that.

[AngstyLady]

Originally Posted by shattered sanity

i used to know a vegitarian

i don't argue with what she thinks, if that's her choice, then she's entitled to it

just don't think i could ever do it... partly because i really hate veg to start with

and the cruelty to animals topic... it's a tough one.

i can't stand animal abuse (like when their are abandoned cats and dogs etc etc)

but they have animals set aside for this type of thing don't they?

so isn't it diffrent?

But these animals that are 'set aside' for that sort of thing are still animals, they still breath and eat and have feelings. .. .

Originally Posted by AngstyLady

But these animals that are 'set aside' for that sort of thing are still animals, they still breath and eat and have feelings. .. .

but, these animals serve their purpose- and i know it's a really hard thing to hear.

i just don't see it in the same way as someone abandoning a cat or dog. (or indeed any animal)

[AngstyLady]

Originally Posted by shattered sanity

but, these animals serve their purpose- and i know it's a really hard thing to hear.

i just don't see it in the same way as someone abandoning a cat or dog. (or indeed any animal)

You don't understand because you have been desensitized to the suffering of non pet animals. I'm sure you wouldn't feel the same way if you were on the way to be slaughtered for food for another animal more intelligent and in control of your every movement, thus 'serving your purpose"?

[eskielover]

Not changing the subject.....but in reading the comments it made me stop & think about how interesting it is that we are so worried about how badly the animals are treated when used for food & when pets are abused & then we turn around & destroy our own babies when it's been proven that they feel pain even in the womb & then they are dumped in garbage cans.......claiming it's our "pro choice" right to do it most of the time, given the statistics, because they are a bother to our lives & will get in the way.

How hypocritical we have become as humans we don't place the same caring thought on ALL LIFE.

You don't understand because you have been desensitized to the suffering of non pet animals.

That isn't the only thing that we have been desensitized to.

Originally Posted by eskielover

Not changing the subject.....but in reading the comments it made me stop & think about how interesting it is that we are so worried about how badly the animals are treated when used for food & when pets are abused & then we turn around & destroy our own babies when it's been proven that they feel pain even in the womb & then they are dumped in garbage cans.......claiming it's our "pro choice" right to do it most of the time, given the statistics, because they are a bother to our lives & will get in the way.

How hypocritical we have become as humans we don't place the same caring thought on ALL LIFE.
That isn't the only thing that we have been desensitized to.

Not everyone believes that the term "babies" is accurate. It most certainly is emotionally charged.
This is a polarizing discussion that's been going on for many decades. I don't think that anyone will change anyone's position here.

I think we all go through a process of desensitization in life....it's part of living. Whether it's forced on us or we choose it.

Just my opinion.

[AngstyLady]

[QUOTE=eskielover;4229743]Not changing the subject.....

Very true. There are too many thoughtless people in the world- I'm getting to be on overload lately thinking of all the bad things that go on in the world- whether human or animal rights related, polution (polluting industries, continued use of gas fueled cars and the smog that causes, etc) I'm getting really frustrated with not being able to change and then seeing all these dumb people on tv and the internet who seemingly don't give a **** driving around in their huge SUV's raising more kids to continue the ignorant, pollutive cycle and I think, "we are doomed"

[Almeera]

Very true. There are too many thoughtless people in the world- I'm getting to be on overload lately thinking of all the bad things that go on in the world- whether human or animal rights related, polution (polluting industries, continued use of gas fueled cars and the smog that causes, etc) I'm getting really frustrated with not being able to change and then seeing all these dumb people on tv and the internet who seemingly don't give a **** driving around in their huge SUV's raising more kids to continue the ignorant, pollutive cycle and I think, "we are doomed"

At some point, you have to draw a line. You can't keep taking in all the world's wrongs - it'll only destroy you. (I know because I've done it too... a lot, to the point where I wanted to do something stupid [youknowwhatImean] rather than keep living in such a rotten world like this). But that wouldn't have helped anyone, least of all me.

We're living in an era of information overload, so it's easy to get lost in it and feel powerless. I'd rather everyone started doing something to make a positive impact in the world around them and inspire others by example. Doing small things helps, because they add up in the long run. You'll never be able to stop McDonald's by yourself (random example I feel very strongly about), but if enough people stop eating there, their profits will go down and eventually they'll go away. (I dream of the day the McD's in my neighborhood will close).

[ForeverLonelyGirl]

Are humans designed to eat meat? - Oh My Raw! | Oh My Raw!

Interesting article on the choice to not eat meat

And four good reasons to become a vegan

Four reasons why people become vegetarian - NaturalNews.com

I am not vegan yet. I think that everyone is certainly entitled to their own ideology and it's not really very "caring" to attack others that do not share your point of view. Just saying...

[Terabithia]

My husband is a truck driver and for two years we rode together across the country. The company he worked for delivered and picked up frozen meat products from places like Tysons. The smell at these plants was horrendous, and I saw things that made me so frustrated, because I was helpless to do anything. I was a vegetarian for a while and I stopped eating chicken for two years, but after being away from it for a while I became immune to it, and when I broke down and had KFC's fried chicken I thoroughly enjoyed it and was thoroughly disgusted with myself for it. I continue to eat meat, while with every bite cursing myself. Our society knows what's taking place. Is there something in the food that is addictive. What is wrong with us. It's hard to think of myself as an inhumane person, but I must be. Like others who have posted, I do think there are places to buy meat in which the animals are treated and killed humanely, as possible, and I'm not sure I have a problem with buying meat from these places.

[eskielover]

Along the lines......we think our vegetables are safe???? What about all the GMO information & the insecticide that they develop as part of the seed that grows as part of the plants that we end up eating. Even your vegetarian diet isn't healthy or safe.
GMO information

Is there ANYTHING that they have dumped on us in this country that is really safe to eat any longer......it's been shown that all the processed foods & the crap that they put into them especially all the high fructose additives put into almost EVERY food....is it any wonder that the amount of diabetes has gone sky high....if the tendency was there in the body in the first place....the food will just send it over the edge.

The more I read about what they are doing to ALL the foods we are provided to eat, the worse my anorexia issues become...something that was always triggered in me by stress in the first place. I'm glad that I live on a farm & all my neighbors have huge farms.......but raising our own food & getting it from the local farmer's market is a wonderful experience for me

[ForeverLonelyGirl]

Originally Posted by eskielover

Along the lines......we think our vegetables are safe???? What about all the GMO information & the insecticide that they develop as part of the seed that grows as part of the plants that we end up eating. Even your vegetarian diet isn't healthy or safe.
GMO information

Is there ANYTHING that they have dumped on us in this country that is really safe to eat any longer......it's been shown that all the processed foods & the crap that they put into them especially all the high fructose additives put into almost EVERY food....is it any wonder that the amount of diabetes has gone sky high....if the tendency was there in the body in the first place....the food will just send it over the edge.

The more I read about what they are doing to ALL the foods we are provided to eat, the worse my anorexia issues become...something that was always triggered in me by stress in the first place. I'm glad that I live on a farm & all my neighbors have huge farms.......but raising our own food & getting it from the local farmer's market is a wonderful experience for me

Here here! I am with you. That is awesome that you have access to such wonderful veggies and fruit! I am totes jealous... ha ha silly me. Seriously I am. I have only recently become totally in love with an open air market nearby. Sadly that is the only access that I have to anything that may not be GMO.

I feel guilty for eating meat but cannot go the all veggies route, my system would not handle so much fiber too well if you get my meaning. I have taken the attitude towards the processed food that "oh well, don't have much choice here" and say the hell with it and eat it. I watch my grandchildren eat so much junk. Kids that are not made to eat good food from the beginning just refuse to take a bite of anything that is not macaroni and cheese. That is another issue that I have with the daughters in law! How much can you say without offending? I think I have made my feelings well known.

I do steer away from the processed sandwich meats, canned meats except tuna or salmon, and most of the time bacon and sausage. People that consistently each processed foods, fast foods or pre-packaged frozen dinners. They don't seem to care what kind of crap they put in their bodies, or their children's for that matter!!!


Where is the emoticon for getting on a soapbox??? Could have used it here!

One more thing...I can hardly afford to buy the labeled products in the store that are organic and non GMO. I do try to if I can, but they are about 400% higher. Being that I have to eat gluten free, I do end up eating healthier a lot more than previously.

[eskielover]

ForeverLonelyGirl ......this is for you....my favorite emoticon use it quite often

I have friends who butcher their own cattle so I get quality meat. They do as organic as they can without all the redtape & paperwork that is required to get the label. There are also local butcher shops around where we can get totally fresh meat & they aren't selling us meat that has tumors they cut out.

OMGosh.....I put this post on FB when I read about how the meat inspectors were Oking tumourous meats....my poor daughter. I didn't realize how squimish she still is at 36....but she told me never to post pictures like that again because she was having the dry heaves from seeing it....(I agree with her actually it was totally disgusting....that was the point....make people disgusted with the reality so we start to FIGHT BACK & refuse to go along with the crap they are forcing us to accept.

I know the quality of meat that is bread & raised locally & especially by my own friends. I also go to Trader Joe's when I have a Dr's appointment in Lexington. They have bacon & hot dogs that is not processed with nitraites only what is natural in the celery juice....also hot dogs aren't made with by-products. I don't even like to buy dog food for my eskies that have byproducts in them.

I don't eat a lot & it's only me, so I can afford to buy the little better products.

When I first had my daughter I made her own babyfood because I didn't think even back in the late 70's that the quality was any good.

This last fall, I actually harvested the wild persimmons out at the farm when we do trail riding. I made pounds of pulp out of it & am enjoying wonderful cookies & persimmon pudding. I also got started using pauline's baking mix. It's gluten free & has everything that needs to be mixed together to make it work rather than having to find all the additives myself. I have several friends who have to eat gluten free. I actually loved the persimmon cookies made gluten free better than with the normal flour.

Another friend gave me a huge bag full of butternut squash & a huge cushaw squash. I baked them & made soup out of the butternut & made the cushaw into pulp that I make into wonderful pies. I love them better than pumpkin....milder & better flavor.

When I was an engineer, I didn't have the time to be healthy but tried to eat as healthy as possible & basically worked out playing racquetball with the guys at lunch rather than eat. I quit cooking all together when my engineering career ended & depression hit.

Now I'm getting back to my NORMAL self after almost 20 years & now that I own my own farm & am far from those previous stressors. I spend a lot of time on the internet finding recipes that sound wonderful to try then I put the best parts of them all together & come up with really good meals.

But the more I'm on the internet the more information I find on GMO's & how the inspections are being lightened up & letting all kinds of things slide by. I always wondered why about the junk they put in processed foods & refused to buy anything with MSG to start with.....then I started getting more & more picky for myself.....glad I was picky for my daughter from the start.......they are proving that all the food alergies & all the alergies in general along with fibro & other inflimations inside our body come from the foods we eat & how they react to some people's bodies.

While I find in interesting that organic milk will last up to 2 months without spoiling while the processed milk is usually spoiled by it's use by date. I know if I had to buy food for more than just myself I couldn't/wouldn't afford the quality that I splurge on for just me.....I have upped my quality over the last few years also & I don't like buying the microwaveable dinners.....I have found one that is pure quality & that's an eggplant Parmesan that I could live on......there is nothing like fresh home grown tomatoes....their flavor is beyond anything purchased in the store. I didn't have success with my cucumbers last summer but I can live on this cucumber salad recipe that I found. I make it constantly even during the winter.....& I love salads....but have to be careful on the lettuce & the insecticides they use. You know that they are going to have an effect on our bodies....so even vegitarians HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. It's not just meat that is causing the problems in our food sources any longer.

[AngstyLady]

All life is precious,
We all deserve happiness.
Heavy is my heart.

(I will add this Haiku to the creative corner)

[ForeverLonelyGirl]

Originally Posted by eskielover

ForeverLonelyGirl ......this is for you....my favorite emoticon use it quite often

I have friends who butcher their own cattle so I get quality meat. They do as organic as they can without all the redtape & paperwork that is required to get the label. There are also local butcher shops around where we can get totally fresh meat & they aren't selling us meat that has tumors they cut out.

OMGosh.....I put this post on FB when I read about how the meat inspectors were Oking tumourous meats....my poor daughter. I didn't realize how squimish she still is at 36....but she told me never to post pictures like that again because she was having the dry heaves from seeing it....(I agree with her actually it was totally disgusting....that was the point....make people disgusted with the reality so we start to FIGHT BACK & refuse to go along with the crap they are forcing us to accept.

I know the quality of meat that is bread & raised locally & especially by my own friends. I also go to Trader Joe's when I have a Dr's appointment in Lexington. They have bacon & hot dogs that is not processed with nitraites only what is natural in the celery juice....also hot dogs aren't made with by-products. I don't even like to buy dog food for my eskies that have byproducts in them.

I don't eat a lot & it's only me, so I can afford to buy the little better products.

When I first had my daughter I made her own babyfood because I didn't think even back in the late 70's that the quality was any good.

This last fall, I actually harvested the wild persimmons out at the farm when we do trail riding. I made pounds of pulp out of it & am enjoying wonderful cookies & persimmon pudding. I also got started using pauline's baking mix. It's gluten free & has everything that needs to be mixed together to make it work rather than having to find all the additives myself. I have several friends who have to eat gluten free. I actually loved the persimmon cookies made gluten free better than with the normal flour.

Another friend gave me a huge bag full of butternut squash & a huge cushaw squash. I baked them & made soup out of the butternut & made the cushaw into pulp that I make into wonderful pies. I love them better than pumpkin....milder & better flavor.

When I was an engineer, I didn't have the time to be healthy but tried to eat as healthy as possible & basically worked out playing racquetball with the guys at lunch rather than eat. I quit cooking all together when my engineering career ended & depression hit.

Now I'm getting back to my NORMAL self after almost 20 years & now that I own my own farm & am far from those previous stressors. I spend a lot of time on the internet finding recipes that sound wonderful to try then I put the best parts of them all together & come up with really good meals.

But the more I'm on the internet the more information I find on GMO's & how the inspections are being lightened up & letting all kinds of things slide by. I always wondered why about the junk they put in processed foods & refused to buy anything with MSG to start with.....then I started getting more & more picky for myself.....glad I was picky for my daughter from the start.......they are proving that all the food alergies & all the alergies in general along with fibro & other inflimations inside our body come from the foods we eat & how they react to some people's bodies.

While I find in interesting that organic milk will last up to 2 months without spoiling while the processed milk is usually spoiled by it's use by date. I know if I had to buy food for more than just myself I couldn't/wouldn't afford the quality that I splurge on for just me.....I have upped my quality over the last few years also & I don't like buying the microwaveable dinners.....I have found one that is pure quality & that's an eggplant Parmesan that I could live on......there is nothing like fresh home grown tomatoes....their flavor is beyond anything purchased in the store. I didn't have success with my cucumbers last summer but I can live on this cucumber salad recipe that I found. I make it constantly even during the winter.....& I love salads....but have to be careful on the lettuce & the insecticides they use. You know that they are going to have an effect on our bodies....so even vegitarians HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. It's not just meat that is causing the problems in our food sources any longer.

Now I am beyond jealous of the things that you are able to obtain and make for yourself. Reminds me that I need to try a little harder! Home grown tomatoes! Drool!!! Cucumber salad, yum.

Yeah, I don't bother most of the time to get the crap at the local chain grocery store, such as cucumbers and tomatoes, they taste like manufactured junk or mush! And thanks for this emoticon, I'm not sure how to save it though.

Once I read about McDonald's chicken nuggets...ugh, don't faint. They are mostly chicken fat and cartilage! Two of my grandchildren were fed these a LOT and now the 13 year old granddaughter is overweight. Awesome mom ...and I would have better luck trying to convince a tiger at the zoo to be friendly than to tell her to start feeding her children better. Ha! The other mom is much better but still feds them crap like lunchables, processed mac and cheese all the time. I just cringe. Oh and ramen noodles. Really junk.

I can get whole organic milk at the open air market but it is way higher and full fat milk. It is too rich for me. I do use butter rather than margarine, no hydrogenated crap anymore but it seems I have gained weight since trying to improve what I eat.

I wish that trying to eat better was not so expensive and so difficult. Maybe I am just lazy. I guess I can get off my soapbox now.

Thanks so much for all that info above, what a crazy messed up world we live in!