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I finished up the lesson on the perfect tense and forming the plast principal of verbs. One of the verbs used was "sein", but it didn't give any example sentence actually using the word "sein", so now I'm confused on how it's supposed to be used, or if it is actually used in sentences at all. Everything else was okay and I got it the best I could, but how "sein" is used confused me.
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Oof, at the risk of... interfering with the book, but that's another of the topics I enjoy.
The equivalent of the use of "sein" ("to be") in English isn't completely unknown or hasn't disappeared. The most common expression would be "something is gone". Well, with a certain meaning it's just an adjective, and when you want to be more specific, you can, of course, say "something has gone". But there's still traces of the present perfect being expressed there. Oh, yeah, so I have to defer to my own grammar book, according to which (well, I know it myself, but rather implicitly), perfect tenses are used with "sein" when it has to do with movement or transformation (plus some special cases, like "bleiben", "passieren"): "ich bin gekommen" - "I have come", "Was ist passiert?" - "What has happened?", "Er ist gestorben" - "He has died". __________________ Social anxiety and possible Aspergers (undiagnosed, but it helps to let you know to more quickly find a common ground). Life is a journey without a destination. |
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Oh, yeah, Duolingo also suddenly decided to start reviewing my submissions (I don't even know if that still exists) as to additional correct translations of their sentences. I'm pretty sure it's for a course I completed at least 3 years ago (Spanish)... I mean, better late than never, but their "please keep it up" has never been more futile... Actually, 4 years ago... I feel old... Oh how recently did Spanish feel like a hip new thing...
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Anyway that makes more sense, I just got confused because the word "sein" wasn't used, but other verbs were instead. Like today the lesson was the simple past tense and again the example word was "sein", but the table showing the -ich, -du, -wir, -Sie, -ihr forms used the words "war", "waren", "wart", and "warst", so again it isn't using the word "sein" but other verbs. Also "wart" is translating to "serviceable", but in the context the book was using it in I think it means "were", though I may be wrong. __________________ Wir sind was wir sind English We are what we are MDD w/psychotic features, BPD |
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Woo! Congrats!
At least for me completing a course was a big occasion... which is to say, I shared it on all the (few) social media I could. ... I mean, there should have been "lessons" on tenses, articles and conjugations on Duolingo. What's going on? The book also should have said that "sein" is conjugated differently for almost each pronoun, in the present and simple past. (Kind of like the English "to be", but even more.) So those weren't different verbs, but different forms. "Wart" is for the familiar second person plural... I don't know how you're getting on with this concept. Well, if you recall at all, Spanish also has this, with "vosotros"... Although in many varieties that's going away. Which, on a related note, I find pretty interesting, because German and Spanish are the only languages that preserve this form of address. English has all second person pronouns collapsed into "you", of course. French, Russian, Polish, Dutch... and Welsh only distinguish between the singular and the plural/polite. __________________ Social anxiety and possible Aspergers (undiagnosed, but it helps to let you know to more quickly find a common ground). Life is a journey without a destination. |
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I know this is still not particularly relevant to you, but it sucks when you forget 10 flashcards in a session. And I know why that is. Flashcards on their own are not enough, which, I guess, is a pretty depressing fact... First, you have to know how to use them. Simply writing the word on one side and the definition on the other, at least for me, is just trying to associate a meaningless string of letters with a little more meaningful one. What I've been doing is writing a word on one side and example sentences with it on the other... But it still doesn't always work, perhaps depending on how meaningful the sentences I've been able to find are.
I feel the best about my chances to remember a word, if it keeps coming up in my memory randomly, because for whatever reason I've become fascinated by it. I imagine it's the way toddlers learn new words, by getting fascinated by them and repeating them a lot. So in addition to the flashcards program, today I've also written the new words down on paper so I can glance at them throughout the day. It doesn't correspond exactly to the above idea, but it's the best I can come up with. It probably sounds a little bit ridiculous, but I really want to improve. __________________ Social anxiety and possible Aspergers (undiagnosed, but it helps to let you know to more quickly find a common ground). Life is a journey without a destination. |
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Thanks for explaining "sein" better, now I think I understand it more. And thanks for explain "wart" to me, that helps a lot. Amd no I don't recall learning about "vosotros" in my Spanish class, maybe we covered it, I can't remember. __________________ Wir sind was wir sind English We are what we are MDD w/psychotic features, BPD |
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Today's lesson was on the future tense, which I guess isn't used a lot in German, it said that most things can be written/explained/spoken in the present tense, but you can still use the future tense for things too. It gave the example verb "werden", and gave a table with the verb in different forms, ich werde, du wirst, Sie werden, wir werden, er/sie/es wird, and ihr werdet. This wasn't too confusing, but the example sentences are translating werde/werden/wird to going, example; "Es wird regnen", "It's going to rain". So how is werden/werde/wird translating to going when the translations are will or become according to the book and Google translate? Just wondering.
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I may actually be out of my depth here. But I do agree, it sounds pretty awkward to translate "Es wird regnen" to "It will rain." I mean, in German it's a simple statement, like you might encounter in a forecast, but in English it's more of a gloomy prophecy... Or maybe I'm imagining things. You kind of stare at subtle nuances for a while and stop seeing them. In any case, I wish books like yours would stop with "this thing is barely used anymore" when it's actually alive and kicking... I mean, maybe they've counted and "werden" is in statistical decline, but if you ask any native speaker, no one is going to be surprised and not know what to do with it. I would say, though, that often sentences with "will" in English might be better expressed in the present tense in German, and German sentences with "werden" - with "going to" in English. But it's a matter of nuance that can disappear if you stare at it too long. Except that it's kind of a translating standard, so you don't forget it that easily. Yeah, I think that's my take on it. And it's really hard to think of examples that translate "will" to "werden", at least in a natural manner. __________________ Social anxiety and possible Aspergers (undiagnosed, but it helps to let you know to more quickly find a common ground). Life is a journey without a destination. |
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One more thing on "sein" that translates to "to be" but Doulingo keeps translating it to "his" it's kind of weird and confusing and I don't know Google translate is even translating "sein" to "be", so is Duolingo wrong? __________________ Wir sind was wir sind English We are what we are MDD w/psychotic features, BPD |
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A little update on Duolingo, it didn't take away the matching portion, it just doesn't use it in certain topics/lessons. I like the matching words as it helped with memorization.
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I mean, Google is probably doing its best with limited context. Which makes me wonder why you're using it, instead of, well, whatever proper dictionary is available to you. Such as wiktionary... Or, well, glosbe, actually. No, scratch that. Glosbe lumps everything into one big incomprehensible pile (I mostly use it for example sentences nowadays). I've also got Collins bookmarked, although I don't use it (simply because I've got a million different dictionaries bookmarked). But its page on "sein" is pretty comprehensive (if you don't miss the two superscripts at the top of the page for two meanings). __________________ Social anxiety and possible Aspergers (undiagnosed, but it helps to let you know to more quickly find a common ground). Life is a journey without a destination. |
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I've realized today that I've actually barely ever heard music in German. You must be really a bigger music fan than I am... Well, I've heard bands from Germany, such as the Scorpions, but they sang (sing?) in English.
Somehow I missed both German and French music. But caught a bit of Spanish, and now Welsh (well, I've really got only a single song each favorited on Google play). I, of course, wouldn't mind listening to music in any of those languages, but the omnipresent Google values much more giving me familiar stuff or universally popular songs. __________________ Social anxiety and possible Aspergers (undiagnosed, but it helps to let you know to more quickly find a common ground). Life is a journey without a destination. |
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