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Default Jun 02, 2018 at 04:46 PM
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Yeah, I get the feeling that at this point I'm doing about as well with just looking up my grammatical questions and issues for Welsh, as you with a book + Duolingo for German. Quite honestly, I don't think I've come across anything that I didn't manage to figure out quite thoroughly, and just today I've defeated a construction where a subordinate sentence starting with "the reason why" for some reason continues with a definite article... Well, I guess you can't say I solved it thoroughly, but based on my research that's just how you form sentences like that.

Although I only manage to get through a sentence or two a day... Well, on the other hand, it can take me up to half an hour... I guess there's pros and cons to everything.

However... yeah, at least for Welsh, so far freeform browsing of the internet has performed much better than what I remember of textbooks for previous languages. I feel more motivated, I understand things better... And yeah, I may get frustrated, but I'm never bored, which has often happened with textbooks. But I may be at the right time (not the place, of course). I can imagine that only a couple years ago Internet resources might have been much more sparse... And of course, there's a certain allure to a well put-together textbook. Which extends to bragging material if you've got friends coming over. Proudly displaying Internet bookmarks doesn't really make a lot of sense.
My book is basically for basic things, it's not too in dept (though it has over 300 pages), but it's good for beginning things. Right now I'm on the telling time lesson, and we here in the U.S. only use the 12hr time system, and we break that up into am/pm to avoid misunderstanding, but (and I don't knpw if it's like this for other European countries as well), Germany hses both the 12hr and 24hr time systems, so the book will teach how to tell/ask the time in both systems. I just started the lesson though so I don't know how long it is or anything.

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A new word that I'm learning with an entire video devoted to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgLlfSpCJJE

I think now I understand.
Well that was an interesting video.

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My book is basically for basic things, it's not too in dept (though it has over 300 pages), but it's good for beginning things. Right now I'm on the telling time lesson, and we here in the U.S. only use the 12hr time system, and we break that up into am/pm to avoid misunderstanding, but (and I don't knpw if it's like this for other European countries as well), Germany hses both the 12hr and 24hr time systems, so the book will teach how to tell/ask the time in both systems. I just started the lesson though so I don't know how long it is or anything.
I suppose there's some nuances. Although the time-related topic I find the most vexing in foreign languages is telling the year. I mean, yesterday I think I spent at least half an hour on that, with the single Welsh sentence I managed to figure out... It's less dire with German since at least it uses a single numbering system (as opposed to, you could say, 3 different ones in Welsh). And is, indeed, relatively similar to English. Especially with words for "thousand" and "hundred", of which it similarly tends to avoid the "thousand", as I've come to think simply a cumbersome word to pronounce.

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Okay, so I wanted to post another video by this guy, which deals with German, but this one kind of seems to summarize the points I want better: https://youtu.be/61Kk7VkoWbc It's about Latin, and if that immediately turns you off, in short he emphasizes the idea that mastery of a language is directly proportional to the amount of exposure to it... And also has little to do with its quality. Which, on the one hand, goes against your approach of trying to understand everything your book presents, but also against mine of surmounting one sentence every day... He also repeatedly recommends reading bilingual texts, which...

Well, I suppose I know where to get some bilingual texts in Welsh, for free. But...

No, of course he's right. I suppose my current method is like his deconstructing of Latin grammar... Sigh, how I yearn back to the simpler times of starting to learn Polish, when I had a perfect goal and materials. Quite frankly, deconstructing Welsh grammar has simply been more appealing than actually reading anything in the language.

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Actually, watching that guy's videos has made me really anxious. I don't think I'll be paying much attention to his advice... There's nothing wrong with it, but I think his tone takes me back to some really traumatic experiences at the start of my study of German... You don't have to be worried, though - it had nothing to do with the language itself, but with the company in which I was doing it. And my own mental state, I suppose.

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I suppose there's some nuances. Although the time-related topic I find the most vexing in foreign languages is telling the year. I mean, yesterday I think I spent at least half an hour on that, with the single Welsh sentence I managed to figure out... It's less dire with German since at least it uses a single numbering system (as opposed to, you could say, 3 different ones in Welsh). And is, indeed, relatively similar to English. Especially with words for "thousand" and "hundred", of which it similarly tends to avoid the "thousand", as I've come to think simply a cumbersome word to pronounce.
I haven't gotten far enough to even start to learn how to say the year in German. I still have to learn to count past 100.

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Okay, so I wanted to post another video by this guy, which deals with German, but this one kind of seems to summarize the points I want better: https://youtu.be/61Kk7VkoWbc It's about Latin, and if that immediately turns you off, in short he emphasizes the idea that mastery of a language is directly proportional to the amount of exposure to it... And also has little to do with its quality. Which, on the one hand, goes against your approach of trying to understand everything your book presents, but also against mine of surmounting one sentence every day... He also repeatedly recommends reading bilingual texts, which...

Well, I suppose I know where to get some bilingual texts in Welsh, for free. But...

No, of course he's right. I suppose my current method is like his deconstructing of Latin grammar... Sigh, how I yearn back to the simpler times of starting to learn Polish, when I had a perfect goal and materials. Quite frankly, deconstructing Welsh grammar has simply been more appealing than actually reading anything in the language.
I know I'm not going about learning German the correct way (though I'm not sure what the correct way would be ultimately). I know I need better materials though, but that's a totally different issue. Right now I'm not making as much progress as I want to because I kind of crashed recently and lost all motivation to do anything.

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Ich weiß nicht, ob das wird helfen, aber vielleicht kriegst du ein bisschen Motivation, wenn ich hier nur Deutsch schreibe. Ich glaube, du kannst sagen, ob du das verstanden hast.

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Ich weiß nicht, ob das wird helfen, aber vielleicht kriegst du ein bisschen Motivation, wenn ich hier nur Deutsch schreibe. Ich glaube, du kannst sagen, ob du das verstanden hast.
Hey, I guess it helped to see a post only in German, I had to use Google translate to understand most of it though.

Dative pronouns on Duolingo, that was confusing, the book only gave one example of a dative pronoun so I'm not very well prepared to completely understand them. Arrg...

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Ich weiße nicht, warum du sie brauchst. Auf jeden Fall, sie sind "mir, dir, ihm, ihr, uns, euch, Ihnen, ihnen"... Und ein Beispiel (oder mehrere) wird dir nicht helfen. Es gibt keine einfache Erklärung für wie man sie benutzt. Als ein Beispiel, "helfen" benutzt man mit dem Dativ. Warum? Weil man tut es.

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Ich weiße nicht, warum du sie brauchst. Auf jeden Fall, sie sind "mir, dir, ihm, ihr, uns, euch, Ihnen, ihnen"... Und ein Beispiel (oder mehrere) wird dir nicht helfen. Es gibt keine einfache Erklärung für wie man sie benutzt. Als ein Beispiel, "helfen" benutzt man mit dem Dativ. Warum? Weil man tut es.
Oh, okay. It was just one of those moments where I wanted to bang my head against a wall, that was all.

This week I haven't had a chance to work out of the book because I've been busy all week. Had to stay at my Dads for 3 days and forgot my book, so I'll start back up in it tomorrow.

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This is actually really hard. Not only do I not have a perfect grasp of German, but I'm also trying not to overwhelm you with... difficult stuff. Wir sollten doch nicht aufgeben!

Ich bin mit dem Mann im lateinischen Video derselber Meinung (of the same opinion): wenn dein Buch nicht zumindest (at least) so viel Deutsch als Englisch enthält (contains), verschwindet (wastes) es deine Zeit. Imitation ist ein der wichtigsten Teile (parts) des Sprachenlernen, und dafür muss man genug (enough) Beispiele (examples) haben zum Imitieren.

Meinerseits (as for me) habe ich gerade (just now) Englisch und Russisch von meinen Google Einstellungen (settings) entfernt (removed). Unglücklicherweise (unfortunately, from Glück - "luck") gibt es keine Option um Walisisch (Welsh, as I've just learned) hinzufügen (add)... Aber es ist doch ziemlich spannend (exciting) - die Sicherheit (safety, security) meiner Regionsprache und die der lingua franca zu verlassen (leave).

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This is actually really hard. Not only do I not have a perfect grasp of German, but I'm also trying not to overwhelm you with... difficult stuff. Wir sollten doch nicht aufgeben!

Ich bin mit dem Mann im lateinischen Video derselber Meinung (of the same opinion): wenn dein Buch nicht zumindest (at least) so viel Deutsch als Englisch enthält (contains), verschwindet (wastes) es deine Zeit. Imitation ist ein der wichtigsten Teile (parts) des Sprachenlernen, und dafür muss man genug (enough) Beispiele (examples) haben zum Imitieren.

Meinerseits (as for me) habe ich gerade (just now) Englisch und Russisch von meinen Google Einstellungen (settings) entfernt (removed). Unglücklicherweise (unfortunately, from Glück - "luck") gibt es keine Option um Walisisch (Welsh, as I've just learned) hinzufügen (add)... Aber es ist doch ziemlich spannend (exciting) - die Sicherheit (safety, security) meiner Regionsprache und die der lingua franca zu verlassen (leave).
My book so far contains more English than German, but that may change as I get further into it. I think it is made for more basic beginner information than getting a real grasp on the language though. I hope I'm not wasting my time with this book.

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You are confusing Celtic with Gaelic

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I thought Irish was Celtic?
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You know what, I don't think I actually like the sound of Celtic languages. The writing tickles me, but actually listening is kind of meh... Or maybe I've just been very busy trying to disenchant myself... One of the problems that sort of happened to me

Aaaanyway, in order to sort out this particular question of sound, I've been looking at this particular Youtube channel: Wikitongues - YouTube I've suddenly discovered that I kind of enjoy the sound of Portuguese.
A really cool sounding language is Māori. Example: Natinati means trail mix. Pini means beans
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Where has this thread been all my life?!

Aspiring speaker of Welsh here. Maybe i could have taken richard burton's mind off liz taylor.
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