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Hi everyone!

I'm just curious about any podcasts you all are listening too. I've recently found at that podcasts are available on Pandora radio, and I'm looking forward to checking out some new content. I especially like comedy or mental health. Thanks everyone.

[mote.of.soul]

The podcasts I like listening to are all related to the UFO & paranormal phenomena But I like to watch documentaries about various other things, as well.

[guilloche]

I've only recently gotten in to podcasts - and am really enjoying them a lot!

Not sure these will be anyone else's cup of tea.... but here are the ones I listen to the most:

- The Drive (Dr. Peter Attia) -
I really love listening to Peter. He trained as a surgeon, but works in private practice now focusing on health/longevity (i.e. not a regular primary care doc). He gets into medical stuff, but also some other, more mental-health related stuff. His podcasts are long, but he asks lots of good questions and gets into the weeds. I also, weirdly, just find him kind of calming to listen to. I think it's because he clearly thinks through things obsessively, so he comes across, to me, as very "trustworthy" in terms of information (this is something I struggle with other people in my life, who like to talk very confidently about things they know nothing about).

- Personality Hacker (Joel DeWitt and Antonia Dodge) -
Love them! It's about Meyers-Briggs typing, but also other personality-type issues (i.e. sometimes they'll get into Enneagram or other systems). They're a great team and I find the stuff they talk about to be interesting, as I'm trying to understand type (and myself!) better. I think they explain things well, especially since Antonia is a "thinker" and Joel is a "feeler" (in terms of MBTI) - so between them, they can represent both ways of approaching information.

- Tim Ferriss -
This was really one of the first podcasts that I started listening to. I actually found Peter Attia when Tim interviewed him, and I think Tim is the one who encouraged Peter to start a podcast. Similar styles. Tim focuses on interviewing "top performers" and he's done SO many at this point, that I'd be shocked if you couldn't find someone in his list that would spark your interest. His interviews tend to be long, but interesting... his chemistry varies quite a bit with who he's talking to. He seems much more relaxed talking to people he knows well and shares inside jokes with (of course, right?). He can be a little... affected sounding? Like, he speaks in a very deliberate, almost over-enunciated way. I'm curious if this is a particular regional or socioeconomic dialect, or maybe tied to personality type, b/c I used to have a friend who spoke in a similar way and it can come across as a little odd if you're not used to it. Anyway, at the end of the day, he has a ton of interesting content too.

I've tried some others... but have trouble finding people who don't annoy me (hey, just like real life!). Those are the top three I listen to.

I'm super curious now to hear what everyone else is listening to! Please share!

[cptsdwhoa]

Originally Posted by mote.of.soul

The podcasts I like listening to are all related to the UFO & paranormal phenomena But I like to watch documentaries about various other things, as well.

Wowza, I used to watch a lot of documentaries lol! that was pretty much all I used to watch besides the nerdy things I like to watch. Netflix had a nice collection of documentaries, but I had that account about 2-3 years ago.

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Originally Posted by guilloche

I've only recently gotten in to podcasts - and am really enjoying them a lot!

Not sure these will be anyone else's cup of tea.... but here are the ones I listen to the most:

- The Drive (Dr. Peter Attia) -
I really love listening to Peter. He trained as a surgeon, but works in private practice now focusing on health/longevity (i.e. not a regular primary care doc). He gets into medical stuff, but also some other, more mental-health related stuff. His podcasts are long, but he asks lots of good questions and gets into the weeds. I also, weirdly, just find him kind of calming to listen to. I think it's because he clearly thinks through things obsessively, so he comes across, to me, as very "trustworthy" in terms of information (this is something I struggle with other people in my life, who like to talk very confidently about things they know nothing about).

- Personality Hacker (Joel DeWitt and Antonia Dodge) -
Love them! It's about Meyers-Briggs typing, but also other personality-type issues (i.e. sometimes they'll get into Enneagram or other systems). They're a great team and I find the stuff they talk about to be interesting, as I'm trying to understand type (and myself!) better. I think they explain things well, especially since Antonia is a "thinker" and Joel is a "feeler" (in terms of MBTI) - so between them, they can represent both ways of approaching information.

- Tim Ferriss -
This was really one of the first podcasts that I started listening to. I actually found Peter Attia when Tim interviewed him, and I think Tim is the one who encouraged Peter to start a podcast. Similar styles. Tim focuses on interviewing "top performers" and he's done SO many at this point, that I'd be shocked if you couldn't find someone in his list that would spark your interest. His interviews tend to be long, but interesting... his chemistry varies quite a bit with who he's talking to. He seems much more relaxed talking to people he knows well and shares inside jokes with (of course, right?). He can be a little... affected sounding? Like, he speaks in a very deliberate, almost over-enunciated way. I'm curious if this is a particular regional or socioeconomic dialect, or maybe tied to personality type, b/c I used to have a friend who spoke in a similar way and it can come across as a little odd if you're not used to it. Anyway, at the end of the day, he has a ton of interesting content too.

I've tried some others... but have trouble finding people who don't annoy me (hey, just like real life!). Those are the top three I listen to.

I'm super curious now to hear what everyone else is listening to! Please share!

Thank you! These sound awesome!

Is Tim Ferriss the author of The Four Hour Workweek? If I'm remembering correctly Johnny FD has written about him and his process, I think. I used to be really into Johnny's podcast Travel Like a Boss back when I was entertaining ideas of being a digital nomad. I haven't listened to it in a long time, but I enjoyed hearing stories about digital nomads, dropshipping, and their successes.

Personality Hacker sounds like it's right up my alley! I like Taylor Hartman's Color Code the best as it's the easiest for me to understand. However, a podcast that deeply dives into Myers Briggs seems like it would be really helpful in my understanding.

[cptsdwhoa]

I was listening to podcasts on Youtube since I didn't know until about a week ago that podcasts were available on Pandora.

What I"m listening to:

The Joe Rogan Experience
Joe interviews people on his podcast. I watch his podcast on his Youtube channel. I find his podcast calming to listen too. I also enjoy the fact that he interviews such a wide range of people. I enjoy the open discussion format and hearing the different ideas. Plus, it's awesome for me to hear people who's work I enjoy being interviewed in a less formal way than, say, a show on broadcast television. I also appreciate that because his guest list is so broad that Joe and the guest may disagree but do so respectfully. It's nice to hear that kind of respectful conversation of ideas.

The Nerd Card Show
Peter Zinn and co-hosts give a how-to-nerd guide. This podcast looks like it ended a year ago, but I just stumbled upon it this week. I've only listened to the first episode, but I enjoyed it. I like it for the how-to-nerd stuff if you're into that sort of thing. I probably won't listen to all of the episodes but just the ones about the topics I'm interested in.

The Koy Pond with Jo Koy
He's one of my favorite comedians, and I think that his show is absolutely hilarious if you like his brand of humor. I would check out some of his stand-up and make sure you like his brand of humor. If so then you'll love his podcast. It's Jo being Jo and interviewing guests. It's hilarious if you enjoy his type of humor. I watch this when I need a laugh. I saw last night that he also has his podcast available on his Youtube channel if you enjoy watching Youtube.

What I want to listen to:

The Geek Box
This one looks like fun. It's hosted by Ryan Scott. I haven't listened to it yet, but the title says it all for me lol.

Nerd-Rage: The Great Debates
The title says it all for me with this one as well lol. I haven't listened yet, but this sounds endlessly entertaining!

Therapy for Black Girls
This is by Joy Harden Bradford Ph. D. I want to check this one out. Here's the summary of the show: The Therapy for Black Girls Podcast is a weekly conversation with Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, a Licensed Psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia, about all things mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions we can make to become the best possible version of ourselves.
I like that she's speaking to girls that look like me and the issues that may be unique to that experience when tackling mental health and personal development. It's just nice to see someone finally tackling this subject. In the 20 or so years that I've been in and out of MI treatment it didn't seem to be widely acknowledged or accepted that mental health is important for people that look like me as well. It's nice to see that that frame of thinking is changing. I look forward to listening.

[Blue_Bird]

I like The Fr. Mike Schmitz Catholic Podcast

[guilloche]

Yeah! Tim Ferriss is the Four Hour workweek, Four Hour Chef, Four Hour Body... guy. "Four Hours" kinda turned into his brand for books! He's also talked a lot about some of his own struggles, which is interesting, and his concept of "fear-setting" which I keep meaning to go back to.

The digital nomad idea is so fascinating, isn't it? I love the idea of being able to travel and work from anywhere in the world.

Personality Hacker is great . Although their online test consistently types me as INTJ, and I just... don't think that's correct. I could be wrong, I feel a little blind to my own type (not sure what I actually am) - but I think I might be a bit too goofy to qualify as an INTJ.

If you ever want to chat about personality stuff, please hit me up! I'm really interested in it, and have trouble finding people who actually want to hear about it. I tried explaining it to a friend who stopped me with, "that sounds complicated" LOL.

I'll check out Color Code - thanks for mentioning it, I hadn't run across it before.

For Personality Hacker - check out their website too. They use a slightly different model, the "car model" to help ease you into understanding the cognitive functions underneath MBTI, if that's something you're interested in but have been maybe scared off by. (Cognitive functions seem hard, but I think they make so much more sense than trying to memorize descriptions for each specific type, and they're useful to think about behavior - independent of type!)

Thanks for this thread, I'm looking forward to checking out some of the other podcasts mentioned!

[Helper2]

Anyone from Tim Ferriss or Joe Rogan for now. What I really like about these guys is they are changing the way how we communicate the right way. Thank god this has shifted for the better as the people that come on the podcast are not bias (most of the time). It is the new tread bringing us close to the truth.
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Originally Posted by Helper2

Anyone from Tim Ferriss or Joe Rogan for now. What I really like about these guys is they are changing the way how we communicate the right way. Thank god this has shifted for the better as the people that come on the podcast are not bias (most of the time). It is the new tread bringing us close to the truth.
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I agree. I haven't yet listened to Tim Ferriss' podcast, but I really enjoy listening to Joe Rogan's for that reason. It's refreshing to hear how they communicate in a respectful manner whether they agree or disagree (and especially when they disagree).

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@guilloche

Nice! Yup, I was thinking of the correct guy then! I read The Four Hour Workweek, maybe, five years ago. Man oh man was my mind blown haha! Ah, my brain isn't cooperating much lately so I'm not thinking as clearly. But, if I remember correctly I was really intimidated when I read it haha! I don't think I really understood it. I was also in a rough patch and wasn't prepared for his process. I went in really expecting that I could START only working four hours and not having to put in the work to END with a career that was four hours lol.

It really is fascinating! I would keep going back to the idea of being a digital nomad over the years. At least I would keep up with Johnny FD. I still read his blog from time to time. He's like a live action Where in the World is Carmen San Diego haha! It seems like the idea of digital nomads or at least drop shipping has picked up some steam over the years. I've heard about more people doing it than I had before.

Cool! I just bookmarked Personality Hacker! Thanks again! Thanks for the tip about the "car model."

I so get that! It's taken me forever to be able to understand enough about the test and myself to be able to look in the mirror and say, "Yup. That's me." I don't think I agreed with it all of the time, but it stays pretty consistent. I'm starting to see it now.

I've been taking the Myers Briggs for ten years now. In all of that time it's been a different result only twice. Besides those two times it is consistently INFJ lol. That was a change from the very first time I took it which said I was an extrovert. But once I learned to be more comfortable with myself and not try to be more out there than I actually felt INFJ made sense. I took it another time and it was still an introvert type but the more extroverted of the introverts. I don't remember which one, but it made sense as I had gotten more healing and felt more comfortable to express myself. That was a few years back. I took it again a month ago, and it's back to INFJ for me haha!

Will do! Do yo mind if I send you a friend request? I think it's fascinating, fun, and enormously helpful! I know a couple of people who are really into personal development and they helped me to see the value in understanding personality types (for relationships with self and others).

Oh! You're welcome! Color Code is probably my favorite because it's very easy for me to understand. I can also look at his system and have no doubts about what my personality is according to his system and work with it.

[guilloche]

Ha! I have to admit, I read Four Hour Work Week (and have a copy) - but can't remember a whole lot from it either at this point. I think Tim is an INTJ though (he mentioned once on a podcast that people have told him that, but that he doesn't know anything about MBTI) - and he seems to be ALL about "extroverted thinking" - if you listen to him, it's all 80/20 stuff and leverage points. It's really interesting to me, because I get the value in that - and haven't really had that perspective myself, so it's something I'm trying to learn to use a little more effectively.

Though I should mention, I'm totally fascinated by Te (extraverted thinking) these days. I've been feeling so ineffective lately, and I keep thinking that figuring out how to develop Te might be the key!

"Ah, my brain isn't cooperating much lately..."

You too, eh?! (I'm in a bit of a stupor most days, so incredibly tired, I think from everything going on these days.)

"I went in really expecting that I could START only working four hours and not having to put in the work to END with a career that was four hours lol."

Ha! Yeah, that doesn't quite work... I think he's even backed up a bit and said that the title was meant to be catchy and not literal .

Hope you like Personality Hacker!

re: The colors test - I tried to take it, but ack! All the initial questions ("pick which word best describes you as a child") - omg. My brain freezes up on stuff like this... I'm not sure if it's that it's not specific enough ("child" = 5? 8? 14? 18?) or if I don't have a clear enough picture of me as a child, or if none of the words fit. I feel a little crazy, but also... totally stymied (and weirdly anxious!). Argh.

Have you ever seen the "DISC" tests though? It sort of reminded me of that... I can't remember what the letters in DISC stand for, but we had someone come in at one of my jobs and give it to us, but she used colors instead of the letters. It was pretty awesome!

In her world:

- Red was sort of dominating ("D" I'm guessing) - people who tend to ignore the rules to "win" and really action/results-oriented. We had a lot of people like this at that job. (I think this was my lowest score, lol.)

- Yellow was fun and social, like a social butterfly, or people who run away to become ski instructors. Chatty, outgoing, friendly, funny/joking... and omg, I'm realizing my current boss is probably a red/yellow type person (and I'm not!) which explains so much!

- Blue - thinking/analyzing - I score high in this

- Green - peacemaking/diplomat/communications - I think was my second highest

Anyway, it was interesting. It didn't quite bring the pieces together into personalities like MBTI tries to... but she did some exercises with us that really showed how different people approached things, and it actually got the people at this workplace (a lot of engineers who usually weren't interested in this stuff) *talking* - like I'd overhear conversations in the halls about, "well, my wife is more yellow... so..." ha!

re: INFJ - very cool! I think there may be a LOT of INFJs here. There was a thread in one of the subforums awhile ago where tons of people self-identified as INFJ. You're in good company, if that's your type!

INFJs lead with "introverted intuition"... which is all about perspectives and patterns. I suspect that I use extraverted intuition instead (but could be wrong!) - I've read that Fi (introverted intuition) is sort of like... a "condensing" function, like, it takes tons and tons of data and filters it down to figure out what's likely true. Versus extraverted intuition (Ne) tends to explode out, and come up with more and more possibilities... if I'm right, I think that Ne can make it really hard to self-identify (because it's harder to lock in on an answer, there are SO many possibilities, and SO many reasons why it could be this... or this other one... or that... etc.)

I think my sis uses Fi... and the difference can be striking. When I'm talking to her, I can spin off in 20 directions, and she'll just stop me and say, "it's this!" lol.

Anyway, it's really cool that it's been consistent for you and that you're starting to see it now! I think there can still be a lot of variety within any one type, since we're not all carbon-copies, but if you can find the one that feels the most relatable to you - that's awesome.

Part of what I like about personality hacker is they use the types to start to explore what "self-growth" looks like for different people, based on type.

Like I said, personality hacker test thinks I'm INTJ, but I also routinely test as INFJ and sometimes INTP/INFP. Fun. I actually spent some time talking to someone that does typing, and she leaned towards INFP, but... I just don't know. Nothing gives me that fuzzy feeling of happy resonance!

"Do you mind if I send you a friend request?"

Yes, please do!

"Color Code is probably my favorite because it's very easy for me to understand. I can also look at his system and have no doubts about what my personality is according to his system and work with it."

I need to try again... did you struggle at all with the questions? Do you feel pretty sure of how to answer things like that (personality in childhood)? I looked at the first one, and thought - "oh no, NONE of these sound right!" - and then looked at the rest and sort of threw up my hands...

Thanks!

[Iloivar]

Been listening to a comedy podcast called my dad wrote a porno.

Essentially the son of the author and 2 of his friends reading his dad's book series and having a laugh about it

Podcast — My Dad Wrote A Porno

Here's the link if you're interested. I find it funny, though the humour may not be for everyone.

[possum220]

Happy Place - Fearne Cotton

Animal People - Supervet Noel Fitzpatrick.

[cptsdwhoa]

Thanks everyone for your replies!

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@guilloche

"Ha! I have to admit, I read Four Hour Work Week (and have a copy) - but can't remember a whole lot from it either at this point. I think Tim is an INTJ though (he mentioned once on a podcast that people have told him that, but that he doesn't know anything about MBTI) - and he seems to be ALL about "extroverted thinking" - if you listen to him, it's all 80/20 stuff and leverage points. It's really interesting to me, because I get the value in that - and haven't really had that perspective myself, so it's something I'm trying to learn to use a little more effectively."

"Though I should mention, I'm totally fascinated by Te (extraverted thinking) these days. I've been feeling so ineffective lately, and I keep thinking that figuring out how to develop Te might be the key!"

Ah, very cool. I'm not very familiar with Te, but I understand about incorporating personality traits that maybe you struggle with or that don't come as naturally. Taylor Hartman has a book on becoming more "charactered" by learning the best of the four color types of his system. I score as "Blue" as my dominant color, but I really believe that I could be more balanced by learning more "Yellow" and (especially) "Red" personality traits.

It's called Color Your Future TAYLOR HARTMAN ENTERPRISES

"Ha! Yeah, that doesn't quite work... I think he's even backed up a bit and said that the title was meant to be catchy and not literal . "

Haha, right?! I think I was perhaps I little naive (and maybe a little lazy at the time...I'm not proud lol). But it was also a rough patch so I was having champagne dreams not realizing I needed to start on a beer budget ha!

"Hope you like Personality Hacker!"

Thanks again for the recommendation!

"re: The colors test - I tried to take it, but ack! All the initial questions ("pick which word best describes you as a child") - omg. My brain freezes up on stuff like this... I'm not sure if it's that it's not specific enough ("child" = 5? 8? 14? 18?) or if I don't have a clear enough picture of me as a child, or if none of the words fit. I feel a little crazy, but also... totally stymied (and weirdly anxious!). Argh."

Ah, I'm sorry that it was frustrating! I get that though.

"Have you ever seen the "DISC" tests though? It sort of reminded me of that... I can't remember what the letters in DISC stand for, but we had someone come in at one of my jobs and give it to us, but she used colors instead of the letters. It was pretty awesome! "

Okay, so I read the "DISC" colors that you described and yes! This sounds pretty much like Taylor Hartman's system with the same/similar color groupings. Instead of green he uses white, but it sounds like the same personality type. He identifies that each color represents the core motive for each personality type.

Core Motives:
Red: Power (The ability to move from Point A to Point B) (Reds are probably the most difficult types for me to interact with. I believe the section of Taylor Hartman's book that addresses Red/Blue relationships is called "Blood, Sweat, and Tears" haha!)
Blue: Intimacy
White: Peace
Yellow: Fun

I also scored as a Blue (secondly white) according to his system. I have pretty much no yellow, and zero red haha.

"Anyway, it was interesting. It didn't quite bring the pieces together into personalities like MBTI tries to... but she did some exercises with us that really showed how different people approached things, and it actually got the people at this workplace (a lot of engineers who usually weren't interested in this stuff) *talking* - like I'd overhear conversations in the halls about, "well, my wife is more yellow... so..." ha!"

Haha that's amazing! He markets his system for use in the workplace as well for team building I believe. I've used the system with my friends, and it does bring out that kind of reaction (well so and so is definitely white lol)! That's another reason I enjoy his system. Since it has been the easiest for me to grasp I'm able to implement his advice more readily in my personal development. It's been helpful for me. I can "fake til I make it" with qualities that aren't as easy to me. I can respond better with others because I can recognize what color they at least appear to be by their behavior. For some reason I just "get" his system.

I really appreciate the Myers Briggs because if I'm correct it gets more at what each personality is thinking so to speak. If I can understand it better then I think I can use both effectively. The People Code for understanding my core motive and Myers Briggs for how my core motive impacts my thinking.

"re: INFJ - very cool! I think there may be a LOT of INFJs here. There was a thread in one of the subforums awhile ago where tons of people self-identified as INFJ. You're in good company, if that's your type!"

Awesome!

"INFJs lead with "introverted intuition"... which is all about perspectives and patterns. I suspect that I use extraverted intuition instead (but could be wrong!) - I've read that Fi (introverted intuition) is sort of like... a "condensing" function, like, it takes tons and tons of data and filters it down to figure out what's likely true. Versus extraverted intuition (Ne) tends to explode out, and come up with more and more possibilities... if I'm right, I think that Ne can make it really hard to self-identify (because it's harder to lock in on an answer, there are SO many possibilities, and SO many reasons why it could be this... or this other one... or that... etc.)

I think my sis uses Fi... and the difference can be striking. When I'm talking to her, I can spin off in 20 directions, and she'll just stop me and say, "it's this!" lol."

Haha ah that's fascinating! Hmm, I wonder if I use introverted or extroverted intuition. I'm not sure, but I would like look into it further and see if I notice my pattern.

"Anyway, it's really cool that it's been consistent for you and that you're starting to see it now! I think there can still be a lot of variety within any one type, since we're not all carbon-copies, but if you can find the one that feels the most relatable to you - that's awesome.

Part of what I like about personality hacker is they use the types to start to explore what "self-growth" looks like for different people, based on type.

Like I said, personality hacker test thinks I'm INTJ, but I also routinely test as INFJ and sometimes INTP/INFP. Fun. I actually spent some time talking to someone that does typing, and she leaned towards INFP, but... I just don't know. Nothing gives me that fuzzy feeling of happy resonance!"

Thank you. I agree! It's like everyone has thumbprints but no one set is exactly the same as another. I would like to get to know my particular print ya know? Ah, I remember now! It was ISFJ that was the other introverted type that I've tested as before. I've read it on 16 Personalities, and I'm not sure if it's me. INFJ feels more relatable. It's fun to put the puzzle pieces of myself together.

That's awesome because I love that aspect of exploring what "self-growth" looks like. I find it frustrating to stop at just explaining each personality type in a system.

I hope that you can sort out what feels like you. Would it be an aspect of extroverted intuition, then, to see all the available possibilities of your type making it difficult to pin down?

" I need to try again... did you struggle at all with the questions? Do you feel pretty sure of how to answer things like that (personality in childhood)? I looked at the first one, and thought - "oh no, NONE of these sound right!" - and then looked at the rest and sort of threw up my hands..."

I only struggled with a couple. Oddly enough, the childhood questions aren't as difficult as assessing myself as an adult (that's when I want to throw up my hands haha). I was always told by childhood/adolescent therapists that I had a lot of insight into myself. However, as an adult somewhere along the way I "lost" myself, and I couldn't remember a lot about myself. Childhood insights stick out more vividly to me for that reason. I don't remember a whole lot before age nine, but the years after that (until adulthood) stick out a lot for me. I also relied on how family and friends have described me as a child. Fortunately, they all describe me in pretty much the same way. That made it easier to choose. I can see where a lot of those same childhood traits are still there as an adult as frustrating as it can be to look at my adult self.

But, I can understand how that can be incredibly difficult. Not only having to remember what you were like in childhood, but it can be difficult because people can change so much. I get along well with kids and pick up their personality quirks some times easier than other times, but a lot of kids are just kids if that makes sense. Big ol balls of energy and driven by fun lol. It can be challenging to know their personality I think.

Thank you! I sent that friend request. You're very welcome.

P.S. I hope that The People Code can be useful for you.

I've been listening to RadioLab lately. Also Science Friday, Being Well (Rick Hanson), and On Being (Krista Tippet).

[guilloche]

Hi, cptsdwhoa!

Thanks for the friend request! Sometimes, I struggle finding things on this site, and the link that came when you sent it made it super easy to get to the right place. Thanks!

Wow - very cool that the DISC colors line up with Taylor Hartman's stuff. That helps. And, I agree - having four colors/personalities makes it a lot easier to get your head around the system and quickly see where other people might be coming from.

I'd love to hear any good stories you have about how you've applied it? Either in understanding others, or in incorporating traits from other types into yourself, which you mentioned? I tend to be really theoretical - so I love thinking about this stuff, but don't always remember to *use* it.

I'm trying to come up with my own examples, and the only one that jumps out at me is my current boss... is very yellow with some red, and probably an "ESFP" (my best guess, definitely some variant of "SP") - he hates planning, and systems, and working within the bureaucracy at work... everything that happens with him seems to be a last-second emergency! It drives me crazy, so I'm not sure if typing has helped. It's helped me understand, by giving me a framework, what's going on (why we have so many urgent emails from him - ha!) - but it hasn't really helped me cope. It's a real struggle sometimes. Maybe what I've learned is what I need to look for in my next boss

It's kind of interesting that all these color-based systems use four big categories. With MBTI, people sometimes talk about "temperaments", which is really just a way to group all the types into four big groups. It definitely makes it easier to start seeing where someone fits.

The functions... like "extraverted thinking (Te)... are really interesting to learn about and start to pull you into some of the nitty-gritty of how personality might work.

You can get to your personality type by just using the dichotomies ("Am I an introvert or extrovert? Intuitive or sensor?") - and for some people, that works well... then you can identify your functions based on that.

Or, you can go straight to functions, which can be a little messier, and start trying to figure out which you're using, and work from there to figure out your type.

Ha... I'm dying to write out a very long explanation of MBTI and functions, but I'm sure it will turn into an unreadable wall of text that won't be nearly as much to read as it is for me to write, lol.

Functions are interesting too though b/c you start to understand why the different types are the way they are, and what to focus on for self-growth.

As an example, the way functions work... your 1st and 3rd function always share an "orientation" (i.e. they're either both introverted or both extroverted). Your second function has the opposite orientation.

So, apparently, a lot of people skip their second function and jump straight to their third. Introverts are more comfortable dealing with introverted stuff - so rather than use the second (extroverted) function, which requires them to get out and be in the physical world, they'll jump to their 3rd. So one big growth path is to work on developing your 2nd function.

Personality Hacker also tends to talk about your 4th function being "aspirational" but also, a source of... errr I'm forgetting the exact word. Something your not very good at, and a little self-conscious about. If I'm an INFP, my fourth function would be "Te" which fits that for me, at least at this point in my life!

Oh! And yes yes yes yes yes! You were EXACTLY right when you asked... "Would it be an aspect of extroverted intuition, then, to see all the available possibilities of your type making it difficult to pin down?"

At least, that's my interpretation of it. It's hard, because on Personality Hacker, they both have Ne as their FIRST function, but neither of them seem to have any problem figuring out their type. (I think it's the Ne that makes me question everything and rarely feel confident - because I can almost always see some other possibility that could explain things! It feels a little hard to live with - I want to know things with confidence, darn it!)

OK - I feel like I'm jumping around a bit and maybe losing the context, sorry! Thanks for the explanation of the colors and how they relate to motives, very interesting. I also find "red" people really hard to deal with in real life.

I was a little confused by "blue" being motivated by "intimacy"? In DISC, "blue" is more... analytical, motivated by things like competence and accuracy. Do those fit in with the Hartman model?

Oh!!! And your comment about blue + red relationships (blood, sweat and tears - ha!) - reminded me of something that the person said in our workshop...

She told us, "I always tell my blue and green clients not to get into arguments with red and yellow people. The yellow people will dance circles around you, and the red ones will cut you to shreds." (Ouch!) That stuck with me!

>>It's called Color Your Future TAYLOR HARTMAN ENTERPRISES

Cool, thanks for recommendation!!!

>>I also scored as a Blue (secondly white) according to his system. I have pretty much no yellow, and zero red haha.

Ha! It looks like (I still have my printout!) I have a little yellow... but way more blue and green/white (in the DISC system). It's funny, *I* think I'm loads of fun, lol, but just... I don't think I define "fun" in the same way as the rest of the world. Ha!

Awesome!

>>Thank you. I agree! It's like everyone has thumbprints but no one set is exactly the same as another. I would like to get to know my particular print ya know?

YES! Exactly! I feel the same way!

>>Ah, I remember now! It was ISFJ that was the other introverted type that I've tested as before. I've read it on 16 Personalities, and I'm not sure if it's me. INFJ feels more relatable. It's fun to put the puzzle pieces of myself together.

It is fun! So, an ISFJ would be leading with with introverted sensing, rather than intuition (Si) - which tend to be more of a focus on things like traditions, history, continuity. I think ISFJs sound like they make wonderful partners to build a life with, because they're really gifted at creating the sort of structure and environment for a family to thrive - I think? Si is also great at remembering things - memories tend to be very rich, like replaying an experience. Not sure if that helps, but it sounds like you already are relating much more to INFJ. In general, "S" types tend to be more concrete, versus "N"s that tend to be more abstract and into the theoretical/hypothetical. "S" tends to be practical and "N" - less so.

But I feel kind of terrible at actual typing, as I said, since I can come up with all kinds of different angles to look at someone's personality.

>>That's awesome because I love that aspect of exploring what "self-growth" looks like. I find it frustrating to stop at just explaining each personality type in a system.

Yup!!! Me too! I don't want to just know "this type tends to act like this" - I want to know how they think, why they think that way, how that influences their behavior, and for myself - what does it mean? How did I use that to be better at life? What are my strengths? Where do I go from here?...

>>>I hope that you can sort out what feels like you.
Thanks! I'm sort of leaving it open and trying to just take what works from now, while it keeping it in the back of my head (so I can notice things that might point me in the right direction).

>>Oddly enough, the childhood questions aren't as difficult as assessing myself as an adult (that's when I want to throw up my hands haha).

Oh wow! Interesting! I'm not sure what it is about those questions, I looked again late last night... and I just... get stuck, where NONE of the four possibilities resonates. Like, "OK, I don't think I was ANY of these, so which do I pick?" - I know sometimes they'll say to pick the one that fits best, even if it's not 100%, but if none resonate at all? Ack.

>>I was always told by childhood/adolescent therapists that I had a lot of insight into myself.

Ah, that probably helps (and it sounds, to me, like something that matches up with INFJ - though I'm not sure where I'm pulling that from).

I think that I thought a lot about stuff as a child, but I also think I ended up very shut down to cope with my crazy family stuff. I know that by the time I was a little older, I was really just keeping my head down, studying, and trying to get out (college was my escape!). So, I guess it's not surprising that I don't really remember much in terms of personality... ugh, family stuff.

>>However, as an adult somewhere along the way I "lost" myself, and I couldn't remember a lot about myself.

*hugs* Sorry... it sounds like things are getting better now though?

Thanks again! I love talking about all this, it makes my brain light up. I'll try again with the color test and just... make the best choices I can, lol.

Take care!