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Sep 24, 2015 at 12:27 AM

I feel the same way, I'm 37 and I feel that there is nothing for me to do. I have social phobia and have spent my whole adult life without friends. I am uneducated and I haven't worked much.

Noctuary · Sep 30, 2015 at 01:06 AM

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I don't know if this will mean anything to you, but there is evidence that optimism can cause problems. (Admiral Stockdale was in a Vietnamese prison camp for many years, and noted that the most optimistic of the prisoners often didn't do well in captivity).

The Stoics practiced a type of negative visualization, where they would imagine the worst outcomes, up to and including the death of their beloved children. But, they did it so they could appreciate their children while they did live.

I studied Stoicism a few years ago. I actually fear negative visualization, that somehow it will come to pass because I'm thinking of it.

Noctuary · Sep 30, 2015 at 01:08 AM

Sometimes it is really bad, and all the platitudes, and advice are just spurious grunts. I'm facing that now, the dark realization that there is nothing to look forward to, that the remainder of my days is grueling struggle. Hoping those days are short.

shakespeare47 · 08:04 AM

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Sometimes it is really bad, and all the platitudes, and advice are just spurious grunts. I'm facing that now, the dark realization that there is nothing to look forward to, that the remainder of my days is grueling struggle. Hoping those days are short.

I find it difficult to know what to say, because I've experienced something similar, but it's hard to make comparisons, so I don't know how similar.

I'm also not even sure what it was that brought me back from those dark thoughts. And my life is no example of perfection, I can tell you that.

Noctuary · Oct 01, 2015 at 07:08 AM

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I find it difficult to know what to say, because I've experienced something similar, but it's hard to make comparisons, so I don't know how similar.

I'm also not even sure what it was that brought me back from those dark thoughts. And my life is no example of perfection, I can tell you that.

But in my case it isn't just thoughts; its a chronic illness that makes me feel wiped out almost everyday. Even with treatment its still bad. Doctors, medicine, breathing machines, etc. and I still feel bad. I just awoke to fatigue again this morning.

shakespeare47 · Oct 01, 2015 at 07:20 AM

I don't have sleep apnea, but I still feel fatigued at times (I even got tested for sleep apnea) and overwhelmed by negative thoughts.

I can see how having sleep apnea would make things even more difficult.

Noctuary · Oct 08, 2015 at 02:18 AM

Just hoping I die soon. I hate living; I always have.

shakespeare47 · Oct 08, 2015 at 06:28 AM

Does it help to think about what you would do if time and money were not issues?

I think about it sometimes. And I make changes based on what I would do if time and money were not issues in any way.

shakespeare47 · 12:26 PM

There is also the argument that much of who we are is a performance. We are characters that we develop.

I think about what kind of person I would be, if I could develop any type of character I wanted. I've found it isn't enough to want it, I need to do something to make it a reality.

Noctuary · Oct 18, 2015 at 10:47 PM

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Does it help to think about what you would do if time and money were not issues?

I think about it sometimes. And I make changes based on what I would do if time and money were not issues in any way.

Time and money are issues. I am chronically fatigued, and I have to work for a living.

stewartmays1 · Dec 07, 2015 at 08:36 AM

life can be very bleak at times i know how you feal in a way but life wont come to you that much i have learnt

Andy T · Jan 05, 2016 at 03:48 PM

Hi Noctuary,
Sleep is your number goal right now. In your shoes, I'd go to my doctor and keep returning until it's sorted out. Without sleep, you will become ever more depressed. You HAVE to sleep. Once that's achieved then all the other goals in life can be explored.

Andy T · Jan 10, 2016 at 04:05 PM

Hi Noctuary,
I've been thinking about you and while what i said is true that sleep is your number one goal, to overcome apnea you probably need to lose weight. What is your height and weight?

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Anonymous33211 Guest Posts: n/a	Sep 24, 2015 at 12:27 AM #21 I feel the same way, I'm 37 and I feel that there is nothing for me to do. I have social phobia and have spent my whole adult life without friends. I am uneducated and I haven't worked much.
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Noctuary Member Member Since Aug 2015 Location: Da South Posts: 50 8	Sep 30, 2015 at 01:08 AM #23 Sometimes it is really bad, and all the platitudes, and advice are just spurious grunts. I'm facing that now, the dark realization that there is nothing to look forward to, that the remainder of my days is grueling struggle. Hoping those days are short.
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shakespeare47 Grand Magnate Member Since Jul 2014 Location: US Posts: 3,134 9 437 hugs given	Oct 01, 2015 at 07:20 AM #26 I don't have sleep apnea, but I still feel fatigued at times (I even got tested for sleep apnea) and overwhelmed by negative thoughts. I can see how having sleep apnea would make things even more difficult. __________________ My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonise with my aspirations. T.H. Huxley
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Noctuary Member Member Since Aug 2015 Location: Da South Posts: 50 8	Oct 08, 2015 at 02:18 AM #27 Just hoping I die soon. I hate living; I always have.
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shakespeare47 Grand Magnate Member Since Jul 2014 Location: US Posts: 3,134 9 437 hugs given	Oct 08, 2015 at 06:28 AM #28 Does it help to think about what you would do if time and money were not issues? I think about it sometimes. And I make changes based on what I would do if time and money were not issues in any way. __________________ My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonise with my aspirations. T.H. Huxley
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stewartmays1 Member Member Since Sep 2015 Location: swindon Posts: 203 8	Dec 07, 2015 at 08:36 AM #31 life can be very bleak at times i know how you feal in a way but life wont come to you that much i have learnt
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Andy T New Member Member Since Jan 2016 Location: DEvon Posts: 9 8	Jan 05, 2016 at 03:48 PM #32 Hi Noctuary, Sleep is your number goal right now. In your shoes, I'd go to my doctor and keep returning until it's sorted out. Without sleep, you will become ever more depressed. You HAVE to sleep. Once that's achieved then all the other goals in life can be explored.
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Andy T New Member Member Since Jan 2016 Location: DEvon Posts: 9 8	Jan 10, 2016 at 04:05 PM #33 Hi Noctuary, I've been thinking about you and while what i said is true that sleep is your number one goal, to overcome apnea you probably need to lose weight. What is your height and weight?
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