[shakespeare47]

So, are you in love with your diagnosis?

Personally, I'd love to be better. The same qualities that cause me to be considered as suffering from a NPD also cause problems in my life.

It would be nice not to have those problems.

[anomaly_fleur]

I don't mind being a narcissist actually. When I had first came across the term, it explained everything I was feeling and I embraced the label proudly, as I had known for years my personality is what made me "special".

While it still doesn't bother me, there are some associated issues I would like to improve on, and life would be better if I could.

But do I wish I wasn't a narcissist? Nope. I like who I am.

[shakespeare47]

See, I don't it as special at all. I see it as a something that gets in the way of success..

This is what I'm talking about...

DSM IV

(cautionary statement)

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

I don't even like admitting I have any of the above qualities.

[Mattmx]

Originally Posted by shakespeare47

See, I don't it as special at all. I see it as a something that gets in the way of success..

This is what I'm talking about...

I don't even like admitting I have any of the above qualities.

That's because you're not NPD, you're just some attention seeking person who's found a place they think they can look smart. The closest you come to NPD is thinking you're intelligent in this field and that others here respect and believe any part of what you say, but I've put that off to the lack intelligence to realize that you're completely different than anyone in this forum. Trust me, go to Borderline personality forums and you'll find people MUCH more like yourself.

No matter how many times people here tell you that it's VERY apparent you are not similar and do not appear to have NPD, you come back implying you do. By now, you should have realized that your thought process, understanding, and personality are completely different than others here. There is common ground between everyone else posting but you. Perhaps you should go back and re-read all the conversations from start to end, and look for the similarities between people commenting towards you, and the differences between your approach and ours.

[shakespeare47]

Originally Posted by Mattmx

That's because you're not NPD, you're just some attention seeking person who's found a place they think they can look smart. The closest you come to NPD is thinking you're intelligent in this field and that others here respect and believe any part of what you say, but I've put that off to the lack intelligence to realize that you're completely different than anyone in this forum. Trust me, go to Borderline personality forums and you'll find people MUCH more like yourself.

No matter how many times people here tell you that it's VERY apparent you are not similar and do not appear to have NPD, you come back implying you do. By now, you should have realized that your thought process, understanding, and personality are completely different than others here. There is common ground between everyone else posting but you. Perhaps you should go back and re-read all the conversations from start to end, and look for the similarities between people commenting towards you, and the differences between your approach and ours.

I composed a long answer... but, I give up...

Your ignorance of just what makes a person a sufferer of a NPD is palpable.

and you still can't seem to grasp the concept that it is not desirable in any way for me to be a sufferer of NPD. and that BPD isn't better or worse... it's just different... and in the same spectrum as NPD, by the way.

[marmaduke]

Originally Posted by shakespeare47

So, are you in love with your diagnosis?

Personally, I'd love to be better. The same qualities that cause me to be considered as suffering from a NPD also cause problems in my life.

It would be nice not to have those problems.

What difficulties do you have shakespeare, what made you seek help?

Just read your profile. Sounds like you are a survivor!

[Mattmx]

Originally Posted by shakespeare47

I composed a long answer... but, I give up...

Your ignorance of just what makes a person a sufferer of a NPD is palpable.

It's not me, it's you. I'm 100% certain of that. You've been quoting me all of these things I've already studied in school, and lots have lived with PERSONALLY my whole life. Lets see that long answer you say you wrote up. I'd really love to see how you've taken other quotes from other people and done nothing to apply your own self and knowledge to them. I've read them all, even been graded on them all on my way to my AA in psychology.

[shakespeare47]

Originally Posted by marmaduke

What difficulties do you have shakespeare, what made you seek help?

Just read your profile. Sounds like you are a survivor!

My wife and I started seeing a T for marriage counseling... he brought it up.

It would be nice to develop some realistic goals. to have some better friendships...

[shakespeare47]

Originally Posted by Mattmx

It's not me, it's you. I'm 100% certain of that. You've been quoting me all of these things I've already studied in school, and lots have lived with PERSONALLY my whole life. Lets see that long answer you say you wrote up. I'd really love to see how you've taken other quotes from other people and done nothing to apply your own self and knowledge to them. I've read them all, even been graded on them all on my way to my AA in psychology.

I have no clue what you think you mean by your post. I'm not sure I want to know...

but, go ahead.. get it all out of your system.

When I first found out of my issue which was about 2 years ago I was devastated and in a dark place. How could someone so perfect be labeled with a disorder. In the beginning I too was completely convinced that "I" could change. The truth is change is not going to happen in a sense of being a different person. It is impossible!!!! The way to become better is to modify behaviors and with the point being of time, this is how the changes take place. Constantly questioning yourself and taking a step back to think about your move, act or whatever to see what the acceptable "action" would be. Repetition like training a dog is how we learn to "modify" our own selves. This I was all about in the beginning and soon after I was who I always was, just stronger with things because of the understanding. I am a Narcissist bold and capital!!! I get what I want when I want and know how to put all pieces in place to always benefit myself. I realize that I am selfish, non caring, non understanding and so on and on but this doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the unknown, the parts that are there and seem to be one thing but I know are completely something else. I've said this many times before, I didn't choose to be who I am, that was someone else's doing. If I could go back and have a choice to pick fu$^ed up mind or to be perfectly normal, I would choose normal. I can't go back, I am who I am and I know that in time this will ruin many things for me because no matter how much explaining is done on how I should see, feel, act, speak and so on I will never get it. It's really that simple!!! I will stress that these are my own opinions like it or not.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by Underground

When I first found out of my issue which was about 2 years ago I was devastated and in a dark place. How could someone so perfect be labeled with a disorder. In the beginning I too was completely convinced that "I" could change. The truth is change is not going to happen in a sense of being a different person. It is impossible!!!! The way to become better is to modify behaviors and with the point being of time, this is how the changes take place. Constantly questioning yourself and taking a step back to think about your move, act or whatever to see what the acceptable "action" would be. Repetition like training a dog is how we learn to "modify" our own selves. This I was all about in the beginning and soon after I was who I always was, just stronger with things because of the understanding. I am a Narcissist bold and capital!!! I get what I want when I want and know how to put all pieces in place to always benefit myself. I realize that I am selfish, non caring, non understanding and so on and on but this doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the unknown, the parts that are there and seem to be one thing but I know are completely something else. I've said this many times before, I didn't choose to be who I am, that was someone else's doing. If I could go back and have a choice to pick fu$^ed up mind or to be perfectly normal, I would choose normal. I can't go back, I am who I am and I know that in time this will ruin many things for me because no matter how much explaining is done on how I should see, feel, act, speak and so on I will never get it. It's really that simple!!! I will stress that these are my own opinions like it or not.

What you wrote is an exact description of how my NPD father thinks. Thank you for sharing this! *gives ego strokes*

And in turn, "LOVIN IT!!!!!" LOL

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by Underground

And in turn, "LOVIN IT!!!!!" LOL

I'm laughing!

In a high pitched voice(I forgot to mention)

[shakespeare47]

Originally Posted by Underground

When I first found out of my issue which was about 2 years ago I was devastated and in a dark place. How could someone so perfect be labeled with a disorder. In the beginning I too was completely convinced that "I" could change. The truth is change is not going to happen in a sense of being a different person. It is impossible!!!! The way to become better is to modify behaviors and with the point being of time, this is how the changes take place. Constantly questioning yourself and taking a step back to think about your move, act or whatever to see what the acceptable "action" would be. Repetition like training a dog is how we learn to "modify" our own selves. This I was all about in the beginning and soon after I was who I always was, just stronger with things because of the understanding. I am a Narcissist bold and capital!!! I get what I want when I want and know how to put all pieces in place to always benefit myself. I realize that I am selfish, non caring, non understanding and so on and on but this doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the unknown, the parts that are there and seem to be one thing but I know are completely something else. I've said this many times before, I didn't choose to be who I am, that was someone else's doing. If I could go back and have a choice to pick fu$^ed up mind or to be perfectly normal, I would choose normal. I can't go back, I am who I am and I know that in time this will ruin many things for me because no matter how much explaining is done on how I should see, feel, act, speak and so on I will never get it. It's really that simple!!! I will stress that these are my own opinions like it or not.

Thank you for sharing that. Did you get any external help at all?

[Mattmx]

Originally Posted by shakespeare47

I have no clue what you think you mean by your post. I'm not sure I want to know...

but, go ahead.. get it all out of your system.

I've given up proof-reading my responses to you, because i'm merely responding out of boredom. It's clear to me you're obsessed with the thought you're a narcissist, and it's clear to me you're in denial about that fact. If you want to talk about your actual problems, not what you call yourself, I'll be happy to listen and act like I care.

[shakespeare47]

Originally Posted by Mattmx

I've given up proof-reading my responses to you, because i'm merely responding out of boredom. It's clear to me you're obsessed with the thought you're a narcissist, and it's clear to me you're in denial about that fact. If you want to talk about your actual problems, not what you call yourself, I'll be happy to listen and act like I care.

LOL. That's cute.... Yeah... I get bored, too.

[Mattmx]

Originally Posted by shakespeare47

LOL. That's cute.... Yeah... I get bored, too.

So, hopefully one day you can stop focusing on what you'll call the things you perceive as issues in your life and start focusing on those issues and how you can cope or work around them.

[shakespeare47]

Originally Posted by Mattmx

So, hopefully one day you can stop focusing on what you'll call the things you perceive as issues in your life and start focusing on those issues and how you can cope or work around them.

So... you're challenging me to get better? The thing I already told you I want to do ?

Sure.. I'll do that. thank you for that excellent advice.

[Mattmx]

Originally Posted by shakespeare47

So... you're challenging me to get better? The thing I already told you I want to do ?

Sure.. I'll do that. thank you for that excellent advice.

You haven't started working on it here, all you do is bicker about what NPD is.

[shakespeare47]

Originally Posted by Mattmx

You haven't started working on it here, all you do is bicker about what NPD is.

You all were ignorant... you needed to be educated.. apparently, I was in the right place at the right time.

Now you understand what a diagnosis means..

[Mattmx]

Originally Posted by shakespeare47

You all were ignorant... you needed to be educated.. apparently, I was in the right place at the right time.

Now you understand what a diagnosis means..

Yeah, i'm done. The fact that you just said everyone here but you was ignorant just proves you're an idiot. That's a narcissistic trait, but in your case it's caused by you're stupidity.

Have a good one

[shakespeare47]

If you already knew what the criteria was... why didn't you just say so?

there's no need to get all huffy..

[FooZe]

Sorry, folks, this thread is turning into an argument. I'm going to close it while the team discusses what needs to be done with it.