[birdcrazy]

Quoting the bottom of this article:
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archive...e-dsm-v-draft/

Temper Dysregulation in Children

High emotional reactivity, high temper, emotional over-reactivity and affective lability. Now there’s a mouthful! What did I just say? The interpretation of this new proposed disorder for the DSM-V is basically for children who can’t control their temper (you probably know someone like this in your life), and because of the way their anger spills out into their lives, they suffer from depression. It will be characterized by persistent negative mood with bursts of rage. So this new disorder will be known as “Temper Dysregulation with dysphoria,” or something like that, in the DSM V.

The first sentence reads like something out of my school psychology reports, I had disruptive bursts of rage (meltdowns I guess) in school until I was about 16. I was also very depressed.

Anyway, I am probably self dxing again and it doesn't matter now since I am an adult, but I didn't know about this new dx until today... interesting!

I wonder what kind of treatment kids like this are getting nowadays, I wasn't treated back then and I wish I was.

[AShadow721]

That's pretty interesting. I like doing self-diagnosing, who knows you better than yourself? There's things therapists overlook and don't think about. It's good to research your symptoms yourself too sometimes.

[KathyM]

If you had been treated professionally back then, where do you think you would be now?

Probably not a question that can be answered. It can only be pondered at best.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens to the young ones growing up now, and see where it takes them.

I was never treated or sheltered for any psychological disorders as a kid, but I don't really mind what happened in the past. It gave me the courage, strength, and tools to endure what I'm facing now.

Maybe it's not such a bad thing to allow "life" to happen.

I wonder if this is a new name for oppositional defiant disorder? Anyone know?

[KathyM]

Originally Posted by farmergirl

I wonder if this is a new name for oppositional defiant disorder? Anyone know?

We didn't have fancy names like that back when I was a kid. We were labeled "rebellious" and "stubborn" - and called "misfits.".

[lonegael]

I was treated by my peers or the flat of someone's hand, if I remember correctly.... Nothing I would recommend making national policy.

[amandalouise]

I wouldn't worry too much or put much stock into it yet according to the Washington post and other newspapers this diagnosis label and a few others are in proposal stage. they haven't yet decided on including or making these diagnostic changes. the people working on the DSM are still debating revisions and all kinds of new diagnosis's and what to include for the criteria for having them. heres a link to the Washington post article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021000009.html

if you read down to the 5th paragraph you will see -

"The proposals will be debated in an intense process over the next two years, with potentially billions of dollars at stake for pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, government health plans, doctors, researchers and patient advocacy groups."

nothing is definate yet and wont be for two years. So for me and my family theres no reason for us to try and self diagnose ourselfs into diagnostic labels that are not yet a reality and wont be for 2 years and could very well not be a diagnostic label included in the new revised DSM. Better to go with what my treatment people say right now on what my diagnosis is and what my treatment plans are at this moment and if in two years my therapist and psychiatrist think a new diagnostic fits well deal with that then. less stress and worry for me not to mention the possibility of self diagnosing myself into the wrong mental disorder.

[(JD)]

Well, way back when, they were called tantrums.
But since modern society doesn't allow disciplining children,
I guess they had to give the end result
a proper name?

Originally Posted by farmergirl

I wonder if this is a new name for oppositional defiant disorder? Anyone know?

No, nor conduct disorder. It is an entirely new disorder. I heard about this today on the TV. Doctors are afraid too many children are being diagnosed as Bipolar when they are not. So, this is an attempt to describe symptoms without "condemning" kids to a lifetime of bipolar medication.

[KathyM]

Originally Posted by _Sky

Well, way back when, they were called tantrums.
But since modern society doesn't allow disciplining children,
I guess they had to give the end result
a proper name?

LOL Sky - tantrums....yep. I've also heard the word "feisty" and "hard-headed" used to describe the behavior in the past. My father called my son "solid" - he never minded my son's "terrible 2's." Dad said it was to be expected - that's how they grow....live and learn in small steps.

This new disorder sounds to me like just another name/label to separate them from the rest of the kids in the classroom. Even if they are given pretty words like "special" or "different," they will still need extra attention, time and energy from the teacher, the parents and the community. They can also become a target for the other people to bully. Even worse, it can give the child the excuse not to bother trying to fit into society or care about humanity.

If the new expert's advice doesn't work, or if these unruly kids, parents and teachers don't follow orders - I'd like to know where they plan to house all these kids? I'd like to know how they will be treated if kicked out and left alone on the streets.

But what do I know.....I'm just a "freak."

[homealone]

Sadly, the pharmaceutical industry will move in on these prey much like they did with their miracle drug methylphenidate.
I recently saw where Shire (your ADHD support company) was even giving free coupons for their miracle product.

I envision a day where individuals will be judged solely on what they provide for society, rather than how well they can market themselves.

Tom S.

[purple_fins]

Sadly, the pharmaceutical industry will move in on these prey much like they did with their miracle drug methylphenidate.

Yea, this worries me too.

I envision a day where individuals will be judged solely on what they provide for society, rather than how well they can market themselves.

such dreams have you.... such dreams.........
*sigh*........ yea, if it could only be possible......

[homealone]

such dreams have you.... such dreams.........
*sigh*........ yea, if it could only be possible......

The US has a president who happens to be black don't we......... keep your eyes on the prize and the current state of the economy and you will realize it's going to happen.

[KathyM]

Originally Posted by homealone

Sadly, the pharmaceutical industry will move in on these prey much like they did with their miracle drug methylphenidate.
I recently saw where Shire (your ADHD support company) was even giving free coupons for their miracle product.

I envision a day where individuals will be judged solely on what they provide for society, rather than how well they can market themselves.

Tom S.

I agree. As in any other business, the goal is to get as many customers using their product as possible. Every item, regardless of color, style or flavor - needs to be sold and moved off the shelves to make room for new inventory. It's the bigger, faster, more mentality - only with drugs. Selling it "over the counter" will tell the general public it's safe for mass consumption. For the business, that's a good thing - for the vulnerable consumer, it could be a VERY bad thing.

For "acceptable" drugs like alcohol, they will hire scientists to taut the benefits. For an alcoholic trying to quit drinking, it's really hard to watch all those enticing beer, wine and vodka commercials. For an abused spouse trying to encourage their significant other to give up the alcohol, it's hopeless. You can't help a diabetic give up the sugar by continually waving savory chocolate in front of their faces. You can't ask a person to give up salt by munching on potato chips all day.

A study just came out claiming beer is good for growing bones. Scientific studies like this only give the alcoholic the edge over the abused spouse - i.e., "See - scientists say it's GOOD for me." Back in the day, doctors told my mom a glass of wine every day would cure her peripheral polyneuropathy (they called them 'nerves" back then).

If alcohol is so good, why do police arrest people and kick them out for drinking - why do alcoholics become violent and unruly? If it's so good for bones, why is it so bad on the liver - does it matter? How does it effect behavior and judgment?

And what about this new study saying beer is good for growing bones. How will young parents grow their children after the breast-feeding stage? Will they put them on a healthy dose of beer before they even learn how to walk? If not beer, what about vodka? If not vodka, what about Oxycontin? If acceptable prescribed drugs are not available - should they "grow their own" and raise their toddlers on marijuana and crystal meth?

What will the authorities, experts and professionals have to say about THAT?

[anderson]

Originally Posted by KathyM

LOL Sky - tantrums....yep. I've also heard the word "feisty" and "hard-headed" used to describe the behavior in the past. My father called my son "solid" - he never minded my son's "terrible 2's." Dad said it was to be expected - that's how they grow....live and learn in small steps.

This new disorder sounds to me like just another name/label to separate them from the rest of the kids in the classroom. Even if they are given pretty words like "special" or "different," they will still need extra attention, time and energy from the teacher, the parents and the community. They can also become a target for the other people to bully. Even worse, it can give the child the excuse not to bother trying to fit into society or care about humanity.

If the new expert's advice doesn't work, or if these unruly kids, parents and teachers don't follow orders - I'd like to know where they plan to house all these kids? I'd like to know how they will be treated if kicked out and left alone on the streets.

But what do I know.....I'm just a "freak."

we agree becuse the truth to us is that the public wants all the people to look and act the same and when they don't they need something to justify the way they treat others. In a Pysic class we took we read about the time in Russia that they took the power of parenting away from the parents to the goverment. Before the first generation became adult they had a whole generation not only disruptive in the home but in public to. But there is no way that we can learn from others so here we go until we find the truth in the public agian. LOL A ROSE IS A ROSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU CALL IT!!!

[KathyM]

Originally Posted by anderson

A ROSE IS A ROSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU CALL IT!!!

You're right, Daisy - same goes for those dandylions.

[Elysium]

I haven't read everyone's posts yet so I apologize if this is repeated from someone else's post.

I read about this new TDD disorder...and honestly, it urks me a bit. It's like...Orange is the new Black....TDD is the new ADD. There's a new label in town and since it's a mood disorder I bet over the next 6 months Big Pharma is going to re-invent Divalproic Acid (AKA Depakote) and name it something STUPID like Bequietin, or something like that and they're going to be pushing it on these kids and warn out parents, just like the good old Ritalin craze of yesteryear.

I read that this new "language" in the DSM, as they call it, is going to help discern between childhood Bi-Polar Disorder by having this new label, but really???

I know that some kids are genetically pre-disposed to anxiety and even poor temperament, but it's also about Culture and Environment. How has the child been raised? A lot of Kids that I see act out, act out because they are not having their needs met by their parents or caregivers and when someone else comes in and cares for the child appropriately, often times the behavior improves.

So why is it that the kids are the ones that get labeled? Don't these Doctors realize that these labels are going to be following these kids around for the rest of their natural lives. Don't they realize that the stigma of a label like this is going to open this child up to all sorts of mistreatment and judgement from others. I mean, what do we know about anger? We know that when it is suppressed, it is turned inward and can lead to depression and anxiety. And if parents aren't teaching their children how to cope well as it is...what's going to happen when the kids become more depressed and dysfunctional?

So, yeah....let's label the kids and dumb them up with crazy chemicals that poison their bodies and minds, so their parents, who aren't meeting their children's needs can have a little more piece and quiet so they can do their Sudoku puzzles. Let's ban anger and emotional expression altogether!! Oh...wait...we have Lithium for that.

When are we going to see the first Dysfunctional Parenting Disorder and start identifying and treating the real issue? I'm sure there are plenty of kids out there that have serious issues that need medications to treat it, and have really great parents. There are those kids that were born addicted to drugs, or had Fetal Alcohol Syndrome...etc. But I am really concerned that Practitioners and parents are going to be throwing this label around and anytime a child expresses anger, they're going to haul them to the Doctors to load them up on Bequietin!!

Do you ever wonder if labeling kids and medicating them for their poor behavior is merely treating the symptoms of poor, dysfunctional parenting? How about evaluating the parenting skills too? Maybe some of the kids just need a more structured environment, or a different way of discipline. Maybe it's not always the child's fault!!!

Maybe we should be medicating the parents instead?

[Elysium]

[KathyM]

Elysium - So you think you get the last word on this, huh? Think AGAIN!



Uh oh....I may have injured myself with that one!

[lonegael]

Elysium.... uuhm... I think that's what their doing with me.... You see, I've been told we bipolars shouldn't have kids because we are bad parents. Hey! I'm so drugged, maybe that's why the smile won't leave my face!

[Elysium]

Originally Posted by lonegael

Elysium.... uuhm... I think that's what their doing with me.... You see, I've been told we bipolars shouldn't have kids because we are bad parents. Hey! I'm so drugged, maybe that's why the smile won't leave my face!

That's awful!!!

It's so difficult to be a child who has issues and has been diagnosed with disorders. I'm not trying to say that it's all the parents, nor am I intending to say that there aren't kids out there that do require treatment and medication....

But this is what I'm talking about. I don't feel there is enough assessment and investigation into the environment that some children are in before a label is slapped upon them and they begin getting medicated. And I don't see an effort being made to help educate the parents in how to better cope with their children who have disorders, before jumping on the med bandwagon.

There's a term that I hear often as a Nurse and that is "There is as much poison in that pill as there is medicine." Don't know who coined the phrase...but it rings in my ears.

One example...let's take a medication called Amiodarone. This is a medication that people take to help their heart and prevent irregular heart rhythms. It's a great medication for those who NEED it. It helps keep them alive. However...research has shown that people who take this medication long term develop Pulmonary Fibrosis, which is where the lung tissue becomes stiff and non-pliable and won't stretch like it needs to to get in oxygen and get out carbon dioxide. This insufficiency leads to pulmonary hypertension which then leads to heart failure. So, it helps there heart but long term it can also lead to death.

Now, I am NOT encouraging people to stop taking their meds. NO WAY...stay on your meds. What I am encouraging is for people to talk with their caregivers and their physicians about these issues if you feel this could be an issue. Even if you are a child...you still have a voice. It's okay to ask questions and to ask for answers.

And who ever tells anyone that folks with Bi-Polar, or any disorder should not have children...because they'd make bad parents, is smoking some serious crack!!

Yes, parenting becomes more of a challenge for the parent because they are managing their disorder and managing a family at the same time, and for some that MAY be too much, but not for all. And it's not about being a bad parent, it's about what one person is able to manage in their lives. If you have a mental disorder, and you are able to manage it well and you have a good support network, I don't think a family should be out of reach.

Some may say "Well...what if there's a relapse?" Well...what if there is a relapse? You deal with it. You work hard and do what you can to help yourself and your family understand the issues and you use your support network and you move forward. The same could be said for someone who had Diabetes, or Heart Disease. What if their diseases relapsed. Should we now tell them they shouldn't have children, because "What If?"

It's not about being a good or bad parent, it's about how a parent chooses to behave and cope with their own issues and environment.

That's my point. Let's look at the whole picture...not just point the fingers at the kids.

[birdcrazy]

I don't like when people say that kids with disorders just had bad parenting. My relatives claim I just wasn't raised right and needed more spankings and I would have behaved, but they don't understand what it's like to have an emotional eruption. I had these episodes until I was a teen, and occasionally today I still have an outburst.

I should have been medicated back then, and some kids need it, but some kids do not.

And yes, labels are horrible, I mean, I'm afraid to tell my future employers I'm schizoaffective for example... they would probably find a reason to fire me, stuff like that. I dunno, maybe in the future treat the symptoms but don't give them a name?