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Followers of Socrates are given credit for the genesis of cynicism: A prominent follower of Socrates in the early 4th century bce, Antisthenes, emphasized the Socratic doctrine that a good man cannot be harmed; virtue, in other words, is by itself sufficient for happiness. That doctrine played a central role in a school of thought, founded by Diogenes of Sinope, that had an enduring influence on Greek and Roman philosophy: Cynicism. Like Socrates, Diogenes was concerned solely with ethics, practiced his philosophy in the marketplace, and upheld an ideal of indifference to material possessions, political power, and conventional honours. But the Cynics, unlike Socrates, treated all conventional distinctions and cultural traditions as impediments to the life of virtue. They advocated a life in accordance with nature and regarded animals and human beings who did not live in societies as being closer to nature than contemporary human beings. (The term cynic is derived from the Greek word for dog. Cynics, therefore, live like beasts.) Starting from the Socratic premise that virtue is sufficient for happiness, they launched attacks on marriage, the family, national distinctions, authority, and cultural achievements. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...cy-of-SocratesTo the cynics, living in accord with nature and without conventions was the key. Foremost for understanding the Cynic conception of ethics is that virtue is a life lived in accord with nature. Nature offers the clearest indication of how to live the good life, which is characterized by reason, self-sufficiency, and freedom. Social conventions, however, can hinder the good life by compromising freedom and setting up a code of conduct that is opposed to nature and reason. Conventions are not inherently bad; however, for the Cynic, conventions are often absurd and worthy of ridicule. The Cynics deride the attention paid to the Olympics, the “big thieves” who run the temples and are seen carrying away the “little thieves” who steal from them, politicians as well as the philosophers who attend their courts, fashion, and prayers for such things as fame and fortune.Contemporary cynicism has evolved to a distrust of other's apparent motives. The classical Greek and Roman Cynics regarded virtue as the only necessity for happiness. They sought to free themselves from conventions; become self-sufficient; and live only in accordance with nature. They rejected any conventional notions of happiness involving money, power, or fame, in the pursuit of virtuous, and thus happy, lives.[3] In rejecting conventional social values, they would criticise the types of behaviours, such as greed, which they viewed as causing suffering. Emphasis on this aspect of their teachings led, in the late 18th and early 19th century,[4] to the modern understanding of cynicism as "an attitude of scornful or jaded negativity, especially a general distrust of the integrity or professed motives of others."[5] This modern definition of cynicism is in marked contrast to the ancient philosophy, which emphasized "virtue and moral freedom in liberation from desire."[6]In A Field Guide to the Cynic, Elizabeth Syoboda tells us: Don't stop parroting Daily Show host Jon Stewart just yet, but a cynical outlook really can take years off of your life. Thanks to their nihilistic bent, cynics tend to engage in more self-destructive behaviors than their sunnier peers. Research has shown that they smoke and drink more, and are more likely to commit suicide.There are times I am overwhelmed by what I see going on in the world. The frustration is immense. Yet I know getting so worked up is not healthy. Gandhi advocates being the change I want to see in the world. I have tried by writing letters to the editor, to my congressional delegation and to the president's web site. The newspaper most often refuses to publish my letters -- their agenda is the polar opposite of mine. The congressional delegation sends me slick letters that are meaningless. Not surprisingly, I have not gotten a response from the President. Now, I volunteer more. Last edited by TheByzantine; Oct 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM. |
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Too, how is it virtuous to launch attacks? "Personal virtues are characteristics valued as promoting individual and collective well being." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue
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Do not assume I listened to them.
Really? It helps to be more positive? I did not say I launched attacks. "Personal virtues are characteristics valued as promoting individual and collective well being." You are kidding, right? |
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My cynicism over the years usually has proven to be correct. Banking,government,etc.. That is why I left the big city and lived in the country for the last thirty years. Also that is part of the reason my depression has gotten so bad this time I had to move back to the city. I am better living with nature than concrete.
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I find Gandhi's response to cynicism (& yours, via volunteering) one that--if nothing else--removes the negative weight of cynicism from me while I'm engaged.
I work with shelter animals. Other things I tried only kindled my cynicism after a while. I work especially with the older & frightened ones who have less & less chance of adoption as time goes on. A lot go on to find homes. I may never do any work directly involving people. People say I waste my time on animals. I carry earplugs when I leave home now. I'm so sick of what people say.
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i resonate with the idea that all grasping leads to suffering, and to hold an idea as a guide to living is certain disappointment. i agree, life is to be lived ethically, or virtuously, despite any actions or words by another. it is not difficult to know what is ethical, or virtuous: harm none. if we only spent our time not harming ourselves and others, there would be no need for treatises on Cynicism. and all that energy could then go to helping make this a better world. best wishes, ,Gus
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I like the older definition, the one that equates cynics to people living like dogs, closer to nature, farther from society. If people were more like dogs we'd be fine. Dogs love unconditionally and sort themselves out in packs instinctively. Yes there are alphas and omegas but they have specific roles--no real social hierarchy like humans tend to create.
Much of the hype about positivity is a reaction to the Calvinist attitudes of the 1800s that produced an epic of 'invalidism' (a.k.a. depression, although that word hadn't been introduced yet). Barbara Erhenreich's book "Bright Sided" gives a terrific history of how this cheer-as-medicine was eventually sold to corporate America and how it directly contributed to our financial downfall by separating right action from outcomes at the very top of corporate organizations. Prominent CEOs were attending workshops in the 90s that taught that attitude was everything, performance irrelevant. Now look where we are. Anyone who has ever worked for a huge corporation knows that you are required to be cheerful no matter what. It becomes delusional. It's like entering a parallel reality where everything is inside out and nothing means what you think it means. For instance, when I worked for a huge regional bank back in 2007 and started getting daily memos about how great the bank was doing, I said, "Oh-oh. The bank's going down." A year later it did. That's what happens when positivity is legislated--no accountability and everything must be translated. Official language turns Orwellian. What we need is balance. I try to see the world for what it is but detach myself from it. After all, it will do what it does, regardless of how I feel about it. In front of my nose though, my own life is happening. Don't want to miss THAT. ![]() |
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