[ilikedesifem]

What value do they provide to the world around them?

How can this be so when they select which clients receive good treatment, or practice a false science?

Isn't the true value of a person the positivity they bring to the world around them?

[A Red Panda]

I think that some are great people, some are good people, some are decent people, some are not-so-good people, and some are terrible people. And all the other variations in between. They're people.

Different people mesh with different people. Some they will mesh with better than others. That is normal.

Some will be great people and good at their jobs. Others might be great people and not so good at their jobs. Some might be terrible people but good at their job, and others might be terrible people and horrible at their jobs.

Just like every other job in the world. There is a huge mix of people.

How do they select who gets good treatment or not?

I think that the true value of a person is based upon how other people view them. If they are cared about by someone, then they are valuable to that person. To another person who does not care about them, then they are not valuable. To themselves they are hopefully valuable. I do not think that there is any criteria for what makes someone valuable.

[ilikedesifem]

Originally Posted by A Red Panda

I think that some are great people, some are good people, some are decent people, some are not-so-good people, and some are terrible people. And all the other variations in between. They're people.

Different people mesh with different people. Some they will mesh with better than others. That is normal.

Some will be great people and good at their jobs. Others might be great people and not so good at their jobs. Some might be terrible people but good at their job, and others might be terrible people and horrible at their jobs.

Just like every other job in the world. There is a huge mix of people.

How do they select who gets good treatment or not?

I think that the true value of a person is based upon how other people view them. If they are cared about by someone, then they are valuable to that person. To another person who does not care about them, then they are not valuable. To themselves they are hopefully valuable. I do not think that there is any criteria for what makes someone valuable.

It's pretty obvious they do, even though their professional ethics say otherwise. It's pretty clear that they determine that they select who receives professional treatment based on who they like or who they don't like/approve of.

[Hellion]

I think it really depends on the therapist or professional. On the same note there are probably terrible therapists/professionals that are decent people.

Are {fill in the blank} actually decent people?

[MotownJohnny]

I agree, they would fill the entire range of the spectrum from demon to saint, as does all of humanity.

[Maranara]

They are people just like any others. Some are good, some are bad. I believe most therapists get in to their positions for the right intention of helping people, but some, somewhere along the way, start being influenced in ways or take on habits to the point that they no longer help and can actually harm their patients...but that's not unlike any other profession. Most people do not go in to their professions to mistreat others, be con artists, or to steal from others...the list goes on, but that doesn't mean some of them aren't subverted somewhere along the way and become that way.

[ilikedesifem]

ok, so yeah, decent people tell their clients they are nothing.

they tell them they cannot aspire to anything.

they tell my parents how to treat their children, and to treat their "inferior" client child worse.

they are scum, who contribute little positivity to the world around them.

[avlady]

I think aot of therpists are good, but there are some bad apples in the crowd these people went through years of schooling because i guess they like to deal with people.

[ilikedesifem]

OK, so this is why they say masturbation and atheism are evil? got it...

Originally Posted by ilikedesifem

OK, so this is why they say masturbation and atheism are evil? got it...

No therapist I have met has ever said either of those things. Quite the opposite.

[Maranara]

Originally Posted by ilikedesifem

OK, so this is why they say masturbation and atheism are evil? got it...

You are stereotyping all therapists as being all one way and that is not true or fair any more than it is to stereotype whites, blacks, Jews or other religions, etc. I'm sorry you'd had a lot of bad experiences with therapists and I don't blame you for feeling the way you do, but they aren't all bad, any more than all of any other group are bad.

[Hellion]

Originally Posted by ilikedesifem

ok, so yeah, decent people tell their clients they are nothing.

they tell them they cannot aspire to anything.

they tell my parents how to treat their children, and to treat their "inferior" client child worse.

they are scum, who contribute little positivity to the world around them.

I would not classify a therapist like that as a decent person.

[ilikedesifem]

Originally Posted by Maranara

You are stereotyping all therapists as being all one way and that is not true or fair any more than it is to stereotype whites, blacks, Jews or other religions, etc. I'm sorry you'd had a lot of bad experiences with therapists and I don't blame you for feeling the way you do, but they aren't all bad, any more than all of any other group are bad.

And? if therapists are out to abuse me, why must I welcome them? They of all people should comprehend reciprocity....

[Maranara]

Originally Posted by ilikedesifem

And? if therapists are out to abuse me, why must I welcome them? They of all people should comprehend reciprocity....

I didn't say to welcome them...you've had crappy luck with therapists and need to find one that will meet your needs instead of abuse you. If you cannot find one for whatever reason, don't go to therapy. It would be better to not go than to suffer at their hands. All I'm trying to point out is that they are not all bad. You can't say all of an entire group is bad...or good. Life doesn't work that way.

[lizardlady]

Man, I am probably going to open myself to attack by admitting I'm a therapist. I'm going to echo what others have already said. Therapists are human beings (really!) they run the spectrum from really good people who are good at what they do to rotten people who are rotten at what they do with every imaginable combination in between.

If your therapist is abusing you, then they should be reported to their licensing board. Abuse goes above and beyond not be competent at what they do.

As for masturbation and atheism being evil... I've met some faith based counselors/therapists who might say that but that's sure not a common belief in the field.

Thanks to those who pointed out that no group of people is all something. Maranara is right. It's stereotyping.

Originally Posted by ilikedesifem

And? if therapists are out to abuse me, why must I welcome them? They of all people should comprehend reciprocity....

It is important to interview the therapist. You now have some knowledge of what you don't want in a therapist. Ask them during the consultation.

[MotownJohnny]

Check out online reviews if you can find them. I failed to do that with the psychiatrist who royally effed up my life. I checked out the new one extensively. She got only glowing reviews -- their were either true or planted by someone paid to make her look good -- so, I made an appointment. They were/are true, she is beyond awesome. Doesn't make up for the damage the first one did to me psychologically, but I know that the first one was not the norm for the profession as a whole.

[Maranara]

Originally Posted by MotownJohnny

Check out online reviews if you can find them. I failed to do that with the psychiatrist who royally effed up my life. I checked out the new one extensively. She got only glowing reviews -- their were either true or planted by someone paid to make her look good -- so, I made an appointment. They were/are true, she is beyond awesome. Doesn't make up for the damage the first one did to me psychologically, but I know that the first one was not the norm for the profession as a whole.

I agree. With technology the way it is now, you can do a gigantic amount of research on a therapist or any professional way before you step in their office.

[gayleggg]

I used to work with therapist and psychiatrists. I saw those that cared deeply and those that I wondered how they got a degree. But on the whole most were decent people who did the best job they new how to do and cared deeply about their patients.

I personally have seen three therapists and I would recommend all three as being great. I've seen 5 psychiatist and only one did I not like because I thought he had his own agenda.

I'm in agreement with everyone else; they are human and some are going to be better than others. But I think most care about their patients.

By the way, I am neither. lol

[ilikedesifem]

Originally Posted by lizardlady

Man, I am probably going to open myself to attack by admitting I'm a therapist. I'm going to echo what others have already said. Therapists are human beings (really!) they run the spectrum from really good people who are good at what they do to rotten people who are rotten at what they do with every imaginable combination in between.

If your therapist is abusing you, then they should be reported to their licensing board. Abuse goes above and beyond not be competent at what they do.

As for masturbation and atheism being evil... I've met some faith based counselors/therapists who might say that but that's sure not a common belief in the field.

Thanks to those who pointed out that no group of people is all something. Maranara is right. It's stereotyping.

I disagree. I don't think many of you get modern society. so yeah, modern society is evil per your standards..

[Travelinglady]

ilikedesifem, is there any way we can change your mind? I think most of us believe there are some good, decent therapists and other professionals. But I don't think you believe so. Is the answer to your question "No" as far as you are concerned?

[ilikedesifem]

er... no.

It's that therapists don't give a damn, they don't get modern society, they label people will false illnesses/conditions, and arbitrarily select who gets good treatment.

[okok111]

It depends. They are not aliens, they are people. Saying therapists are all evil is like saying all black people are terrorists. Some are, most aren't.

[FooZe]

Unfortunately this thread seems to be turning into an argument not about an actual therapist or therapists, but about the supposed attributes of a "they" who may not even exist. I am now going to close it.