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Old Dec 02, 2014, 02:18 AM
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I was not approved a job because I was on Zoloft. I thought it was discriminating. The stigmatization is obvious in society, yet the individuals that judge are also taking at least something for depression.

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Old Dec 02, 2014, 04:19 PM
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I do understand the broader point that's being made. I just don't agree philosophically with separating the general from the specific.
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I think this was well said, and i agree with this sentiment. I also can see how easily the topic could be derailed if we were to, get into a debate about gun ownership or something that has nothing to do with the general subject of being unfairly treated. That said, maybe we dont need to know the specifics what what mental illness is at play if the discrimination occurred on the basis of any mental illness at all--meaning that in this particular case, there is no regard for exactly what illness is in question, or of its severity in this particular individual. I do however feel that, the discussion is hitting the other extreme of being too broad, since we do not know what is being denied.

On a broader note though, I think the trapped thing is kindof two-sided. Funding is always an issue for one thing. And as dandy as a case-by case evaluation sounds, the truth is that even that could get sticky and have problems of its own. Sometimes the only way around something is to make a blanket rule that just says no to everyone. Unjust treatment is unjust: there is no way around that. And "Mental Illness" may very well be much too broad a blanket under which to make certain statements. Life just isnt fair.
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Old Dec 04, 2014, 07:07 PM
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I think a big part of the problem is that the mentally ill don't have a very organized lobby. This makes a huge difference on capital hill. Groups who have well organized well funded lobbies get results in Washington. Mass grass roots movements get results. Congress and state legislatures can make blanket laws denying us rights because there is not much push back. In fact there are more organized groups pushing for those denials.

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Old Dec 05, 2014, 09:26 AM
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And, if I lie about my mental illness, I am in trouble with the law, too.
You're not breaking any law if you lie to an official about your mental illness. If you've broken the law and lie about being mentally ill you can't be charged with anything. You only lose personal rights if you break the law and are convicted of a felony. So you can see why some forum members feel that specifics are needed in order to discuss this subject correctly.
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Old Dec 06, 2014, 12:31 AM
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+ there are issues with racial profiling, age, even looks - if you look disheveled, you are less trustworthy in the eyes of the police, etc. If you appear to be under the influence of substances, the police would distrust you as well.

Note that predominantly, people with mental illness are not in any database linked to law enforcement
Strictly speaking, the nature of policework makes cops distrustful and suspicious.

But yeah, many issues.....let's not start about all the recent issues, but just nod in understanding and dismay at the madness like two old people in rocking chairs on a porch
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