[kindoflost]

On a similar site (P.T.) I found an article about how OCD isn't helpful with psychoanalytical treatment because you would just further make compulsivly insights which isn't helpful. And CBT also isn't (which I agree), they say. So what is left, you may ask ... get on drugs (pills), right?

This was my response to that article, and for the point I'm making it is not neccasary that you have read that article (it's forbidden to link it here, probably), and it is also not important to who I was replying to there. I think it must be talked out loud about the same topic anywhere else where this kind of thinking is taking over - and it is basicly everywhere, specialy in last decade or two.

This is my response to that author (filled with obvious emotional tone, but allow me not edit this just for the sake of emotions - message (point) is the same anyway):

"The author is basicly saying the aim of psychoanalysis is intelectual insight through compulsive insight searching, while in psychonalysis, one is actualy encouraged to start to feel and intelectualize less, so the solution is totaly different. Yes, sometimes intelectual insight helps too, but 90% of the importance goes to actualy breaking this compulsion of insight searching because this is just intelectualization or some other defense - this is just a running away from actualy feeling what should be felt - it's an acting out.

You do this because underlying, repressed energies push you to do this. The more we think, the more repressed or suppressed emotions we have and that's why we tend to think. The more emotions you release, the less you will be prompt to thinking.

And that's why it is logical no The Power Of Now, and Cognitive or Behavior therapy can't help this. It can only be done by slowly disarming the defenses one built to not feel what should be felt. You can see what a non-sense CBT therefore is. It just makes you think differently, so to fix the problem of thinking too much (which you do because of repressed energies) is to solve with the exact same problem you wan't to resolve - thinking. It's the same with relaxation techniques, too. You induce plesaure and that's why you relax temporary. But the next morning, next afternoon you're back to the same, maybe even on the higher lever - more stressful.

That's why also medicine is nonsense. You're just trying to push unressolved emotions even further. So basicly, again, it is the solution of "keep doing the same as you did before - avoid the unresolved stuff and you will feel better". So why would you need help in the first place if running away from what is to be felt is the solution?

The only solution is slowly disarming the defenses and this takes time. It may be 3, 5 or 10 years. I doubt more, cause in this case something is being done wrong. Psychonalysis is a complex thing because human nature of psyche is a complex thing and psychoanalyst has to adjust to specific case of person he's working with. And this takes knowledge. There are 1300 pages in just one book like "Psychoanalitic Theory of Neurosis". The reason lies in this very complexity of our psyche. And this is only one book. Imagine you have to have a knowledge of 10 books like this, and being analysed yourself before being analyist, and so on. So it takes a lot of knowledge, emotional objectivness (stability) because of countertransference which can occour, and it takes TIME.

And here's the issue. Because money rules the world, the ones having the most of it, have the most of the power and infulence. In my mind I have pharmacy. And because calculation is simple - one person can make 100 pills of daily, while 100 therapist can cure only 1 person "daily". I won't get into the calculation, it is obvious.

And that's why the short term CBT is mainstream treatment. That's why pills are mainstream treatment. It so so mainstreem patients are even becoming proud of taking various kinds of pills. And also, because of categorisation (labeling) of people within the range of like 10 personality disorders is producing people that are proud of labeling themselves with labels and they're doing exactly the thing mainstream wants them to do. This stuff is just sick and is leading nowhere.

If the fact is one patient needs to be treated by a single well educated analysist for a peroid of 5 years, than this doesn't mean this isn't productive. It just means people are not ready to invest time and dedicate to each person and treat them with the uniquness of the problems they deserve."

[healingme4me]

Thanks for sharing. I'm ok about cbt teaching to remove wishful thinking and teaching how we process emotions, common mental mistakes and addressing suppression (avoidance). It's to me, changing problem thinking to rational thinking.

Of course, without seeing the article in question, it's difficult to discuss rational behavior therapy. (CBT)

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[kindoflost]

Hey. I'm not sure if you teach it or is it being teached to you?

I have a feeling it might help accepting the unconcous programs that are already built in and worry less about who we are, but those programs still run its course and the problem the emotional truth (the core, anyway) is inside this ...