How do I get help?

cool09 · Jul 05, 2022 at 03:19 PM

I have so many things wrong and I've seen dozens of doctors and therapists the last 5 years and I haven't made any progress. I've taken every medication and ECT with little relief.

Nammu · Jul 05, 2022 at 03:35 PM

Have you tried a DBT long term program?

cool09 · Jul 05, 2022 at 03:54 PM

No, 2.5 yrs of therapy hasn't helped. I don't have control over my mind. It does what it wants. I have a personality disorder, asbergers, depression/anxiety, PTSD. The only time I feel content is when I sleep and my mind shuts down. I am so done with mental illness.

Nammu · Jul 05, 2022 at 04:09 PM

DBT gives you very specific tools to use and a long term program is designed to help you learn the tools.

cool09 · Jul 05, 2022 at 04:20 PM

I have tried CBT over and over.

downandlonely · Jul 05, 2022 at 04:46 PM

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I have tried CBT over and over.

DBT is different and I believe usually more successful than CBT. Especially if you struggle with emotional regulation.

Nammu · Jul 05, 2022 at 04:52 PM

It is the gold standard for personality disorders but useful for many people.

eskielover · Jul 05, 2022 at 06:54 PM

DBT was the only therapy that helped me. Wasted 13 years on useless talk therapy. Found an outstanding T & did 2 years of intense group
DBT along with my private T working on the things that weren't things one could talk about in group (the specific details) best therapy ever & I was struggling with major depression, anxietyb& PTSD. DBT is actually created to help with personality disorders but it helps with everything

cool09 · Jul 05, 2022 at 07:28 PM

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DBT is different and I believe usually more successful than CBT. Especially if you struggle with emotional regulation.

The only thing I think I can't regulate is anxiety. I manage anger, agitation, sadness well. My anxiety goes from 0 to 100 in a millsecond. At Johns Hopkins they told me to use Mindfullness for anxiety. Two yrs ago my pdoc asked if I "made friends" with my anxiety after I told her it was crippling me. Lot of help she was.

downandlonely · Jul 05, 2022 at 07:34 PM

I believe anxiety is one of the things it helps with. I think it's worth looking into if you haven't tried it before.

eskielover · Jul 06, 2022 at 06:03 AM

Yes, DBT helps anxiety because it helps one stop & think it through when it first hits so it won't go from 0 to 100. It also helps analyze anxiety we are feeling so we can counter it.

Marie123 · Jul 06, 2022 at 06:56 AM

i have heard that EMDR can be helpful.

eskielover · Jul 06, 2022 at 09:26 AM

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i have heard that EMDR can be helpful.

Used mostly for PTSD but when one problem is treated, it usually helps the others

eskielover · Jul 06, 2022 at 09:31 AM

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No, 2.5 yrs of therapy hasn't helped. I don't have control over my mind. It does what it wants. I have a personality disorder, asbergers, depression/anxiety, PTSD. The only time I feel content is when I sleep and my mind shuts down. I am so done with mental illness.

I would suggest you find someone who specifically knows how to work with aspergers (ASD) because the ASD mind does have its own way of thinking, seeing, & perceiving the world around it. Unless someone really knows how to work with this, they can mess things up even more for you. People that do know can really help with all those other issues too.

unaluna · Jul 06, 2022 at 04:32 PM

You know the joke: "but the lightbulb has to WANT to change!"

DBT and CBT arent interchangeable. DBT was created BY a crazy person, FOR crazy people. How can you beat a recommendation like that?

cool09 · Jul 06, 2022 at 04:49 PM

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I would suggest you find someone who specifically knows how to work with aspergers (ASD) because the ASD mind does have its own way of thinking, seeing, & perceiving the world around it. Unless someone really knows how to work with this, they can mess things up even more for you. People that do know can really help with all those other issues too.

Yes, anxiety and personality disorders are a constant problem. My problems result in a world that is somewhat distorted. I get anxious because I don't have any confidence with speaking. I stopped speaking at age 13 when anxiety and dissociation hit me hard. I hardly said a word for 5 years and I didn't feel a thing around me for decades. My speech isn't as quick as others, have trouble finding words.

I'll look into it. Maybe I have some hope now.

eskielover · Jul 06, 2022 at 04:50 PM

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You know the joke: "but the lightbulb has to WANT to change!"

DBT and CBT arent interchangeable. DBT was created BY a crazy person, FOR crazy people. How can you beat a recommendation like that?

LOL.....it works, who cares.....LOL BUT it does take a lot of personal work that the person needs to be willing to do to get the help DBT is designed to provide. I seriously think that a T who specializes in ASD/aspergers would be best at addressing the issues from that point of view.
After living with someone for 33 years who had ASD, it is a foundational issue for all those other issues also.

cool09 · Jul 06, 2022 at 04:54 PM

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LOL.....it works, who cares.....LOL BUT it does take a lot of personal work that the person needs to be willing to do to get the help DBT is designed to provide

I find it really hard to do what therapists suggest. They have to light a fire beneath me to get me going. Motivation and apathy are real bad.

unaluna · Jul 06, 2022 at 05:09 PM

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I find it really hard to do what therapists suggest. They have to light a fire beneath me to get me going. Motivation and apathy are real bad.

Thats the CBT way - its behavioral stuff. DBT isnt like that. One session, we went around the room just saying NO out loud. Took the third time coming around to me before i was able to do more than squeak.

Motivation - whats that? The urge to do something you dont want to do? Ive had people blocking me for sooo long. Do i do that to other people? No. Why do they do it to me?

eskielover · Jul 06, 2022 at 11:05 PM

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I find it really hard to do what therapists suggest. They have to light a fire beneath me to get me going. Motivation and apathy are real bad.

That may also be part the aspergers. That is why having a T who understands that part of you may be more help than anything else because they know how to relate to you

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cool09 Poohbah Member Since Feb 2012 Location: Eastern MD Posts: 1,478 12 17 hugs given	Jul 05, 2022 at 03:19 PM #1 I have so many things wrong and I've seen dozens of doctors and therapists the last 5 years and I haven't made any progress. I've taken every medication and ECT with little relief. __________________ I know why you wanna hate me! Cause hate is all the world has seen lately! - Limp Bizkit
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Nammu Crone Member Since May 2010 Location: Some where between my inner mind and the solar system. Posts: 71,350 (SuperPoster!) 13 53.6k hugs given	Jul 05, 2022 at 03:35 PM #2 Have you tried a DBT long term program? __________________ *Nammu* …Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. …... Desiderata Max Ehrmann
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Nammu Crone Member Since May 2010 Location: Some where between my inner mind and the solar system. Posts: 71,350 (SuperPoster!) 13 53.6k hugs given	Jul 05, 2022 at 04:09 PM #4 DBT gives you very specific tools to use and a long term program is designed to help you learn the tools. __________________ *Nammu* …Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. …... Desiderata Max Ehrmann
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cool09 Poohbah Member Since Feb 2012 Location: Eastern MD Posts: 1,478 12 17 hugs given	Jul 05, 2022 at 04:20 PM #5 I have tried CBT over and over. __________________ I know why you wanna hate me! Cause hate is all the world has seen lately! - Limp Bizkit
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Nammu Crone Member Since May 2010 Location: Some where between my inner mind and the solar system. Posts: 71,350 (SuperPoster!) 13 53.6k hugs given	Jul 05, 2022 at 04:52 PM #7 It is the gold standard for personality disorders but useful for many people. __________________ *Nammu* …Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. …... Desiderata Max Ehrmann
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downandlonely Legendary Member Since Mar 2018 Location: United States Posts: 10,760 (SuperPoster!) 6 10.6k hugs given	Jul 05, 2022 at 07:34 PM #10 I believe anxiety is one of the things it helps with. I think it's worth looking into if you haven't tried it before.
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Marie123 Veteran Member Member Since Jan 2011 Posts: 574 13 29 hugs given	Jul 06, 2022 at 06:56 AM #12 i have heard that EMDR can be helpful.
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unaluna Elder Harridan x-hankster Member Since Jun 2011 Location: Milan/Michigan Posts: 39,863 (SuperPoster!) 12 66.4k hugs given	Jul 06, 2022 at 04:32 PM #15 You know the joke: "but the lightbulb has to WANT to change!" DBT and CBT arent interchangeable. DBT was created BY a crazy person, FOR crazy people. How can you beat a recommendation like that?
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