Everyone hates me.

mar dhea · Aug 05, 2023 at 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eskielover

Problem with calling those names it is only your opinion....the other side may see you in the same way. Which side is right? So we get into the "truth is relative" but which relative is right.....they can't both be

Fascism the ideology and the fascist/fascist-like behaviors stemming from it have been long defined and well enough documented for most [thankfully] to easily recognize. As it stands these days...most can see the problems extant with that ideology and it's never been difficult to see how and where it's fomenting. Never difficult. Long established and ongoing observation by responsible political scientists define what fascist ideology and fascistic ideals/behaviors are Eskie...not opinion.

mar dhea · 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by unaluna

Besides which, its kind of an internet meme that if in an argument you compare the other person to Hitler unfavorably, you automatically lose.

Its called Godwin's Law.

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Wiki...Mike Godwin

Godwin originated Godwin's law in 1990,[1] stating:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

Godwin believes the ubiquity of such comparisons trivializes the Holocaust, which he finds regrettable.[36][37] He has since made it clear that, in his opinion, the alt-right, especially the participants in the 2017 Charlottesville Unite the Right rally, deserve comparisons to the Nazis.[38]

Yep. Mike knows who's who as well. I'll stand with him any day.

[edit] No disrespect Eskie. I have a serious problem with bullies is all and the typical fascist-fan is a bully. I know the song and stomp when I see it.

eskielover · Aug 05, 2023 at 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mar dhea

Fascism the ideology and the fascist/fascist-like behaviors stemming from it have been long defined and well enough documented for most [thankfully] to easily recognize. As it stands these days...most can see the problems extant with that ideology and it's never been difficult to see how and where it's fomenting. Never difficult. Long established and ongoing observation by responsible political scientists define what fascist ideology and fascistic ideals/behaviors are Eskie...not opinion.

Yes but these days terms are thrown around just to call people something & the real meaning is of no importance to them so it has become meaningless

mar dhea · Aug 05, 2023 at 12:38 PM

If you think so then that's how you see it. Most recognize where the threat of modern fascism lies and how it manifests. Fascism has never died and many groups/individuals are using it's tenets to this day. That activity has been well documented and has been for decades.

To most that threat isn't 'meaningless'. The origins of modern fascism are well enough documented. Jesus Eskie. It's not difficult to read the stats and history of this stuff in modern democracies since WW2. If you'd like to remain where you are on your stance then carry on. I can't afford the time to run in circles on this.

mar dhea · Aug 05, 2023 at 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eskielover

Yes but these days terms are thrown around just to call people something & the real meaning is of no importance to them so it has become meaningless

I'll leave with a little light reading. MOST are aware of those referred to in this short para. MOST recognize the danger. But as I say...believe what you need to.

Groups which are identified as neo-fascist in the United States generally include neo-Nazi organizations and movements such as the Proud Boys,[94] the National Alliance, and the American Nazi Party. The Institute for Historical Review publishes negationist historical papers which are often of an antisemitic nature. The alt-right—a loosely connected coalition of individuals and organizations which advocates a wide range of far-right ideas, from neoreactionaries to white nationalists—is often included under the umbrella term "neo-fascist", because alt-right individuals and organizations advocate a radical form of authoritarian ultranationalism.[95][96]

Wave whatever flag you like Eskie. Most modern western democracies will let you do that.

mar dhea · Aug 05, 2023 at 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Esmme

I know this sounds dramatic, but it feels so, so true right now.

Recently, I had an issue with someone being transphobic towards me in private messages to my friends. (This is on another site) So I brought it to the staff, who promptly banned me on the idea that me telling them someone is transphobic is "slander".

Before that, I had questioned one of the staff's character because they were best friends with said transphobic person. This led to me being verbally assaulted by their friends and me being told, "You can't judge people based on who they are friends with". Which, I completely disagree with.

Before *that* even, I told someone that I believe that people who actively harm the LGBTQ+ community are similar (if not the same) as Nazis, to which I was told that that was an "insult". :/ They got extremely angry with me that I would compare the trans genocide in the USA to the Holocaust. And I agreed, a direct comparison can't be made, but they can be compared in the sense that they are both BAD. But that didn't stop them from getting angry at me...

It just feels like everything I say ends up making someone mad. Like, everyone hates me over these things... I feel awful because I honestly don't think I did anything particularly "wrong" to deserve being treated like this. It feels like everyone is mad at me and I can't do anything to change their minds...

Apologies from Eskie and myself Esmme. We became a little sidetracked. Persuction is certainly evident in the LGBTQ+ community and the rise in recent years cannot be denied. Many other vulnerable groups have seen an uptick in abuse from certain religious and/or politically-based fronts. Your concern is valid. I wish I had better answers for you right now. I hope you're well and take care ok?

Discombobulated · Aug 05, 2023 at 02:50 PM

I don’t hate you either!

Idk sometimes online there can be cliques idk if that was the case here and you found yourself on the wrong side of one?

Was this a forum you previously felt welcome in? I’m asking because it sounds like it mightn’t have been a truly accepting place?

Hoping you can find a place online (and irl) where you do feel accepted and welcome.

nonightowl · Aug 10, 2023 at 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Discombobulated

I don’t hate you either!

Idk sometimes online there can be cliques idk if that was the case here and you found yourself on the wrong side of one?

Was this a forum you previously felt welcome in? I’m asking because it sounds like it mightn’t have been a truly accepting place?

Hoping you can find a place online (and irl) where you do feel accepted and welcome.

I don't hate you either.

Agree with Discomb, there's cliques online and IRL. I've seen mean people online on many forums, but sadly they exist out there too.

I too hope you find a place of acceptance, where ever it may be.

Buffy01 · Aug 15, 2023 at 06:57 PM

I never hated you :hug

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