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View Poll Results: What should we do to improve way our mental hospitals are runned?
get more funding to build more hospitals 4 40.00%
get more funding to build more hospitals
4 40.00%
encourage people to do volunteer work in our existing facilities 2 20.00%
encourage people to do volunteer work in our existing facilities
2 20.00%
encourage more people to get a career in psychology/psychiatry 4 40.00%
encourage more people to get a career in psychology/psychiatry
4 40.00%
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Old Nov 19, 2004, 07:13 PM
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for anyone who is interested in improving our mental health system and want to tell me any suggestions on this issue please email me at toddbabin1984@yahoo.com or PM me on this website

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Old Nov 19, 2004, 07:44 PM
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None of the above.

Funding to build more won't lower the cost of treatment to those needing it or conversely improve the quality of treatment at low-cost places.

Volunteers are not professionally trained, and people working with us need to be professionally trained or they won't know how to handle it.

The only one that MIGHT be apropos is encouraging more people to get a career in the field. But that won't necessarily improve the quality of care OR of hospital administration, nor will it lower the cost of inpatient treatment and make it more accessible to those who need it.

I voted for the last one, but I don't think any of them will do the trick.
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Old Nov 19, 2004, 07:46 PM
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Todd I see you're a volunteer. Please feel free to correct any misinterpretations or misgivings I voiced about that above from your own experience and training. mental hospitals
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Old Nov 19, 2004, 09:35 PM
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Austin State Mental Hospital in Texas has a volunteer program does non- professional work not talking about treating patients directly just like you don't need to be a M.D. or nurse to volunteer at a general hospital.
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What we need is more consumer run support groups to access after hours.
These are very successful for consumers, and have been an asset to our t's
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Old Nov 20, 2004, 12:52 AM
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Hi Todd!

I can see how volunteers can help mental hospitals run more efficiently.

Psych nurses and psych techs are overworked and overburdened with routine things that could probably be handled by a volunteer, leaving them more time to spend with patients.

That's just a guess. And I'm not sure about how much access a volunteer would have in a psych hospital to help in such a way. But it's just a thought.

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Old Nov 20, 2004, 01:37 PM
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these are all good ideas -- anything to reduce costs of operations as well as busy-work load on professionals is bound to have good repercussions.

another idea I've heard of before is something like a semi-patient-run hospital. this could have tremendous benefits in terms of patients advocating for patients, and if conducted properly under the supervision of intelligent, caring, compassionate professionals could be really successful. i can't remember where i heard or read about this though, sorry. it sounded really cool.
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sigh. what we need we can't expect to have: a system that works. This would be a multi-dimensional team of doctors of your own choosing who talk to each other on your behalf, have the wherewithal to discuss and follow through on everything from medicines to talk therapy (diet, work, exercise, allergies, disability etc in between.) Unfortunately, the mangled care system we have stopped ALL of that.

Our care is manipulated and often decided by insurance companies and politicians. But it is good to see ppl who are still hopeful about it all: you must be young. sigh.
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Old Nov 21, 2004, 04:34 PM
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We need more psychiatrists. When I was in the hospital I only saw mine like 3 times the whole time I was in there. Having a psychiatrist in charge of a whole hospital has gotta be hard.
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Old Nov 22, 2004, 12:34 AM
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mental hospitals ohhh, the Managed Care System....

The days of going to a MD of choice and seeing a Psychiatrist who I am COMFORTABLE with are gone for me.

I have multiple disorders, and all of this being 'managed' for me by people who do not even know me. Being so depressed causing me to almost give up as I am sick only too depressed to go through all of the procedures and red tape it takes to even get the healthcare providers I need, as most are not included in my plan or need prior authorization from the ONE MD who I have no choice in to even refer me.

Even the Meds 'allowed' from a list of managed care people at the state keep changing monthly. I'm 'Locked in' to this insurance program. So overwhelming to go through. New Hospitals is good only possible to make the existing ones treat patients humane, and at least as human beings.

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Old Nov 23, 2004, 05:33 PM
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I went with more funding, but not so much to build more hospitals. More funding to improve the hospitals we have. Improve them by raising salaries of mental health workers so more people would be willing to do the job. That way they can get rid of the crappy ones willing to do the job for less. Also more funding on an outpatient basis. People would be less apt to need the hospital if they could get continuing quality treatment on an outpatient basis. At an affordable price.

I am lucky. My insurance just changed. I can see any primary care physician I want. Also I do not need referrals for specialists anymore. The only thing that did not change was mental health benefits. My doctor still needs to get our appointments preapproved. If she does not make it sound like I am in dire need of help, they approve less visits. I also drive 45 minutes to see her, beacuae she was one of just a few in my area willing to take my mental health insurance.

I do feel for a friend of mine. She is on MassHealth or something like that. Her doctor gave her a prescription for something to help her sleep. 1 pill per day. The insurance will only cover half that. Hmmmm.... maybe I should suggest Trazodone as a possible alternative. The last few times I picked up my script, they didn't even go through my insurance. It was cheaper for me that way.
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I like that semi-patient-run idea. My contribution would be to make it less like a hospital. I've been wondering about how some of the ideas in place where I work could also be used with adults. I work at a residential treatment facility for teenage girls. It's more like a boarding school than it is like a hospital, except with closer supervision and more structure. The girls have very little free time - if they are not in school, they are in groups (which teach life skills, recreation, various educational topics, support groups such as for substance abuse, or co-dependency), or they are working on something. Of course they have therapy too - at least weekly and sometimes more, plus group sessions with the therapist. The residents do the cleaning, cooking, their own laundry. There are also service projects, oh, and the essay room, where the girls wind up as consequences if they aren't doing the program and following the rules. There are various jobs that residents get, which include running some of the groups, and doing the food orders. Upper level girls have some authority over the ones who haven't earned those levels yet, and can consequence other residents, and even occasionally supervise them with staff nearby but not right there watching everything. The girls who make it to the upper levels develop so much confidence, and leadership skills. I really admire them.

A lot of this stuff could be applicable in treating adults. Rather than removing people entirely from the realities of life, how about placing them in a supported environment where they continue to be responsible for themselves, and for others, and carry on with life's progression. Part of the program could include classes, as well as service, and why not paid work? Wouldn't that contribute to a greater sense of competence in the patients, as well as reducing costs? Of course, there would still need to be enough paid staff to supervise everyone and keep them safe, and keep them moving along in the program. Even someone needing one-on-one supervision could still participate in just about all of the activities, including work as appropriate.

Oh, and I'm not sure that higher salaries for staff would improve a program. I get $6 an hour for what I do, and I have a bachelors degree. Some of the girls talk about having made at least that much working in fast food. The other day, one of the girls asked me why I was working there, and I told her that I like being there, and I learn a lot, and feel that it's worthwhile, and also good experience. When I asked if she liked that answer, she told me that she likes to know that we aren't just working there for the money. Since they don't pay us that much, I could assure her that anybody working for the money would not stay very long. But the downside is, the turnover rate is high. Good staff get better offers someplace else, and can't afford not to leave. So, money is a necessary thing, but also not the solution either.

Just a few thoughts,
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Old Nov 26, 2004, 09:53 AM
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Rather than removing people entirely from the realities of life, how about placing them in a supported environment where they continue to be responsible for themselves, and for others, and carry on with life's progression.

</div></font></blockquote><font class="post">I love what you have written here. One thing I learned as a teenager was that if I was sick enough, I would be hospitalized. Hospitals became a habit for me whenever life got to be too much. It was a way to escape the responsibilities of life for awhile. This was not a good lesson to learn at such a young age. I have remained hospital free for 15 years. A few times in the past few years, it has been suggested that I enter partial hospitalization, but I always refused. I was always afraid that I would say or do the wrong thing and end up being locked up.

Your job sounds great. I would enjoy a job like yours. But I still think it is not right that you have a degree and get paid $6 per hour. Those kids are worth more than that and so are you. And like you said the turnover is high because of the pay. It is too bad some of the good people couldn't stay at least part time.
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Hi, Todd,

All of the above? I would also like to see some laws change to support getting people the care they need / whether in patient or out patient. There doesn't seem to be the legal support nor the cultural support mentally ill people need. I didn't actually vote - because I can't vote for all three. I think public education is very important. I don't see much of it, and when I do it is often tied to a morality issue. There is a community in Europe that is responsible for it's own, and the community takes care of those that are ill. It's a wonderful example of compassion and the care needed. I'd love to see that here in the States.

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