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#21
I wonder if instead of requiring insurance, it would make more sense to provide more low-cost veterinary care. For Chile, my municipality is pretty innovative. They operate a shelter that takes in strays and adopt them out. They also have a low-cost veterinary clinic. Where I used to live, the municipal government would hold free vaccination days and spay/neuter days. For the spay/neuter events, they only asked people to bring some sort of cleaning supplies like paper towels, garbage bags, disinfectant, etc., so they could keep the area where the vets were operating clean. I know other municipal governments have similar initiatives.
I've lived in this country for a long time and it's interesting to see the progress that has been made as far as encouraging responsible ownership. It's not perfect by any means, but there used to be so many stray animals all over the place. You still see strays, but the numbers have come down. |
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We are not required to have insurance on pets though I've heard of some areas that require liability insurance for certain breeds of dogs.
No legal requirement about chipping either. Cats and dogs are required to have annual rabies shots, then be registered with the county. The rabies shot makes sense for pets that go outside. The registration is a way to collect money as far as I'm concerned. For my cats that never leave the house I don't get them rabies vaccines. They never leave the house so they are never going to be exposed. There are low cost spay/neuter clinics. The county shelter will spay/neuter cats and dogs for free. Any pet adopted from the shelter is spayed or neutered, tested for heartworms (and treated if positive or started on preventative if negative), tested for internal parasites and treated if necessary, given all shots and microchipped. I got Hazel for free because I'm a senior. Regular adoption fee is like $20. |
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Cote my crazy little puppy came from the breeder with 1 month vet insurance which I renewed after I got him home. Even with deworming at his breeder, I gave him the next dose a month later & I have never seen a dog with so many round worms. Wasn't sure if it was an ongoing thing or an immune issue so I have insurance on him till I know everything is ok. Going to make an appointment for him to have a check up & final shots. Around here, the raccoons get canine distemper so it is not just other dogs to be concerned about. None of my fur babies go outside without me & Bella kitty has never been outside since I got her & she has no interest. Gabe loves to sneek out the door but stays right around the front porch or around where I am working. After losing BK (barn kitty) to a coyote last year when I was sick, I make sure Gabe is inside at night & he wants to be inside. My daughter had insurance on her soulmate doggie she lost last thanksgiving with heart issues. I paid for all the vet bills the insurance didn't cover. It still added up & took me 6 months to get them paid off using Care Credit (no interest). I have paid more vet bills in the last 5 years....I could have mor than paid for the foundation work needed on my garage. But paying for that many animals insurance premiums would have cost too much also. Works ok for one but not when you have a house full. __________________ Leo's favorite place was in the passenger seat of my truck. We went everywhere together like this. Leo my soulmate will live in my heart FOREVER Nov 1, 2002 - Dec 16, 2018 |
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I am a professional dog trainer, and every single animal related association has disavowed Milan's "techniques" (which are basically just abuse). He was banned from training in Germany for his techniques. It's not uncommon for people to see Milan and recommend him, because his training style was flashy and sexy and they put him on TV. It's hard not to see this "quick fix" and think it actually works. Real behavior change takes time. For those who are interested in building relationships with their dogs in a positive manner that isn't abusive, check out Susan Garrett, Karen Pryor, Ian Dunbar. Books like Click to Calm and Calm Unleashed are really great for addressing reactivity and other problem behaviors in humane, ethical ways that get results. __________________ What if I fall? Oh, my dear, but what if you fly? Primary Dx: C-PTSD and Severe Chronic Treatment Resistant Major Depressive Disorder Secondary Dx: Generalized Anxiety Disorder with mild Agoraphobia. Meds I've tried: Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Remeron, Elavil, Wellbutrin, Risperidone, Abilify, Prazosin, Paxil, Trazadone, Tramadol, Topomax, Xanax, Propranolol, Valium, Visteril, Vraylar, Selinor, Clonopin, Ambien Treatments I've done: CBT, DBT, Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), Talk therapy, psychotherapy, exercise, diet, sleeping more, sleeping less... |
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__________________ Social Anxiety and Depression. Cluster C traits. Trying to improve my English. My apologies for errors and mistakes in advance. Mankind is complex: Make deserts blossom and lakes die. ( GIL SCOTT-HERSON) |
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I’m so mad at them. __________________ Social Anxiety and Depression. Cluster C traits. Trying to improve my English. My apologies for errors and mistakes in advance. Mankind is complex: Make deserts blossom and lakes die. ( GIL SCOTT-HERSON) |
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I didn’t know all these changes in dogs’ behaviours Cesar Millan promoted had no continuation in time. I loved the part in which he shows how a dog sees the world. I take it this part. For me it was a way to know how to respect dogs’ nature. I don’t see Cesar’s techniques as abusive. Of course, what I only see is what’s shown on his videos. __________________ Social Anxiety and Depression. Cluster C traits. Trying to improve my English. My apologies for errors and mistakes in advance. Mankind is complex: Make deserts blossom and lakes die. ( GIL SCOTT-HERSON) |
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Lol....my black lab I adopted at 3 1/2 years old is wonderful on leash & taught Cote to sit for his food at 8 weeks old by example HOWEVER off leash she is down the road like a "Bat outta #@[[" until I drive my truck to get her & she loves to go for rides but she will not "come" when called outside. __________________ Leo's favorite place was in the passenger seat of my truck. We went everywhere together like this. Leo my soulmate will live in my heart FOREVER Nov 1, 2002 - Dec 16, 2018 |
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He uses what's called coercive training techniques. It's downright abuse, doesn't matter if you see it thar way or not. Poking, prodding, and other wise manhandling dogs the way he does is abuse and studies have shown it does not improve dog behavior but rather worsens it. Humans are not dogs and your dog doesn't think you are one. When Cesar tells people to jab their dogs like they are a dog giving a correction, that is simply abuse. When he tells people to do alpha rolls, which do not do anything to improve behavior, it's abuse. He frequently purposely pushes dogs over threshold so they will bite on camera. Harassing an animal for a reaction because it makes good TV is abuse. I really implore you to look up some of the trainers I mentioned to see what good, positive reinforcement based, relationship based training and behavior change looks like. Milan, unfortunately, has done a lot of harm because he looked good on camera and a lot of people liked the idea of "dominating" their dogs. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk __________________ What if I fall? Oh, my dear, but what if you fly? Primary Dx: C-PTSD and Severe Chronic Treatment Resistant Major Depressive Disorder Secondary Dx: Generalized Anxiety Disorder with mild Agoraphobia. Meds I've tried: Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Remeron, Elavil, Wellbutrin, Risperidone, Abilify, Prazosin, Paxil, Trazadone, Tramadol, Topomax, Xanax, Propranolol, Valium, Visteril, Vraylar, Selinor, Clonopin, Ambien Treatments I've done: CBT, DBT, Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), Talk therapy, psychotherapy, exercise, diet, sleeping more, sleeping less... |
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Herding nipping can definitely be challenging but there are good, humane ways to deal with it. Just like all dogs learn bite inhibition, herders have to learn not to nip. Yeah, leashes can be super hard for dogs that are used to roaming. So can recall. I've been working on recall with Algo Mas for the last year and it's good, and I'm getting some recall off squirrels but sometimes those squirrels are too much. Other distractions, no problem. I always say it's important to figure out what your goals are for your dog and just work on that. Not every dog needs to be perfect on leash or have a 3 minute stay or perfect obedience. The dog needs to have whatever helps them fit in your life, that's all. I'm working with a couple right now who are getting ready to have a baby and they just want to walk their golden with the stroller. So we are working on loose leash walking and calm on leash behavior. Nothing fancy. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk __________________ What if I fall? Oh, my dear, but what if you fly? Primary Dx: C-PTSD and Severe Chronic Treatment Resistant Major Depressive Disorder Secondary Dx: Generalized Anxiety Disorder with mild Agoraphobia. Meds I've tried: Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Remeron, Elavil, Wellbutrin, Risperidone, Abilify, Prazosin, Paxil, Trazadone, Tramadol, Topomax, Xanax, Propranolol, Valium, Visteril, Vraylar, Selinor, Clonopin, Ambien Treatments I've done: CBT, DBT, Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), Talk therapy, psychotherapy, exercise, diet, sleeping more, sleeping less... |
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As for the nipping I have a squirt bottle filled with white vinegar. It has taken awhile but he may nip bit then stops himself unless that brain switch turned off. He does those same herding moves when playing with Sophie so I recognize them when he tries it with me & stop him immediately. Lol....the squirt bottle of vinegar works great against counter surfing which he thinks is fun now he is big enough to see everything & be able to reach it too. The squirt bottle works from across the room too so the correction can be immediate __________________ Leo's favorite place was in the passenger seat of my truck. We went everywhere together like this. Leo my soulmate will live in my heart FOREVER Nov 1, 2002 - Dec 16, 2018 |
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Positive punishment only temporarily suppresses behavior, it doesn't change it long term and doesnt address the root cause. Meaning any time you aren't around to enforce the correction, the dog will take the opportunity to countersurf. Susan Garrett has a game called It's Yer Choice (IYC) that is much better for teaching the kind of impulse control you're looking for. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk __________________ What if I fall? Oh, my dear, but what if you fly? Primary Dx: C-PTSD and Severe Chronic Treatment Resistant Major Depressive Disorder Secondary Dx: Generalized Anxiety Disorder with mild Agoraphobia. Meds I've tried: Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Remeron, Elavil, Wellbutrin, Risperidone, Abilify, Prazosin, Paxil, Trazadone, Tramadol, Topomax, Xanax, Propranolol, Valium, Visteril, Vraylar, Selinor, Clonopin, Ambien Treatments I've done: CBT, DBT, Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), Talk therapy, psychotherapy, exercise, diet, sleeping more, sleeping less... |
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Seesaw, thanks for saying Milan is abusive. I was going to say that, but I believe it carries more weight coming from a professional.
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__________________ Leo's favorite place was in the passenger seat of my truck. We went everywhere together like this. Leo my soulmate will live in my heart FOREVER Nov 1, 2002 - Dec 16, 2018 |
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__________________ Social Anxiety and Depression. Cluster C traits. Trying to improve my English. My apologies for errors and mistakes in advance. Mankind is complex: Make deserts blossom and lakes die. ( GIL SCOTT-HERSON) |
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I used César Millán’s techniques to help Miky overcome his fears: motorbikes noises, bangs. For example, I used to approach him to where the noise came. Kind of desensitization. All in a calm way. As saying to him, nothing happens. That’s normal. He overcame his fears but now I don’t know if I was abusive with him. __________________ Social Anxiety and Depression. Cluster C traits. Trying to improve my English. My apologies for errors and mistakes in advance. Mankind is complex: Make deserts blossom and lakes die. ( GIL SCOTT-HERSON) Last edited by AzulOscuro; Oct 21, 2023 at 02:32 PM.. |
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“I always say it's important to figure out what your goals are for your dog and just work on that. Not every dog needs to be perfect on leash or have a 3 minute stay or perfect obedience. The dog needs to have whatever helps them fit in your life, that's all.” That is so true. eskieslover’s quote “Cote is counter surfing for things he can play with even though he has many toys to play with. “ Difficult situation. I never had that problem. Miky was small and Perla is small. I’m wondering myself what I would do in that situation. I’ve seen so many videos of César Millán that I can’t across now about other techniques. I guess you have to be very patience and reinforce him to keep distance with the kitchen or an area of the kitchen. Short orders and award him when being calm and keep the distance. I think you already tried it, didn’t you? He will need a long time to associate but it’s worthy. Counters are very appealing. lol! __________________ Social Anxiety and Depression. Cluster C traits. Trying to improve my English. My apologies for errors and mistakes in advance. Mankind is complex: Make deserts blossom and lakes die. ( GIL SCOTT-HERSON) |
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