Problems with doggies

I'm starting this thread for people who are having a problem with their dog and need some help.

First off:

President Biden’s Dog Commander Bites Another Secret Service Agent (Here’s How a Responsible Dog Parent Should Respond)

I'll add the name of dog trainer Cesar Millan who is like a dog whisperer and has videos on YouTube.

Joe Biden’s dog removed from White House after biting at least 11 staff


I'm surprised rthey didn't "retire" Commander earlier.

LOL....I have to say my new Aussie Shepherd is a Herding breed & part of their herding instinct is to nip at legs & feet. I have had more nip marks & scratches from Cote than I ever had from my cats & Gabe kitty & I play "tough kitty" at times just to have fun. I seriously keep a spray bottle of white vinegar close be for Cote to try & train him not to nip but it is a game with him. He doesn't nip me from in front now but runs around behind & nips me in the rear & then runs to keep from being squirted. Hard to be serious & not laugh when trying to train that behavior out of him....ugh.

The loud shaker can doesn't work well either because he is just too curious & thinks it is a new play toy that attacked him. The vinegar works best for all things even counter surfing cause I am a good aim & can nail him from across the room. He is only 4 months old so training started as soon as I knew what issues I needed to deal with. Go figure, at 8 weeks old (2nd night home) he was doing a sit for every meal & water. He didn't learn it at the breeder but my other older black lab I adopted last Jan always sits for meals & he saw her doing it & must have thought "that's what you are supposed to do".

I like limited training as for good behavior & socialization but I never want my dogs to lose their personalities & who they are. Have been thinking about herding for Cote when older. Had to laugh cause the cows were at the fence this morning & when he saw them he stopped, looked, then did h.is puppy growly/bark at them until they moved out into the field. He definitely stood his ground safely on our side of the fence.

I've been wondering how they can be trained hot to nip. Is it possible?

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Originally Posted by Travelinglady I've been wondering how they can be trained hot to nip. Is it possible?

They can be trained to know when it is ok for herding animals but not on people. Takes a lot of consistent work on it & then there is like a lightbulb moment when they finally get it. I am hoping we had one of those moments tonight cause he has been excited & nipping again today. We will see....but I do keep working on this problem.

I realize he jumps up on me because as a puppy it was easier to reach him when he did. But the bigger he gets the more difficult this behavior can be. I just walk right into him when he does it & it just knocks him off but there are still times when we do our hugs & loves when he stands up on me. These mixed messages make training on that difficult. Training must be consistant for them to learn.

He comes when I call & goes where I point all off leash....lol....my eskie doggies never did that unless it was "go truck" which meant a ride

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Originally Posted by Travelinglady Joe Biden’s dog removed from White House after biting at least 11 staff I'm surprised rthey didn't "retire" Commander earlier.

Sometimes people will do nothing until they are forced to take an action especially when it comes to pets. Hoping the behavior will just go away or be tolerated.....then is escalates & something has to be done

Cesar Millan is the Master. I already followed his videos before having my first doggie, Perla. And it was very helpful.

Here I go.
A new law has been approved in relation to pets’ rights. Many points seem more a punishment for owners and a charge of taxes. So, it will make more difficult to find people who adopt. 🙄

For example, any pet has to be covered by an insurance. I don’t know if this is a norm in your countries, too.

Cesar Milan has no credentials to speak of and bases his training off of since disproven wolf alpha theories. Most of his training reverts right back to where it was or worse.

I am a professional dog trainer, and every single animal related association has disavowed Milan's "techniques" (which are basically just abuse). He was banned from training in Germany for his techniques.

It's not uncommon for people to see Milan and recommend him, because his training style was flashy and sexy and they put him on TV. It's hard not to see this "quick fix" and think it actually works. Real behavior change takes time.

For those who are interested in building relationships with their dogs in a positive manner that isn't abusive, check out Susan Garrett, Karen Pryor, Ian Dunbar.

Books like Click to Calm and Calm Unleashed are really great for addressing reactivity and other problem behaviors in humane, ethical ways that get results.

Interesting! I’m not a professional at this topic so my opinion has less basement than yours.
I didn’t know all these changes in dogs’ behaviours Cesar Millan promoted had no continuation in time.

I loved the part in which he shows how a dog sees the world. I take it this part. For me it was a way to know how to respect dogs’ nature.

I don’t see Cesar’s techniques as abusive. Of course, what I only see is what’s shown on his videos.

He doesn't know how dogs see the world. Most of what he spreads is complete misinformation. Dominance theory, which is what he spreads, was debunked years ago.

He uses what's called coercive training techniques. It's downright abuse, doesn't matter if you see it thar way or not. Poking, prodding, and other wise manhandling dogs the way he does is abuse and studies have shown it does not improve dog behavior but rather worsens it.

Humans are not dogs and your dog doesn't think you are one. When Cesar tells people to jab their dogs like they are a dog giving a correction, that is simply abuse. When he tells people to do alpha rolls, which do not do anything to improve behavior, it's abuse.

He frequently purposely pushes dogs over threshold so they will bite on camera. Harassing an animal for a reaction because it makes good TV is abuse.

I really implore you to look up some of the trainers I mentioned to see what good, positive reinforcement based, relationship based training and behavior change looks like.

Milan, unfortunately, has done a lot of harm because he looked good on camera and a lot of people liked the idea of "dominating" their dogs.

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Don’t worry. Your words don’t fall into deaf ears. You know I take into account all you say in your posts, much more, in this topic in which you are an expert. 👍

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Originally Posted by seesaw Cesar Milan has no credentials to speak of and bases his training off of since disproven wolf alpha theories. Most of his training reverts right back to where it was or worse. I am a professional dog trainer, and every single animal related association has disavowed Milan's "techniques" (which are basically just abuse). He was banned from training in Germany for his techniques. It's not uncommon for people to see Milan and recommend him, because his training style was flashy and sexy and they put him on TV. It's hard not to see this "quick fix" and think it actually works. Real behavior change takes time. For those who are interested in building relationships with their dogs in a positive manner that isn't abusive, check out Susan Garrett, Karen Pryor, Ian Dunbar. Books like Click to Calm and Calm Unleashed are really great for addressing reactivity and other problem behaviors in humane, ethical ways that get results.

Exactly why I love training my dogs at a personal level. I refuse to break their spirit or personality. I have found the herding nipping is actually controlled in his own mind now even at only 5 months old. He used to just carried away & it was his way of playing. Now if he connects in a nip on me he immediately stops unless he has just been wresteling with Sophie. His puppy mind doesn't switch gears that quickly. I want training where I create a bonding connection which is done with kindness & love. Cote is the first puppy I have actually worked this closely with because I am now in a place where I can & life frustrations like I had are in the past. Probably his Aussie Shepherd breed but I have never had such an easy puppy to train almost without thinking, just indicating consistently what I want him to do & just a quick reminder when he gets into something & praise when he stops. He is a wonderful companion & perfect off leash at 5 months.

Lol....my black lab I adopted at 3 1/2 years old is wonderful on leash & taught Cote to sit for his food at 8 weeks old by example HOWEVER off leash she is down the road like a "Bat outta #@[[" until I drive my truck to get her & she loves to go for rides but she will not "come" when called outside.

Good training should amplify the parts of his personality you love, not dampen them. My dogs are known for their personalities, lol, and they have loads of training.

Herding nipping can definitely be challenging but there are good, humane ways to deal with it. Just like all dogs learn bite inhibition, herders have to learn not to nip.

Yeah, leashes can be super hard for dogs that are used to roaming. So can recall. I've been working on recall with Algo Mas for the last year and it's good, and I'm getting some recall off squirrels but sometimes those squirrels are too much. Other distractions, no problem.

I always say it's important to figure out what your goals are for your dog and just work on that. Not every dog needs to be perfect on leash or have a 3 minute stay or perfect obedience. The dog needs to have whatever helps them fit in your life, that's all.

I'm working with a couple right now who are getting ready to have a baby and they just want to walk their golden with the stroller. So we are working on loose leash walking and calm on leash behavior. Nothing fancy.

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Originally Posted by seesaw Good training should amplify the parts of his personality you love, not dampen them. My dogs are known for their personalities, lol, and they have loads of training. Herding nipping can definitely be challenging but there are good, humane ways to deal with it. Just like all dogs learn bite inhibition, herders have to learn not to nip. Yeah, leashes can be super hard for dogs that are used to roaming. So can recall. I've been working on recall with Algo Mas for the last year and it's good, and I'm getting some recall off squirrels but sometimes those squirrels are too much. Other distractions, no problem. I always say it's important to figure out what your goals are for your dog and just work on that. Not every dog needs to be perfect on leash or have a 3 minute stay or perfect obedience. The dog needs to have whatever helps them fit in your life, that's all. I'm working with a couple right now who are getting ready to have a baby and they just want to walk their golden with the stroller. So we are working on loose leash walking and calm on leash behavior. Nothing fancy. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

Had to laugh at Cote's first encounter with cows the other day.....at my fence line with the neighbors cows. He got so excited however his barking brought them ALL closer to the fence to see what the noise was & he wasn't so sure about that. He also has some amazing "afterburner" speed so he may be interested in agility. I will introduce him to some of those things he is good at just to see if he has any interest. He sure enjoys walking /running around my farm with me. He loves finding sticks & playing keep away from me.

As for the nipping I have a squirt bottle filled with white vinegar. It has taken awhile but he may nip bit then stops himself unless that brain switch turned off. He does those same herding moves when playing with Sophie so I recognize them when he tries it with me & stop him immediately. Lol....the squirt bottle of vinegar works great against counter surfing which he thinks is fun now he is big enough to see everything & be able to reach it too. The squirt bottle works from across the room too so the correction can be immediate

Eskie, how about continuing to teach Cote that jumping on you is not acceptable, then teach him a visual cue for a hug?

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Originally Posted by lizardlady Eskie, how about continuing to teach Cote that jumping on you is not acceptable, then teach him a visual cue for a hug?

Great idea. My eskies really never jumped on me so never had that to think about. He is so good with visual cues that will work great

Ugh, I am already dreading taking Helmut to the vet for his annual checkup. He behaves so badly he has to be muzzled. I think it goes back to when we neutered him. We brought him in early in the AM and they were supposed to do the surgery around 10 AM. It turned out they had to do two emergency surgeries and he didn't go into surgery until 5 PM. So, he spent the whole day in the kennel without being able to eat. The vet went to do a pre-surgery check on his family jewels and he bit the vet. The vet assistant freaked out at me about that and made us take him home even though he was still very dopey. I'd have preferred for him to stay overnight. It was definitely traumatic for him.


He is so sweet and cuddly with us. However, any time he goes to the vet, it is "The Helmut Show" He barks at other dogs. He has to be muzzled. The thing is, vet clinic staff don't seem to believe us because he looks like such a fluffy teddy bear. We have to insist on the muzzle and if it starts to loosen up we have to insist they fix it.


The last time we tried a different clinic that has a patio area by the parking lot, so we could hang out there and walk him around and only take him into the clinic when it was time for him to be seen. Even so, it took me, my husband and the vet to hold him down to vaccinate him. He was baring his teeth through the muzzle. The whole thing was physically exhausting. I'm looking for a better muzzle right now. He may end up looking like Hannibal Lecter at his next appointment! I am also going to ask if there's something they can prescribe to him to calm him down.

When we moved to this house, I did once have a vet come here and vaccinate him and it wasn't so dramatic. My husband has insisted that we need to try to get him used to going to the vet because not everything can be done in a home visit. However, after that last time, I am thinking we need to try home visits again.

Wow, home visits? I've never heard of them. I'm sure poor Helmut is upset, associating with happened to him with a vet's office. Does he act the same way with both male and female vets? Do they wear distinctive attire, like white coats? Just wondering....

The Hannibal Lecter image is kind of funny. I had to laugh at that. Good analogy!