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Default Apr 01, 2021 at 09:55 PM
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Truly, Bill Waterson tapped into something with Calvin & Hobbes that resonates strongly in many. In many ways, these comics are nothing but an illustrated form of the philosophy of Bill Waterson, who questions like we all do; he just has a very eloquent and visually beautiful way of doing so.
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Default Apr 02, 2021 at 02:42 AM
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One day, when I no longer work and have the time and peace for this, I will finally read Sartre's "being and nothing", that I have bought with 16 or so...
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For me, reading philosophy is akin to reading Stephen King for others, I think. Watching A Waking Life was an exercise in madness...the worst part? I perceived the Pattern long before seeing this movie.

What does a rando actor in the middle of the movie you see only in this scene say?

"As the Pattern gets more intricate and subtle, being swept along is no longer enough."

One of the things mentioned as well is that Philip K. D ick once wrote some things into a novel which he thought were fiction, and they turned out to be true. He theorized that time is an illusion and he had had somehow seen through it; thus, we are all existing in the past, and the illusion is meant to distract us because God is imminent.

...yeah, that movie for me was like the moment Alice decided to step through the mirror, and life since continues to grow more and more surreal. So, I guess being bored focuses in on the futility of it all. I see connections, no matter how tenuous and lengthy the chain, as chains of probabilities, and the future is nothing but probabilities at the quantum, zero-spacetime nodes that constitutes the "froth" described by Planck and Heisenberg.
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Makes you wonder, doesn't it, if our minds can't travel in time. I had a vision of the beginning of the end of the world not too long ago, but I don't even know if god exists or not. It's mostly funny, how the mind works. I wish we could laugh at it all the time and not despair over it as we do. And a lot of times it is the questions we despair over, not the answers. The letter, we can arrange ourselves with.

The world is surreal, even physics says so. What we perceive to be true is kind of false considering small particle physics. Etc. Honestly, this is a bit tireing, constently considering what is real or not. No way we can tell. But yeah, it's like reaching through the surface of a lake and realizing your hand is dry, while everyone else does the same thing and either lacks realization or realizes the hand is dry and convinces themself it isn't.

You'd think swallowing the red pill would make life more real. Instead it makes it unrealistic and see-through.

I guess I know which movie to see tonight, though I'm not sure I can bear it.
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The secret, I think, is that it's all fractal. Mandelbrot was on to something. That fractal rhythm is found in all of life and throughout the universe. Frequent pauses to go get fruit snacks helps your mind sort of digest it in chunks.
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Watching A Waking Life was an exercise in madness...the worst part? I perceived the Pattern long before seeing this movie.
That was a really good movie, thank you for mentioning it. Absolutly not an exercise in madness. Much rather a fairly accurate portail of thinking life.
Doing life is of course not completly seperate, but this movie was only about thought and perception and abstraction. Every day life is a lot about doing stuff. The movie did not conver that.
As thinking is jumping as much as dreaming is, it makes a lot of sense to me and does not seem mad at all

You mean you saw the movie coming? Oddly enough, when I read the bible I had the same feeling. It was like I knew things I shouldn't before I read them in the story. I did not grow up in a religios setting at all, the only person that prayed with me was my grandmother, and this was when I was very young.
Perhaps subcociously I new more than I was aware of. Maybe the same thing applies to you? What do you think?
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It wasn't so much that I saw the movie coming, it's that they were talking about the Pattern in the movie after I perceived It--the fractal vision of probability and potential laid out before me like a branching tree, all in swirls of repeating Patterns, some bigger, some smaller. It's like being able to sense which branches go up or down, though terms of direction are really relative. I saw the mathematical perfection of the universe laid out in front of me, and I understood it. That's the key. I understood it intuitively.

Now, I can parse wikipedia reading things like Bohmian Mechanics and the Kaluza-Klein theorem and have a generally good grasp of the concepts I am reading about. The universe is beyond strange--it's purely holographic. If it's all a hologram, that begs the question of who it's for, or what. The implications are mind-bending as they are terrifying to behold.

I do believe we all know more than we're aware of. It's what this author from Fantasy and Science Fiction who said we all live as individuals and when we die, we return to this collective subconscious which is outside of time.

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I see, yes, I do believe everyone understands the workings of the universe on an intuitive level to some degree. Of course, we could not put one foot before the other otherwise. What you discribe goes beyond that, but I do believe many (intelligent?) people have passed that point many times in their lives. It's why we don't care anymore, why we get depressed, because life is just repetitively handing hands out. There is an infinite number of cards, but they vary so little from one card to another that you can take them and do an infitinite number of similar things with it.

And beyond that, understanding concepts is often like understanding music. There are only so many notes to compose from. Mind you, reading a wikipedia article is enough to tease you, but once you study a subject, it becomes a bit harder, and doing it is harder still. A concept of a thing and the thing itself is not the same thing. I study a subject for an hour and I see I understand it, I study it for half a year, and I wonder at the meaning of the simplest thing it consists of.

I too have wondered at the learnign universe and I like the idea very much. At least that would give a very much open ended meaning to our lives.
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All these years, and the only thing I can come up with is that the only question in the entire universe that matters is, "Why?" For me, the intuitive grasp of subjects wherein I know I am lightyears out of my depth was disturbing in and of itself; how am I able to grasp intuitively concepts that often take years to fully perceive? I hate mathematics; yet, the universe has chosen to reveal itself thusly. There are so many variables (over 250 at last count) for life to even form that I cannot understand how someone can look at the totality of it and say, "Yeah, no, that's totally random chance." Pfffff.

Listen, even scientists are in agreement that the Great Expansion of the universe had some "tweaking" done to it--while it was forming! (No, really.) There is literally no other way to account for the results in their equations. The harder they try to remove the possibility of God from the mathematics, the more they find that His fingerprints are everywhere. The other half of it that no one wants to talk about is why the universe should exist at all if there is no one to observe it, and that in itself suggests that without active, conscious observation, the universe itself would collapse into chaos because it is the act of perception that generates reality.

Wikipedia is sampling, I admit, but I feel like I am stuck being able to glean far more information from those articles by information association in my head than most people who just randomly peruse it, and that ability to make connections, most of which are leaps of logic that later prove correct, is terrifying. "Oh, man, I'd love to be able to see the future."

No, you wouldn't. You think you would, but the reality is much different than the fantasy. Instead, it's nothing but nodes of probability, some more dense than others, and I can feel their "gravity," for lack of a better term, without actually being able to see the details. It's like getting an intuitive feeling about things, only those future possibilities are all potential energy, not kinetic. By this, I mean that nothing is set in stone beyond the overall shape of the Pattern; the details are where our "free will" lay. We are stuck in the story arc, but the dialogue is entirely up to us, to put it another way. And every single time the universe repeats, we have this same conversation and neither of us remembers it because the last time, there were slight variations. I may have been Asian. You may have been in Brazil. Russia might not have existed. There might have been two moons.

Reality is like a giant quantum computer where our lives are the electrons that somehow, magically, exist in every single possible timeline, but only one path is executed. Only, every time the universe repeats, we go down a different path, and there are infinite number of paths with infinite variation. These are called "aeons," and are mathematically proven to exist in the Conformal Cyclic Cosmology theorem. Our universe is a giant sine wave that we ride forever.

...how tf do I become bored with the universe as crazy as it is??? What on earth is wrong with me? lmao
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You get bored because infinite repition is infinitly boring. I completely understand. And If indeed you can feel it, you have more reason towards boredom than I.

I saw the future, if one believes in these things. Not a probability-based one, either. It caused me a lot of axiety for sure, partly because I don't truly believe it and this going back and forth on it being possible or not makes my entire body tense with pressure. Most strange for sure. I wrote it down. Took me 4 months. Then I sent it somewhere and I am and have been trying to move past it ever since. The future we see is irrelevant, no? Whether we see it or not doesn't change it, right? And doesn't change our lives either,

And no, scientist acknowledge, as is their perogative, that they don't quite understand all the parameters of creation. They certainly do not say that they know the parameters and that clearly things were manipulated along the way. Subtle difference, but very significant.

This conversation makes me quesy. YOu should look into the Vedas, your "aons" sound like the hindu time periods.
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"Nothing is new under the sun."

Those same vedas also talk about man coming and going from the moon and stars in the vehicles of the gods. Contemporary are Chinese records for the same during a dynasty when it fictional writing was outlawed. And both talk about the gods wiping out civilization with pillars of smoke and fire that spread sickness throughout the lands. Sounds like nuclear war and radiation to me.

The icing on the cake? Supposedly NASA found pagoda-like structures on the far side of the moon during one of the first fly-bys.

Everything is cyclical. Human civilization has most likely risen and fallen multiple times over the course of millions of years. Just look at the Pyramids and the Sphinx--it is increasingly apparent that they are somewhere between 8-10,000 years old--old even to the Ancient Egyptians, and the pyramids being power plants (don't forget the battery that was found, or that Tut's stuff was electroplated) sorta proves that we once had way higher technology. Everything is cyclical on a fractal chain that never ends. lol
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Humanity has risen and fallen multiple times over the course of millions of years, this does not mean we have been to the moon before our current era or the Tutenchamun used electricity.

Re Tutenchamun, it may just be in the color of the paintings on his walls or the stones used, see this article.

Re the structures on the moon, there appears to be an area worth investigation, but we do not know for sure and "worth investigation" does not mean that we or other intelligent species necessarily have been there before (which of course you have already acknowledged). I read the discussion part in this study to research that a bit.

The Vedas state that the god(s) - the brackets I place because a lot of hindu mysticism is based around the statement that "all is one" and all god(s) are facets of one god - create and destroy the world in a perpetual cycle, where each cycle has distinct periods and heros in these periods. I understand we are in the last of these, though I have to re-read that part to be sure. All of this I know from the audiobook "Hinduism for dummies"

Things are cynincal regardless of what I have said above. The romans had sewage systems which were lost etc. There are enough reasons for sure to be cynical, if only because we have hardly advanced ourself, though we have advanced our techniques. But this is simply due to our long lives, as species advance as they reproduce and we quite old.

If the Vedas are true and the world is to be recycled, I am all for it I wonder if we have been this cynicle in the eras past. At least in these, we had to fight for our lives and we died at younger ages and had no birth control to the degree we do now. So we had problems, while now, as we focus on ourselves, we have problems internal to ourselves and to our cultures.
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Legends are born from seeds of truth. Atlantis was Antarctica. Turns out the city of Troy was real. Jericho really did have its walls collapsed...somehow. Moses really did cross the Red Sea (there's Egyptian chariots and weaponry all over the sea bed).

As for Egypt...I'd be very wary of anything put out "officially." This is overseen by Zari Hawass, aka, Mr. "There's Nothing Inside the Great Sphinx!" Then, went on live international tv and was seen crawling out of a hole in the base of the sphinx. But surely, that door behind the Sphinx's right ear isn't a door, just decor! Pfffff. Right. And Aristotle was just drunk on elderberry wine when he wrote that bit about there being a library under the Sphinx greater than that of Alexandria and controlled by the priesthood (which is whom actually ran Egypt, not the Pharaoh), describing it as a labyrinth.

Everything we have been told about Egypt is a lie to perpetuate the myth that mankind rose from the cradle of civilization 6,000 years ago. Right. Just boom, here we are, and look at our advanced mathematics in which we recognized 12 planets, including the sun and moon. That leaves one uncounted planet. Nibiru. I am not in any way shape or form a Nibiru-believer or proponent of the Annunaki myth. But where there is smoke, there is fire, and we've been getting lied to with lazy half-truths and shoddy research. Zari Hawass is not to be believed. There is no way neanderthals had a meeting and decided to get their proverbial crap together and overnight, became astronomers. And remember, the ancient Egyptians themselves said the sphinx and pyramids of Giza were old even in their time. We're talking pre-dynastic Egypt. That, according to mainstream archaeology, would put the Sphinx and Pyramids around 8-10,000 years old, and the erosion patterns in the Sphinx uphold this. I highly recommend, Before They Were Pharaohs. It talks about the powerplant theory, and how the pyramids were nothing but LFE generators to power a civilization that makes ours look like the dark ages by comparison.

Lmao Hinduism and Taoism have struck mighty close to the heart of the nature of reality. And if you notice, that repetition is a FRACTAL. Boom. Fractal mathematics are in everything. lol I told you--we already had this conversation the last aeon. Only, I was a woman, and you were Mongolian. The time before that, I was Japanese and you were probably a man. Any variation you can think of has already either been done, or will be done (in which case, it already has been done thanks to Time itself not actually being linear, only being perceived that way). Nothing is new under the sun. The universe runs pretty much like a quantum computer, sending electrons down all possible paths, but only arriving by one. Which means, those other realities are also occurring simultaneously, depending on how you shift your perspective.

*gets dizzy* I think I need to sit down.
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Still, one might ask to what end? Any thoughts on that?

I'd love if there is a library in/ under the Sphinx <3 You know you put a lot of stuff out there that I am not sure is correct. It's not that I wouldn't believe the Sphinx being hollow, after all, everything else I know they built is hollow, and books can be dangerous, so if it turns out that there is a library in the sphinx I'll believe it, but just because you say is not enough to convince me forgive me.

You mean this book?: Before the Pharaohs: Egypt's Mysterious Prehistory. I'll buy it. I don't think anyone says poof, and here we are, either. After all, noone says the cambrian explosion was overnight ever either.

However, religion I cannot discard. After all, at noon I went for a walk and it started hailing. THe the sun came out and I went for a quick walk and it started hailing. ANd now? Yes, the sun is shining again, so the universe is being difficult today and I am shaking my head.
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There is only one question in the universe that is of any importance: Why? To what end? Because the end is to know why.

The very first maxim in the forecourt of the Temple of Apollo was Gnothi Seauton, or Know Thyself. Why? Because to know thyself is to know God. That is reason enough for the end--the search for the ineffable.

As for the Sphinx, there is a vested interest in the academic status quo--a lot of professors and a lot of tenure on the line that would be upset if and when it is discovered that there are chambers under the Sphinx because the immediate question would then become, as at the beginning of this response, why? Why was it hidden? What was in it? Where was it moved? Why was it suppressed? There is more than mere speculation that there are chambers under the Sphinx. There is photographic proof of Hawass climbing out from a trapdoor at the side, there are photos of the door behind the ear, there is a trap door on top...the priesthood ruled Egypt, not the Pharaohs, and they held the purse strings in addition to holding knowledge. And there is nothing to forgive. These types of ramblings of the mind are very entertaining and stimulating mentally; I love the act of learning. And yes, that is the book. It talks, too, about how many of the words between pre-Mayan words (maybe pre-Incan--can't remember) are similar or identical to the Egyptian language. There's also the similarities of the pyramids as well as the sphinxes...

There are also the existence of the crystal skulls, and yes, they're a real thing that scientists still cannot fully explain. There is no way that stone tools shaped those, and there's evidence that they may have been carved with lasers. Plus, the eyes are lensed. I'm going to simply say it is my belief that they are most likely some kind of optic recording device akin to our optic drives, only far more advanced. All of this points to a level of technology that clearly surpasses our own right now. And how many times has this cycle occurred? How many traces of civilizations long extinct have simply slid into the ocean and into the mantle of the earth as a result of tectonic activity and hundreds of thousands of years?

Let the universe be difficult; at least we are aware that it's all an illusion, and can find entertainment in the simulacrum. lol
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I don't have much advice, but I know how you feel. Sometimes I get so bored I just break down crying because I want to do SOMETHING but there is literally nothing to do.
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