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Old Jul 31, 2014, 03:18 PM
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Shall we send in CBT experts to help survivors get over their cognitive distortions? Via Skype of course.

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Old Jul 31, 2014, 03:31 PM
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Why are you saying this? What point are you making here? This is about you, not these poor people right?
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 04:03 PM
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Assuming you are referring to Gaza. A never-ending tragedy. Yes, I'm sure many there have PTSD. And probably won't get needed care. They barely get what they need to survive, and every cycle of war worsens it.

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Old Jul 31, 2014, 05:15 PM
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Assuming you are referring to Gaza. A never-ending tragedy. Yes, I'm sure many there have PTSD. And probably won't get needed care. They barely get what they need to survive, and every cycle of war worsens it.

I wish there were answers.
There are answers. Don't shell civilians in UN buildings is an answer.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 05:29 PM
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And don't store weapons under a school full of innocent civilians. They're imprisoned by their own as martyrs and it's horrible for them.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 05:34 PM
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Why are you saying this? What point are you making here? This is about you, not these poor people right?
This is about PTSD. When a population is traumatised, a percentage of them will have lifelong PTSD.

I make no diatinction between myself and others. I am hurt knowing their suffering. It's called empathy. A beast can cry for her own child. A human cries for the child of another.
The pain caused by terror does not finish when the last child is killed and buried. It goes on and on and on.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 06:12 PM
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It isn't the victims that are cognitively distorted, it is those who are ordering these weapons to be fired off. And anyone that would shield by putting children in the way is a sociopath, not an animal because even animals or beasts don't do that.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 11:12 PM
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And don't store weapons under a school full of innocent civilians. They're imprisoned by their own as martyrs and it's horrible for them.
There would be no other way to destroy/take the weapons without blowing up a school with civilians in it? The side doing this knows they are imprisoned as martyrs and used as human shields yet still blows them up knowing full well they aren't all willingly aiding any terrorists or people wanting to commit violence. It is ok to blow up children if the other side is using them as human shields?

That there is essentially just as horrible as it is for those people.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 11:19 PM
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This is about PTSD. When a population is traumatised, a percentage of them will have lifelong PTSD.

I make no diatinction between myself and others. I am hurt knowing their suffering. It's called empathy. A beast can cry for her own child. A human cries for the child of another.
The pain caused by terror does not finish when the last child is killed and buried. It goes on and on and on.
That is sort of how I feel I have a hard time not feeling upset/hurt when finding out about these sorts of incidents, knowing lots of people will end up with PTSD, not get the proper support/help....and ending up having to live with it for their life....it really does suck.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 11:33 PM
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There would be no other way to destroy/take the weapons without blowing up a school with civilians in it? The side doing this knows they are imprisoned as martyrs and used as human shields yet still blows them up knowing full well they aren't all willingly aiding any terrorists or people wanting to commit violence. It is ok to blow up children if the other side is using them as human shields?

That there is essentially just as horrible as it is for those people.
I'm not so sure It makes any sense at all to refer to civilians seeking shelter in a UN building as martyrs and human shields. They were sleeping children. They wanted to be safe from harm. Israel committed war crime and murder against children.

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Old Aug 01, 2014, 01:16 AM
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And don't store weapons under a school full of innocent civilians. They're imprisoned by their own as martyrs and it's horrible for them.
There were no weapons stored in the UN school. The civilians in Gaza were not imprisoned in the UN school. They sought shelter voluntarily in the hope If not the realistic expectation that Israel might respect international law and basic morality.
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Old Aug 01, 2014, 07:08 AM
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Something is missing from this story, I'm sure. Israel takes more caution than any other country to avoid hurting innocents. Hamas is known for fabricating and exaggerating 'facts.' Why anyone would choose to believe them so quickly is beyond me. They are on the record as celebrating death and martyrdom.

“We love death like our enemies love life!
We love Martyrdom, the way in which [Hamas] leaders died.”
-Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh

I am sure in time the truth will get out, and show that their was an accident blown out of proportion. That is was always happens in the media blitz with this region. It's part of the very well done propaganda effort by Hamas. It works really well.

I just don't understand why people are so quick to judge Israel as war criminals, but look the other way at the war crimes of the opposition.

they shelled a school

The following is an example of one such case.
TRIGGER WARNING. The following link contains violence and I would not advise clicking on it if you cannot handle it.
http://www.thomaswictor.com/massacre-at-shijaiyah/
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Old Aug 01, 2014, 09:21 AM
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There will always be people who for one reason or another take the part of the aggressor and the tyrant, perhaps because wanton violence and cruelty appeal to them. You are entitled to your preferences just as people are entitled to form fan clubs for serial killers.

Some of us will always object to the murder of children.
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Old Aug 01, 2014, 10:21 AM
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There will always be people who for one reason or another take the part of the aggressor and the tyrant, perhaps because wanton violence and cruelty appeal to them. You are entitled to your preferences just as people are entitled to form fan clubs for serial killers.

Some of us will always object to the murder of children.
A fan club for serial killers? Huzzah, sign me up!

Seriously, where in anything did I say I am in support of the murder of children? My comments only have to do with the search for truth.

I am dazzled by the low you just stooped to.
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