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Old May 18, 2013, 12:19 AM
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I just talked about this with my therapist sort of, apparently a beer or two here and there isn't a big deal....but drinking in excess is where it gets to be an issue. So I'd say if you choose to still drink just see to it you don't drink too much and maybe drink less than normal till you figure out how the prozac interacts with it like how much it increases the effects. One other thing though what exactly does the psychatrist mean by 'drinking' sometimes people refer to getting really drunk as drinking but wouldn't consider having a beer drinking.

As for cannabis, its still largely illegal so that may have something to do with his response on that, but I can't imagine it being much of an issue either unless its in excess. I finally decided to give an anti-depressant prescription I have a try and I probably won't stop smoking weed but I will certainly be careful and see how it interacts.

I think with a lot of psychatists though they just don't want to encourage any non-prescription drug use. Or they might assume you have addiction issues and so might over-use alcohol or weed in spite of taking an anti-depressant.

But that is just based on what I've experianced/observed I am by no means a medical expert.
Yeah actually that is what I wanna know! What IS drinking? cus to me, I don't drink 1 or 2 drinks when I drink. I drink to get drunk. Honestly. I don't drink beer and never will, don't like mixed drinks or sugary drinks, I drink liquor. Now, that being said I don't drink to get WASTED, I drink to the point of.. feeling good. I know my limit and (usually) stay within it. I personally can handle a lot of alcohol though.. I am far from a light weight.. So I guess I should ask him honestly, is it OK to get, DRUNK, once in a while on it?

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Old May 18, 2013, 12:39 AM
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And to alcohol being a depressant, well for me it makes me feel good. :s so I don't know.. I mean the next day sometimes I feel shity, if I get in a habit of drinking a lot I admit I do need more, but if I drink once in a while, it has no real effect. Alcohol makes me happy... and being out and with people makes me happy. And alcohol, just makes everything better.
(Somethings I just cant even handle or enjoy without alcohol)
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Well firstly, 1,2, and 3 mgs never worked to help my nightmares enough to allow me to sleep. Only 4 did. So I never built up that tolerance to get to 4, I just needed 4 mgs to get it too work.

I have also gone 4 or 5 days w/out taking it when my insurance lapsed, and I had no withdrawal...I can't feel a difference if I take it or don't, only if I sleep and then I get the really bad nightmares if I don't take it. I don't take anything during the day except for topamax for my migraine prevention, but I am on no other psych meds.

So basically, my pdoc had to tell me that even if I don't think I am going to sleep that night, as I have bad insomnia and sometimes I just know sleep isn't going to happen, I need to take it anyway since my body might need the consistency of taking it (because I can take 4 mg and stay wide awake).
I had no idea it caused withdrawal until I read about it on here.

I was told a long time ago that my kidneys process medications fast, as it takes twice as much novicaine at the dentist to work and it doesn't last as long as "usual", etc...my father is the same way. And I am only 108 lbs, so I am going with the kidney theory. I realize I am completely abnormal, so you are like "wth"?...I am just an odd one.
its going to be a nightmare to detox 4mg and jesus thats just to sleep anyone taking that at night would not wake of till really late. Your sleeping through its benifits. Nightmares on meds is an every night thing anyway, i have some right battles every night , i carnt sleep in the same room has my wife or i would knock her out in sleep. you say you had no withdrawl when not takeing the benzo for a few days , believe me you will i done 8 ativan the the same as your 4 klopin,and im a stong guy but i will never survive that again, you need to spread the 4 mg out through the day
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its going to be a nightmare to detox 4mg and jesus thats just to sleep anyone taking that at night would not wake of till really late. Your sleeping through its benifits. Nightmares on meds is an every night thing anyway, i have some right battles every night , i carnt sleep in the same room has my wife or i would knock her out in sleep. you say you had no withdrawl when not takeing the benzo for a few days , believe me you will i done 8 ativan the the same as your 4 klopin,and im a stong guy but i will never survive that again, you need to spread the 4 mg out through the day
I won't need to detox if and when I stop taking it; I am not addicted. Like I said, not long ago I didn't take it for 5 days and had no withdrawal...if I was indeed addicted, by 5 days w/out it, I would know. But I felt fine except for losing sleep because of the nightmares. Not everyone becomes addicted to benzos, you know...I was speaking with a pharmacist about it today. The benefits are I don't have nightmares so I can sleep some, otherwise I cannot. And I don't wake up really late, so not an issue for me. My body isn't approaching this med the way you seem to be generalizing it should be. I have been taking 4 mgs for quite awhile as prescribed by my pdoc to take at night, and I have not needed to up the dosage so my tolerance has stayed the same. I believe he knows what he is doing.
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Old May 18, 2013, 09:31 AM
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It is a CNS depressant, doesn't mean it makes you feel depressed though I can see how long term excessive drinking could do that. But I hear you on alcohol making things easier to enjoy and such....perhaps the prozac will help with the issue of needing alcohol to make things better since if it works right it should make you feel generally better.
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Old May 18, 2013, 12:09 PM
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Do not mix cough syrup with Prozac - could be dangerous.

Alcohol is a depressant; Prozac is an anti-depressant. Not a good mix.
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I won't need to detox if and when I stop taking it; I am not addicted. Like I said, not long ago I didn't take it for 5 days and had no withdrawal...if I was indeed addicted, by 5 days w/out it, I would know. But I felt fine except for losing sleep because of the nightmares. Not everyone becomes addicted to benzos, you know...I was speaking with a pharmacist about it today. The benefits are I don't have nightmares so I can sleep some, otherwise I cannot. And I don't wake up really late, so not an issue for me. My body isn't approaching this med the way you seem to be generalizing it should be. I have been taking 4 mgs for quite awhile as prescribed by my pdoc to take at night, and I have not needed to up the dosage so my tolerance has stayed the same. I believe he knows what he is doing.
My tollerance has stayed 4mg ativan for years, that half your
klopin dose. You can say your not addicted but try and stop them full time an im affraid you will find out. I was in the mental hospital where they stoped 12 mg ativan cold, that 6mg of your med and i survived the 2 week but i couldent any longer i went into convultions and was given by gp 100mg A DAY valium short term it never helped my detox 1 bit . I was given back the 4mg im on now of ativan and suffered a terrible time detoxing the rest for over a year, You do what helps you the best , but that amount of meds to sleep it a hell of a dose.I dont sleep now bed at 2am , up at 6am for meds , rest 1 hour after thats it. the thing that gives me 4 hours is 2mg ativan thats 1mg of you 4mg dose,( stay safe)
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My tollerance has stayed 4mg ativan for years, that half your
klopin dose. You can say your not addicted but try and stop them full time an im affraid you will find out. I was in the mental hospital where they stoped 12 mg ativan cold, that 6mg of your med and i survived the 2 week but i couldent any longer i went into convultions and was given by gp 100mg valium short term it never helped my detox 1 bit . I was given back the 4mg im on now of ativan and suffered a terrible time detoxing the rest for over a year, You do what helps you the best , but that amount of meds to sleep it a hell of a dose.I dont sleep now bed at 2am , up at 6am for meds , rest 1 hour after thats it. the thing that gives me 4 hours is 2mg ativan thats 1mg of you 4mg dose,( stay safe)
My pdoc did say it's not safe to stop klonopin cold, regardless of my not feeling any addiction to it (one can still have seizures, etc)...you still need to taper off as one would any psych medication...which is what I will do if I stop taking it. The people who ran your mental hospital should have taken better care of you and taken you off of your meds properly. Anyway, I am sorry you have had such a rough time with the ativan, and I do appreciate your concern. You stay safe as well.
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Do not mix cough syrup with Prozac - could be dangerous.

Alcohol is a depressant; Prozac is an anti-depressant. Not a good mix.
Really, cough syrup and prozac are dangerous together? What is the science behind that?
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My pdoc did say it's not safe to stop klonopin cold, regardless of my not feeling any addiction to it (one can still have seizures, etc)...you still need to taper off as one would any psych medication...which is what I will do if I stop taking it. The people who ran your mental hospital should have taken better care of you and taken you off of your meds properly. Anyway, I am sorry you have had such a rough time with the ativan, and I do appreciate your concern. You stay safe as well.
the 12 mg was a stash i had saved over years, the hospital wasnt scripting that many so they didnt believe me when i told them i was taking 12mg but i wasnt lieing . I would have died if i had stayed in there. Its all down in a thread i posted a long time back called hospital madness..
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the 12 mg was a stash i had saved over years, the hospital wasnt scripting that many so they didnt believe me when i told them i was taking 12mg but i wasnt lieing . I would have died if i had stayed in there. Its all down in a thread i posted a long time back called hospital madness..
I just read it...it sounds like a horror story...glad you made it through that wreck of a place. And I was once prescribed Effexor as an option for depression. I have tried a lot of drugs for my depression and have either had bad side effects or they have not worked, etc...but I refused to try that one...that is one scary medication.
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Old May 19, 2013, 12:54 AM
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Do not mix cough syrup with Prozac - could be dangerous.

Alcohol is a depressant; Prozac is an anti-depressant. Not a good mix.

I would think that would be the perfect mix. Balances out don't it/?
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Alcohol Is only a "depressant" if you continuously drink it and need more of it to feel good (hangovers, withdrawl) So I would think Prozac would take away those side effects from drinking. you wouldn't feel shity/irritable or whatever and then wouldn't need to keep drinking.
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I just read it...it sounds like a horror story...glad you made it through that wreck of a place. And I was once prescribed Effexor as an option for depression. I have tried a lot of drugs for my depression and have either had bad side effects or they have not worked, etc...but I refused to try that one...that is one scary medication.
EFFEXOR was given me to fast to quick. with the ativan withdrawl i was on a road to death, has i said i left half my brain in the mental hospital, but i still have 6month check ups because once you are singed out you start at the bottom again. All my wife has to do is pick up the phone and im seen that same day. It is worthless but it keeps her happy. i trust my gp more . Effexor to a long time to get out my system and i wasnt on it that long, but the mental zoo raised it to fast making it more unstable.i lost track of the bottles of vodka i drank to get me through that mess, but distroyed my stomach in the end with pancreitis.
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It is a CNS depressant, doesn't mean it makes you feel depressed though I can see how long term excessive drinking could do that. But I hear you on alcohol making things easier to enjoy and such....perhaps the prozac will help with the issue of needing alcohol to make things better since if it works right it should make you feel generally better.
not all alcohol use is self-medicating. You think Prozac would make me flirty, take away my dance-anxiety and give me fun night out with friends after hard week?

Yeah, I don't think so. Lot of things about alcohol are social... and while I do not condone drinking for everybody... "medication will make you not want to do the FUN drugs anymore" is kinda a myth.

Don't even get me started on weed...
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Hi, Interesting topic for me to come across as I just brought up to my therapist the other day that I smoke weed, but only in the evenings mainly to help me relax and sleep. She said that another doctor she worked with had a patient who asked the same thing and she put this way- that doc told them that since it was illegal that it is technically not okay...but it's okay lol...she said I don't sound like I'm abusing it, I don't do it at work or need it during the day (though it would make my day very interesting if I was high), but that it's just another way to relax. She said it will probably by legal within the next decade anyway and that weed was not the biggest problem in my life and to not worry about it interfering with my treatment.

As for alcohol, she said a drink here and there is fine...for me personally, I feel alcohol has had more negative affects with the meds than pot. I don't drink much now (and I really didn't before, but I could definitely put a few beers down on a Friday night), but when I do have a just a beer or two I feel like I feel the effect more the next day or after having the drink when I am home.
I think in moderation these substance can be okay, but it depends on what the individual is going through.
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not all alcohol use is self-medicating. You think Prozac would make me flirty, take away my dance-anxiety and give me fun night out with friends after hard week?

Yeah, I don't think so. Lot of things about alcohol are social... and while I do not condone drinking for everybody... "medication will make you not want to do the FUN drugs anymore" is kinda a myth.

Don't even get me started on weed...
The drinking was self medicating for 1 reason, to give me a window from my insain detox. i was forced detoxing 8mg ativan cold so i couldent slip a BENZO. it wasnt pleasure drinking for 2 to 5 hours , it was 1 swig knock me spark out full bottle of vodka, live or die i didnt care i was already dead i needed to be out there an there for a time NOT RECOMMENDED TO ANYONE, this was a desperate guy in a pile of **** , you have to live it before you can even amagine the pain.
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Yeah, I am not getting it either, tbh. Sorry for whatever you went through, but I don't think you can compare your situation to OP or others, really.
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not all alcohol use is self-medicating. You think Prozac would make me flirty, take away my dance-anxiety and give me fun night out with friends after hard week?

Yeah, I don't think so. Lot of things about alcohol are social... and while I do not condone drinking for everybody... "medication will make you not want to do the FUN drugs anymore" is kinda a myth.

Don't even get me started on weed...

Where did I say or imply all alcohol use is self-medicating? I really don't know what effect prozac would have on you, but I doubt it would do all that, didn't imply it would either. For those who do self medicate the default 'sober' state is painful and unpleasant so my reasoning is if an anti-depressant can help improve that then maybe it would reduce the need to self medicate.

I am well aware many people drink socially even I do so...but I've certainly self medicated with alcohol as well as cannabis, some alcohol use is self medicating.
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Yeah, I am not getting it either, tbh. Sorry for whatever you went through, but I don't think you can compare your situation to OP or others, really.
sugarhorse1 , said i do, not i dont ??????????? has i said you have to be there , PROZAC can get you danceing and doing anything you like if it kicks in its a brilliant med
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Is self medicating really a BAD thing though? Whats the difference between a drug the doc gives you, and a drug you give yourself?
Sometimes you know what works for you and what doesn't. But, I wil say I guess if you don't know how something (Prozac/the meds the doc prescribed) will make you feel I guess u cant accurately judge.

I know alcohol makes me feel good and gives me what I need when I need it.. I don't know about Prozac, or if Prozac will be enough for me without alcohol. Im scared to give it up..for the unknown. im willing to try new things sometimes but I don't wana give up drinking . Ive had and have the best nights of my life drnking, and I am one of those people who like to live life to the fulest, what if I take Prozac, never drink and have that fun, and die before I ever get to drink again?

And on the otherside though, what if my eating disorder gets so bad I don't get to drink again ?
Desperate times call for desperate measures.. but do I really need Prozac? is there any hope without it?
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Is self medicating really a BAD thing though? Whats the difference between a drug the doc gives you, and a drug you give yourself?
Sometimes you know what works for you and what doesn't. But, I wil say I guess if you don't know how something (Prozac/the meds the doc prescribed) will make you feel I guess u cant accurately judge.

I know alcohol makes me feel good and gives me what I need when I need it.. I don't know about Prozac, or if Prozac will be enough for me without alcohol. Im scared to give it up..for the unknown. im willing to try new things sometimes but I don't wana give up drinking . Ive had and have the best nights of my life drnking, and I am one of those people who like to live life to the fulest, what if I take Prozac, never drink and have that fun, and die before I ever get to drink again?

And on the otherside though, what if my eating disorder gets so bad I don't get to drink again ?
Desperate times call for desperate measures.. but do I really need Prozac? is there any hope without it?
Do what you want to now an give it a try, when or if the prozac kicks in and you get more confident see how you feel then. You no now when you go out you bang in the first few drinks fast to feel chilled, depressives always drink faster than the normals just to get carm, always drunk before the norms who drink steady to last all night. WE are useually wrecked half way through. I drank on PROZAC when young .
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Is self medicating really a BAD thing though? Whats the difference between a drug the doc gives you, and a drug you give yourself?
Sometimes you know what works for you and what doesn't. But, I wil say I guess if you don't know how something (Prozac/the meds the doc prescribed) will make you feel I guess u cant accurately judge.

I know alcohol makes me feel good and gives me what I need when I need it.. I don't know about Prozac, or if Prozac will be enough for me without alcohol. Im scared to give it up..for the unknown. im willing to try new things sometimes but I don't wana give up drinking . Ive had and have the best nights of my life drnking, and I am one of those people who like to live life to the fulest, what if I take Prozac, never drink and have that fun, and die before I ever get to drink again?

And on the otherside though, what if my eating disorder gets so bad I don't get to drink again ?
Desperate times call for desperate measures.. but do I really need Prozac? is there any hope without it?

i just wanna tell you before others come lecture... that I get this. I am not on any meds cause the thought of "it has to build in your body" scares the heck of me. It makes me think of the few times I still woken up so-not-sober. I like my drugs in by the evening, out in the morning.

with something that is long term, you have to be careful and observing yourself. Some people make drug journals.

as for drinking... I don!t think you need to give it up. But then again, I live in Europe, in beer belt, very close to vodka belt (just the fact there's geopolitics of drinking should tell you a lot). Here you're out socially if you don't drink. Most people will think you are either recovering alcoholic (in better case) or some kind of fundamentalist, or just plain weird. Good news is many people do drink on their prescription drugs still.
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