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SIDE EFFECTS: Trouble sleeping, restlessness, upset stomach, dizziness, headache, or numbness/tingling of the hands/feet may occur. If any of these effects persist or worsen, contact your doctor or pharmacist promptly.Tell your doctor immediately if this unlikely but serious side effect occurs: a sunburn-like skin reaction (increased sun sensitivity).Tell your doctor immediately if any of these rare but very serious side effects occur: black/bloody/tarry stools, vomit that looks like coffee grounds, easy bruising/bleeding.This product may rarely cause a very serious condition called serotonin syndrome. The risk increases when this product is used with certain drugs such as "triptans" used to treat migraine headaches (e.g., sumatriptan, eletriptan), certain antidepressants including SSRIs (e.g., citalopram, paroxetine) and SNRIs (e.g., duloxetine, venlafaxine), lithium, tramadol, tryptophan, or a certain drug to treat obesity (sibutramine). See also Drug Interactions section. Before taking this product, tell your doctor if you take any of these medications. Serotonin syndrome may be more likely when you start or increase the dose of any of these medications. Seek immediate medical attention if you develop any of the following symptoms: unusual mental/mood changes (e.g., strange thoughts, unusual excitement, extreme anxiety, confusion), severe dizziness, severe headache, fast heartbeat, unexplained fever, sweating, severe nausea/vomiting/diarrhea, twitching muscles.A very serious allergic reaction to this product is rare. However, seek immediate medical attention if you notice any of the following symptoms of a serious allergic reaction: rash, itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat), severe dizziness, trouble breathing.This is not a complete list of possible side effects. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.In the US -Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side effects to FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088 .In Canada - Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side effects to Health Canada at 1-866-234-2345 .
(I REST MY CASE )

[venusss]

You forgotten photosensitivity. Kinda big deal outside of England, Alaska and Iceland

Oh thank you, thank you! As an herb taking freak I have looked up every single pharma product side affect but i never THOUGHT to look at the side effects of herbs!

Is that what you were expecting?


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Originally Posted by Michanne

Oh thank you, thank you! As an herb taking freak I have looked up every single pharma product side affect but i never THOUGHT to look at the side effects of herbs!

Is that what you were expecting?


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SORRY i already new, but I never used side effects has a weapon I tried them all years ago long before meds , and found the useless and dangerous,

[venusss]

Dangerous?

You know what is funny? That the ZOMG-HORRIBLE effects of this herb you list here... are simmilar to thoise you insisted people should tolerate when starting on meds.

Point is: if it makes you feel bad, don't take it. Don't pull the "really ill" card. As I said yesterday, taking **** that makes you worse is not heroic.


Also, any herbalist will tell you not to take herbs long term. Make breaks when you use it longer. Some herbs you can use pretty much daily, but the others should be used three weeks max, with a week break in between if you need to use it longer/constantly.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

Dangerous?

You know what is funny? That the ZOMG-HORRIBLE effects of this herb you list here... are simmilar to thoise you insisted people should tolerate when starting on meds.

Point is: if it makes you feel bad, don't take it. Don't pull the "really ill" card. As I said yesterday, taking **** that makes you worse is not heroic.


Also, any herbalist will tell you not to take herbs long term. Make breaks when you use it longer. Some herbs you can use pretty much daily, but the others should be used three weeks max, with a week break in between if you need to use it longer/constantly.

If the depression is long term ,and the herbs are not long term: what do you do in between.

[venusss]

you have to take them with breaks and switch around

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

you have to take them with breaks and switch around

Sorry wrong answer

[venusss]

I rest my case.

[sewerrats]

" /> here are a few herbs I wasted my money on years ago . just dug them out the attic , you see i don't talk what i haven't tried

[venusss]

Yeah, because 5-htp grows on meadows.

And mussels, magnesium and taurine are herbs....


Wrong answer indeed.

[venusss]

Also, they are pills, not herbs. I wonder if you could even recognize St. john's wart if you seen it in the nature, eh.

[venusss]

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

Also, they are pills, not herbs. I wonder if you could even recognize St. john's wart if you seen it in the nature, eh.

No you right I would not?? but then I am not looking for it. I do know that if you overdose by accident your in a body bag. I am done hear now your talking about roaming the fields finding herbs , MODERATORS IM DONE HEAR NOW , THANK YOU.

[venusss]

You started a thread about St John's wort. So you expected us to sit on our asses, recognize our wrong ways with loving the nature and start praying to the pill?

And you don't overdose that easily.

MODERATORS: Maybe you could also notice the cutesy "you gonna die" line.

I am done with you shitting on things that aren't pills, with your posting bad advice, shaming people, making mental health into peeing contest.

but then I am not looking for it.

Exactly. You don't look for anything except what you already know. If it works for you it must work for everybody, right? If you can tolerate it then everybody should be able to, right?

Except you have missed the entire point of alternative options... Meds are actually INCLUDED in the list of options for many people. What's new is meds are not the ONLY option.

For you it's MED + exercise or nutrition or whatever.

For others it might be the same OR it might be HERB + meditation + a gaps diet OR some other combination.

Why is that so hard to accept?

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Originally Posted by Michanne

Exactly. You don't look for anything except what you already know. If it works for you it must work for everybody, right? If you can tolerate it then everybody should be able to, right?

Except you have missed the entire point of alternative options... Meds are actually INCLUDED in the list of options for many people. What's new is meds are not the ONLY option.

For you it's MED + exercise or nutrition or whatever.

For others it might be the same OR it might be HERB + meditation + a gaps diet OR some other combination.

Why is that so hard to accept?

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Because this is a meds board , put you thoughts on alternative. but you don't want to because nobody goes there ,don't that tell you something.

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ok, enough is enough.

Remember this is a support board. There is nothing supportive in this thread.

I would respectfully suggest that if you disagree philosophically on meds / non meds, that you practice good self-care and step away from the threads, rather than posting at each other which is against community guidelines.

I am closing this thread as it has outlived its usefullnes.

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