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Default Jul 19, 2017 at 06:27 PM
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When I hear therapist talking against other therapist and what the other therapist is giving a client that they are unwilling to give a client, especially if they share the same client, I don't think of professional ethics first. I think of the therapist feeling inadequate. "The clients emails are too many and too long, they've called me in the middle of the night or on my vacation. If they're getting this from another therapist they'll expect me to do it too. Don't they know etiquette? I only offered because I feel inadequate."

I would also have to ask myself why I would need to bate her with or others certain statements. Is this a part of my pattern? And, maybe I should talk to my therapist about it? For me this would be the triangle of mom and dad issues.

How someone else practices therapy by allowing phone calls of 2 hours or 100 emails a month is not a justifiable reason to even consider reporting someone.
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at... are you implying I'm bating someone with something?

I don't have any contact with my current therapist or group therapist between sessions.... that's not something I'm looking to have... confused.
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Default Jul 19, 2017 at 06:42 PM
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I just don't see how it could not be dismissed if nothing can be verified. All the board can do in cases when the harmed party is not named is to contact the therapist and to question him about the information they received. The therapist would obviously deny everything ant that would be the end of it. Why would any board bother even start? As AB said, they don't have enough resources to properly investigate even the complaints from clients with convincing evidence because they get tons of them every year. Who would bother to look at anonymous reports whether from professionals or not?

What does exactly your state licensing board do when they get reports from professionals who don't name the clients they have received information from? How exactly do they investigate it if there is no one to question?
I don’t profess to know exactly how my state board does these things or why. My guess would be that depending on what is being reported exactly, the therapist’s testimony is given enough merit for further inquiry of some sort. Calling the reported therapists colleagues if they have any might be a reasonable start. In my case, my ex-t confessed to her colleague that she entered an inappropriate dual relationship with me. My ex-t is now being counseled for this. So if the board were to call any one of my ex-t’s colleague’s, there is validation (at least for part of my story). Also, my t has been witness to the trauma my ex-t caused me. I’ve shown her drunk text messages and emails from my ex-t. Maybe a colleague knows of my ex-t’s alcohol problems. I have shared with my t detailed, very strange, personal information about ex-t that might lend credibility. And maybe there are more complaints out there that would also support the report. Who knows?? Apparently my state recognizes not every situation is a black and white 2-piece puzzle??

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I referred to S by his first name a lot. I'm not sure if he has his last name.
I really hope it doesn't come down to me having to refuse information to anyone. That's not how I want this to resolve.... J is my therapist, and I like to think he's on my side... same with Group T
I hope you aren't put in the awkward position of your t requesting your ex-t's last name. J sounds like he is for sure on your side. He was the one who told you to be selfish, right? As for having to refuse info to anyone else, confidentiality will prohibit you from having to do so. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
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I don’t profess to know exactly how my state board does these things or why.
That's what I thought. You don't know how your state handles these cases but you said as if you knew for a fact that reports from professionals about their colleagues behaviors are "NOT" dismissed. In reality you don't really know that.

[QUOTE=AllHeart;5744663 Apparently my state recognizes not every situation is a black and white 2-piece puzzle?? [/QUOTE]

What makes it apparent? Do you know of any specific cases when your state board recognized some situation as not a black and white 2-piece puzzle?

Again, you are making unsubstantiated claims and by saying "apparently" you are asserting that your claims are facts even though you don't have evidence to back them up.

The reason I am harping on this and on all issues that have to do with professional laws and ethics is not because I want to be argumentative but because I see a great deal of confusion about these issues on this board. People confuse facts with their beliefs and their wishes. Just because you or somebody else believe that things should work in the certain way doesn't mean they do. if you don't have first hand knowledge/experience in the area of psychotherapy laws and ethics it'd be wise and responsible just to say that you don't know instead of presenting unverified information as facts because you'd like it to be that way.

I don't mean to lecture you but I do hate when people get misinformed, misled and when they misinform and mislead others because they speculate instead of doing research and fact-checking and because it's difficult for them to say "I don't know". There is a great deal of misinformation being circulated on this forum and it harms people instead of helping them. Let's all be responsible as to what we claim here.

Apart from that, I'd suggest anyone who hangs out here not to rely on any information posted on any forum. Please, do your own research, contact the agencies that deal with professional legal and ethical issues, contact attorneys and professional organizations. Don't just assume that things work in the certain way because you believe so or because you want them to.

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Default Jul 20, 2017 at 12:20 AM
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Laws and rules are rarely black and white. They are not applied consistently nor are they interpreted consistently. Not by governing bodies nor by courts.
Everyone here is entitled to their opinion and giving it is not saying it is in stone. No one should take anyone's opinion as gospel without checking it out, in my opinion. In my profession -it keeps me employed when people don't..

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Default Jul 20, 2017 at 09:31 AM
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Ididitmyway - The only claim I thought I was making was that my state does not dismiss anonymous client reports submitted by professionals. Consider the fact that I have done my research to know this. Because I don't know the hows or whys doesn't make it untrue. "Thank you" for the lecturing advice. I hope you can follow it as you preach it.

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Ididitmyway - The only claim I thought I was making was that my state does not dismiss anonymous client reports submitted by professionals. Consider the fact that I have done my research to know this. Because I don't know the hows or whys doesn't make it untrue. You offer some good lecturing advice. I hope you follow it as you preach it.
Oh, I always follow it. I wouldn't be preaching it if I didn't follow it myself. I challenge anyone to find any post of mine where I would state something as a fact that was either incorrect or not backed by some sources. Whenever I am not sure if information is factually accurate I say so or I say that I believe something to be true but not that it is true.

I didn't know you had done your research in regards to your state proceedings. I trust that you found something that supports your assumption. Also, I didn't say that because you didn't know hows and whys your claim was not true. All I said was that you didn't know how your state licensing board operates while asserting that you knew. I said it because you didn't mention that you had done your research.

I don't want to beat this to death. I made my point and I think we understood each other. Have a great day.

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I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at... are you implying I'm bating someone with something?

I don't have any contact with my current therapist or group therapist between sessions.... that's not something I'm looking to have... confused.
My post was responding to other posters and I did not state that.

I hope that you can keep control of this situation. Good luck to you.
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Default Jul 20, 2017 at 04:22 PM
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I referred to S by his first name a lot. I'm not sure if he has his last name.
I really hope it doesn't come down to me having to refuse information to anyone. That's not how I want this to resolve.... J is my therapist, and I like to think he's on my side... same with Group T
Sure, I get that and I'm sure he is on your side. Only problem is, if (and thats a big if) his hands are tied by the law to report S then it doesn't matter whether he is on your side or not, he's got to do it regardless of your feelings about it.

So my own personal recommendation would be to try to withhold his name/confirming his name unless you are either 100% sure you want him reported, or you are 100% sure they are not going to report him.

(By the way I'm not commenting on whether other posters are right or wrong about the legalities of this. I am British, so I don't have a clue regarding that).
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