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Default Dec 05, 2018 at 09:36 PM
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I don't have anything to add, really.


But yes, that behavior would make me very uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable.


Definitely worth talking about to someone you trust.
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Now, my alarm goes nuclear.

If the memory reflects the real event, then you were sexually abused as a child. I would absolutely talk about it with your T, AND I would withdraw my consent for her to talk to my mother. You are an adult now and your therapy should be your sacred, well protected personal space. In your situation especially no one should be allowed there. Again, if the memory reflects the real abuse, then it means you have never been allowed to have your own protected personal space (and it certainly looks like it from what you've described in other threads), so it is time to claim one and to defend it.

I'd tell the T about the memory and about your father's current behavior and I would pay great attention to her reaction. A therapist with any basic level of ethics and wisdom in this situation would stop all communications with your mother and would work with you on helping you separate from the harmful family dynamics you are in right now. That'd be my litmus test for whether I should continue to see the T. Also, a T in this situation should assess if your father has access to children, and, if he does, the T should report his behavior to the appropriate authorities immediately. This is another test to see if your T is appropriate for you to continue to work with.

I am not telling you what to do. You obviously can and will make your own choice, but I am not going to pretend that I don't have a strong opinion about cases like yours. I certainly do and I never hide it. In cases like that, a strong opinion indicates a moral stand. There is no "gray area" for me here. This, to me, is as black and white as it can get.

I dont understand how I was sexually abused when I am the one that did it. He probably told me to stop idk but he wasnt overly concerned about it. Still no word from T. She usually emails me around 11:30 at night.
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In general, anything that happens to be bothering you is worth talking over with your T, even if it seems like it might not be a big deal.

Your father's behavior sounds very strange. If you don't want him to continue it, you will need to find a way to tell him to stop. Your T might be able to help you learn to assert yourself if you want.
Yeah I want it to stop but I dont want to lose him. That might sound bad to you guys but he is really all I have. My mom, brother and sister dont hardly speak to me. Basically if I go 4 days without texting them they will make sure I havent committed s**cide but thats about it.
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I dont understand how I was sexually abused when I am the one that did it. He probably told me to stop idk but he wasnt overly concerned about it. Still no word from T. She usually emails me around 11:30 at night.
you were a child. it was abuse.
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I dont understand how I was sexually abused when I am the one that did it. He probably told me to stop idk but he wasnt overly concerned about it. Still no word from T. She usually emails me around 11:30 at night.

IMO and experience, an adult in that situation would simply stop the child, move away, distract them. It's not horrible or unusual for a child to touch someone in a private area, but the healthy response is to deflect that sort of thing. We teach our kids not to pick their noses, right? Kids don't know, loving adults teach.
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Parents with good boundaries gently tell children when they are doing something inappropriate. Something went awry with your dad and that can’t possibly be your fault.
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I dont understand how I was sexually abused when I am the one that did it. He probably told me to stop idk but he wasnt overly concerned about it. Still no word from T. She usually emails me around 11:30 at night.
As Kecanoe said, a healthy adult, a healthy parent would distract the child from this activity. And, generally speaking, this sort of thing may happen naturally when the child is much younger, 1-2 may be even 3 years old but not older than that. By the age of 8-9, in a healthy family environment, the child is well aware of the concept of private parts and the body integrity in general. If an 8-9 year old is innocently unaware of this and touches the parent's nipples out of ignorance, that means that someone in the family introduced this behavior to the child and normalized it, and that is sexual abuse. In a healthy family, the idea of doing this would simply not cross the mind of an 8-9 year old. When the child of this age does what you did in your memory, someone taught them this behavior.

The shame is not on the child who did this. The shame and the blame is on the perpetrator who tacitly or explicitly encouraged the behavior.

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Default Dec 05, 2018 at 10:32 PM
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I said he probably told me to stop.
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Yeah I want it to stop but I dont want to lose him.
Why would you lose him if you tell him to stop? Those aren't the only two choices. There should be a middle ground here, where you say, "Hey I don't like that" and he stops doing it but remains in your life. If he really would abandon his daughter because you won't let him do whatever he wants to you, then yes, this sounds abusive (at least emotionally). Even if being alone is painful it is better than being abused.
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I said he probably told me to stop.
Probably? You are not sure? Well, that's unfortunate that your memory doesn't show him taking you off of him and re-directing your attention to something else, which would be a healthy reaction from the parent. Combined together with his current behavior, I'd suspect that it is improbable that he had told you to stop.

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Yeah I want it to stop but I dont want to lose him. That might sound bad to you guys but he is really all I have. My mom, brother and sister dont hardly speak to me. Basically if I go 4 days without texting them they will make sure I havent committed s**cide but thats about it.
If he rejects you for not letting him abuse you that speaks volumes about him.

But look, I understand that we need people in our life, and, if he is the only person you have, the only one you are attached to, then it must feel terrifying to lose him, even if he is abusing you. As oddly and illogically as it may sound, we, as humans, actually, prefer being abused to being alone, especially if we have never had a chance to develop a healthy autonomy. Abused people generally have developmental problems (precisely because of abuse) and have enormous dependency issues. Being abandoned in those cases equals to being deserted and left to die. I get it. It is scary to be abandoned.

But you can still take care of yourself and you can start doing it now. Begin with talking to your therapist about all this. See what happens. Then take one step at a time. You can do it.

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Default Dec 05, 2018 at 11:22 PM
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I highly recommend you to check out this resource. Yes ICAN: International Child Advocacy Network

They help people with your issues. They are really good. Their support chatrooms are safe and they use trained facilitators. You can use them anonymously as long as you need to. They are very experienced in dealing with all kinds of sexual abuse situations and they've been doing this work for a very long time now.

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I also have to say this. I am very concerned about the fact that your T can freely talk to your mother about anything behind your back. In your situation, this makes therapy very unsafe. If you tell your T what you told here and then she tells your mother about it, this may complicate your situation further, especially given that you and your mother don't have a good relationship.

I seriously recommend you to revoke your consent for your T to talk to your mother before you talk to her again. I would email the T and ask her to give me the form that revokes the previous authorization to talk to the mother, and, if she doesn't have that form, I'd simply say in the email that I withdraw my authorization and that I no longer want her to talk to the mother. This should be enough for her to stop all communications with your mother. You just need some form of documentation to show that you requested it.

I also wonder if your mother knows about your father's current behavior toward you like inappropriate touches and things of that sort. And, if she does, what is her reaction? What is she doing about it?

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I am really curious about all of this. You have been writing for months about the possibility of your mother sexually abusing you, and now just the other day your father tells you he took a picture of you with your legs spread apart. Why do you think he is suddenly behaving in this way? This seems really out of the blue.
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Dnester, are you talking about your biological father?
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I also have to say this. I am very concerned about the fact that your T can freely talk to your mother about anything behind your back. In your situation, this makes therapy very unsafe. If you tell your T what you told here and then she tells your mother about it, this may complicate your situation further, especially given that you and your mother don't have a good relationship.

I seriously recommend you to revoke your consent for your T to talk to your mother before you talk to her again. I would email the T and ask her to give me the form that revokes the previous authorization to talk to the mother, and, if she doesn't have that form, I'd simply say in the email that I withdraw my authorization and that I no longer want her to talk to the mother. This should be enough for her to stop all communications with your mother. You just need some form of documentation to show that you requested it.

I also wonder if your mother knows about your father's current behavior toward you like inappropriate touches and things of that sort. And, if she does, what is her reaction? What is she doing about it?

My parents have been divorced since I was 11. They do not speak. He was abusive to her. I have not told her because there is nothing she can do besides tell me not to be near him. She would tell my sister and my sister would tell my dad what I said. Then my dad would get pissed and say he didnt do anything wrong and then my sister would be mad at me. Its not worth it.
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Dnester, are you talking about your biological father?
Yes I am.
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I am really curious about all of this. You have been writing for months about the possibility of your mother sexually abusing you, and now just the other day your father tells you he took a picture of you with your legs spread apart. Why do you think he is suddenly behaving in this way? This seems really out of the blue.
Are you saying I am lying? I dont know why he is acting this way. I am not sure its that serious. Me being sexually abused by my mother was a theory my T came up with not me.
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Are you saying I am lying? I dont know why he is acting this way. I am not sure its that serious. Me being sexually abused by my mother was a theory my T came up with not me.

I'm curious as to why your T thought that it was your mother who had been sexually abusing you. What you mention about your father doing now and the memory about the nipples (which, as others said, is abuse, even if it was you doing that--your father should have just said "no" and not allowed it). It makes me wonder if, assuming some sort of abuse took place, it could have actually been your father? I think you had talked about a fixation on maternal figures, right? If that's the case, maybe it's because your mother wasn't protecting you from it? I think you should definitely bring all this up with your T.
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I'm curious as to why your T thought that it was your mother who had been sexually abusing you. What you mention about your father doing now and the memory about the nipples (which, as others said, is abuse, even if it was you doing that--your father should have just said "no" and not allowed it). It makes me wonder if, assuming some sort of abuse took place, it could have actually been your father? I think you had talked about a fixation on maternal figures, right? If that's the case, maybe it's because your mother wasn't protecting you from it? I think you should definitely bring all this up with your T.
My T thinks that my mom sexually abused me because of some of the things I think about women. Now that she has talked to her I dont think she believes that anymore but I didnt ask. He probably did say no I dont remember.
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