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Default Jan 19, 2021 at 05:26 PM
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There is nothing wrong with Sarah expressing concerns about her therapist. She asked for people’s opinions “how do you look at it”. People responded because they were asked for opinions. No one said this question isn’t valid. Posts on this threads are answers to her question “how do we look at this issue”. No opinion is better than other. It’s only expected that opinions will differ.
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Default Jan 19, 2021 at 05:30 PM
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Lol about baker. My aunt is the best pastry chef I’ve ever knew. She is thin and has always been thin. Sure people could be driven by preconceived notion and assumption that skinny baker is no good but then they’ll miss on excellent pastry. So one can choose. Enjoy some excellent treat or assume things without any proof and go without, metaphorically speaking
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Default Jan 19, 2021 at 07:29 PM
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Mother Teresa said she had doubts.
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Mother Teresa said she had doubts.
I’ve read somewhere that some might see religious doubt as the end of faith but some would see it as an opportunity to grow and deepen one’s faith. I’d rather have questioning and doubtful clergy than a dogmatic one. It’s not all that black and white.

We don’t have to see therapists who don’t meet our criteria. But it’s wise to find out more about them if one must see a therapist of a counselor to maintain unemployment benefits. In the past it was an issue that therapists are married or have dogs or kids or houses and now you don’t have one but counselor can’t hunt. Of course again you don’t have to see a therapist or a counselor who doesn’t meet the expectation.

I’d not see a therapist or a counselor who doesn’t meet my criteria. Hunting or other issues. But Sarah doesn’t have an alternative, her alternative is to give up unemployment benefits. So we got to choose what’s more important at the moment. Pro and con
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Default Jan 19, 2021 at 09:48 PM
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Sometimes people on here don't want to see a fat therapist or a divorced therapist as a marriage counselor or a therapist with a different religion or political bent. That's their call. Likewise I can see why an individual wouldn't want a hunter as a therapist.

But that's not what the OP said. That was:

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If you don't care about animals, you don't care that much about people either and it really isn't suitable for a person working as a therapist or counselor.
That's different from "I don't want a hunter as a therapist," and it's not true: you can value people and not value animals. Or you can value both, but which would you save in a fire: a person or an animal? Choosing the person over the animal doesn't make you unfit for certain professions, or vice versa. What really helps make you fit for a profession is your commitment to it and its ethical code. (And I think Sarah has run into a few therapists unfit to be therapists for that reason.)

So I can see why there are so many strong reactions. Black and white thinking hurts the one who thinks it as much if not more than the one they have the thought about, I think we all know that from personal experience.
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Default Jan 20, 2021 at 02:51 AM
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Hi Sarah Sweden
Messaging from uk where hunting in all forms is a very very divided issue
I have no issue with highly directed and skilled culling or hunting for food in such as Inuit peoples for eg but abhor hunting for pleasure eg corporate days out shooting pheasant/ partridge bred for these events- those that escape run about all over the roads and folks like me end up running them over which is nasty

I’ve never known a veterinary surgeon(like myself) that shoots/hunts and would be surprised if I came across a medic of any type that did

I appreciate your dilemma as we too have very poor access to ,non private ,mental health care
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Default Jan 20, 2021 at 05:58 AM
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while nobody in my family hunts, it is extremely common in our state to hunt. We live in a fairly poor state and many use hunting to put food on their tables. Many also donate it to soup kitchens or other sources of providing to the poor. I personally couldn't er imagine hunting highly doubt my Ts hunt but would not look down on those who do.

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Default Jan 20, 2021 at 08:51 AM
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Maybe this is a cultural difference, but to me hunters do not 'not care about life' or something like that. Usually they follow the animal around for quite a while before taking its life, they make sure it's not the parent of a young animal, that it's not too young and so on. And after the hunting, they don't just take a picture and move on, usually they take the animal with them, often even take it apart themselves and then they feed themselves and their families for multiple days. To me this shows great respect for the animal (if it's done this way). I'd even argue that it's in some ways better than going to a store and buying per-processed meat that comes from god knows where.

My perspective would drastically change if the hunting is done out of pure pleasure for killing things and to brag about it, but if it's done in a respectful way, I don't personally think it's a contradiction to be a hunter and a therapist at the same time. While I agree that therapists should respect and honor life, I think that is well possible while being a hunter. And in addition to that, death is a - though unpleasant - part of life and it can be valuable to have some experiences with it when working with other people.
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Default Jan 20, 2021 at 09:31 AM
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A while ago I read a fascinating book called Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat about people's complicated and perplexing relationships with animals. It really opened up my mind to the ways that culture and personal history and emotions and lots of other things influence these kinds of questions. It might be worth reading to help you wrap your head around what you think about this. I wouldn't be bothered by a therapist who is a hunter, but I would be bothered by a therapist who doesn't treat their pets well (and by "well" I mean to my particular personal standards). I recognize that there may not be complete rationality to this point of view and I'm okay with that.
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A while ago I read a fascinating book called Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat about people's complicated and perplexing relationships with animals. It really opened up my mind to the ways that culture and personal history and emotions and lots of other things influence these kinds of questions. It might be worth reading to help you wrap your head around what you think about this. I wouldn't be bothered by a therapist who is a hunter, but I would be bothered by a therapist who doesn't treat their pets well (and by "well" I mean to my particular personal standards). I recognize that there may not be complete rationality to this point of view and I'm okay with that.

This book looks really interesting, thanks for sharing! It seems particularly fitting because I have one type of rodent as a pet (guinea pigs), but then we were setting (mostly live-catch, with one exception) traps to catch another kind of rodent (mice). And it struck me how that was kind of strange. Though many people do keep mice (and rats!) as pets.
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This book looks really interesting, thanks for sharing! It seems particularly fitting because I have one type of rodent as a pet (guinea pigs), but then we were setting (mostly live-catch, with one exception) traps to catch another kind of rodent (mice). And it struck me how that was kind of strange. Though many people do keep mice (and rats!) as pets.
And some people eat guinea pigs!

In any case, there are definitely differences in values that would make me feel I was unable to work with a T, so I understand somewhat where the OP is coming from, whether or not I agree about hunting. I disagree with my T on some things, but nothing that makes me feel like we can't possibly understand each other. It seems to me that there is an opportunity here for OP to think about her own values and also to figure out if she can work with someone even if they differ from her in important ways.
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And some people eat guinea pigs!

In any case, there are definitely differences in values that would make me feel I was unable to work with a T, so I understand somewhat where the OP is coming from, whether or not I agree about hunting. I disagree with my T on some things, but nothing that makes me feel like we can't possibly understand each other. It seems to me that there is an opportunity here for OP to think about her own values and also to figure out if she can work with someone even if they differ from her in important ways.

Yeah, I made the grave error of googling "cuy" once (which is what the type raised for meat are generally called). The way they're generally served was...quite unsettling for me! I had been hoping to see images of wild guinea pigs, or at least big cages of them being raised--nope! They're also used (alive!) for healing and disease detection in some cultures (maybe in Ecuador?)--they're thought to have a special ability to detect disease in people by moving them over someone's body.
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Thanks. Yes, I think there are such interests and dedications that fit less well than others into the role as a counselor. I would say any kind of criminal actitivy would undermine the role as a counselor and with some interests there will be values that follow some clients will feel isn´t appropriate.

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I think this is an interesting issue. Are there some interests or dedications which undermine the fundamental values which we assume underpin therapy - and by extension, therapists' outlook? Interests which we might describe as cruel (compared to compassionate); manipulative (compared to honest); or illegal (compared to professional). We might argue about the ethics of hunting, but the question might also be about dog fighting; or catfishing; or shoplifting. Hunting might be permissible or celebrated by some, but what if the therapist is hunting endangered species? The activity itself is largely irrelevant, it is the indication of their values which matters.
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I’d say you might want to talk to a clinic supervisor if they have a different counselor. If something is seriously bothering you about her, it might not be the best to keep seeing her. I’d try to see if they have someone else available
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To work with a T who hunts animals would really bother me. I couldn't do it. Hunters don't just kill an animal for food. Hunters get off on the process of hunting. Stalking. The whole thing is extremely traumatizing to the animal. Hunters disrupt family units. It's a horrifying thing to do, a sicko power trip.

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To work with a T who hunts animals would really bother me. I couldn't do it. Hunters don't just kill an animal for food. Hunters get off on the process of hunting. Stalking. The whole thing is extremely traumatizing to the animal. Hunters disrupt family units. It's a horrifying thing to do, a sicko power trip.
I am not a hunter but I think it’s generalizing. By the same token meat eaters get off buying chicken or beef or pork in the super market. We don’t know how traumatized those creatures were and how they were treated. Someone did kill them for us to eat. I’d say farm animals (especially the ones raised to be killed) might be way more traumatized throughout their life than wild animals. Buying that meat could be seen as a sick power trip too
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Regarding the cultural aspect:
I used to have pet rabbits. They would roam around freely in our house, I had a great bond with them. My neighbor, an old lady who grew up when there were wars going on, one day decided to serve rabbit when I was at her place (something that in my culture is eaten sometimes, though it's been quite a while that I've seen whole rabbits displayed in the supermarket). Of course I couldn't bring myself to eat it (I think I tried a bite).
I think that's a good example of growing up with different things, and maybe also a different mindset. If you've grown up experiencing a thing and learned to accept it as part of life, you might sometimes do things that other people think is not okay.

Whether a certain thing is acceptable for a therapist is a difficult question in my opinion. For some clients it might be perfectly acceptable that a T hunts, or eats a certain type of animal, or has done a certain thing in the past. And for other clients it might be really triggering for one reason or another and they'd not want to work with the T anymore. And yet for others they might go into therapy wanting to work on that exact issue, so it'd probably be talked about. But that depends on the individual case.
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I've never hunted but I have family and friends who do. For most it's something they grew up doing, often a family tradition to head out into the woods together. For some I'm sure it is a sick power trip to stalk and kill things, but I really don't think it is for everyone who hunts. Same as fishing.
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I don't really like hunting, but I think factory farming with slaughter houses are way worse. So I would be much more concerned about a therapist who paid others to do the killing in a factory setting and ate the animal products for breakfast.
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I am not a hunter but I think it’s generalizing. By the same token meat eaters get off buying chicken or beef or pork in the super market. We don’t know how traumatized those creatures were and how they were treated. Someone did kill them for us to eat. I’d say farm animals (especially the ones raised to be killed) might be way more traumatized throughout their life than wild animals. Buying that meat could be seen as a sick power trip too
On the rare occasion I eat meat I am careful to purchase ethically raised meat. Free range, no antibiotics, etc. I don't "get off" on buying meat. On the contrary, I feel very sad when I buy meat - to the point at which I very, very seldom buy it.

The thought of killing animals disturbs me tremendously. The thought of hunting wild animals in a time and place when doing so is not necessary horrifies me. It is a sick sport, nothing less. I stand by that.

I will say that cultural/geographical differences certainly play a part in the whole thing.

Bottom line: I would not work with a therapist who hunted animals.

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