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Default Jul 23, 2021 at 11:21 AM
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I don't think everyone "needs" therapy. I don't even think that everyone who has a diagnosis "needs" therapy. There are many ways to cope with symptoms or just daily stressors. Imo, therapy is a choice. Some may need it, others don't. It's up to the individual what works best for them.

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Default Jul 23, 2021 at 12:58 PM
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I'd agree not everyone needs therapy.

I think most people benefit from having a trusted person they can talk things over with in an open way, whether that's a therapist or someone else, and you could maybe argue that there are systemic cultural forces that make it harder to form those kinds of bonds.
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Default Jul 23, 2021 at 01:19 PM
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I struggle with this general idea a lot. As in, what T and I were just talking about last week, I say to her sometimes "Why do I have to keep doing this difficult work on myself year after year, when it seems like everybody else I know gets to run around willy-nilly and not care about it?!"

And yet, what a better world it would be if a whole lot more people did do their inner work, whether it is with a therapist or not, maybe at least some of the systemic stuff could be resolved.
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Default Jul 23, 2021 at 01:55 PM
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There are a limited number of ways in which we can instigate systemic change (state intervention; social justice movements; legal challenge, etc) so I am not sure why we would expect therapy to have a profound role in cultural shift. Sexual abuse caused me to be disconnected from my body. Sexual abuse is a patriarchal and systemic problem. I cold water swim in order to re-establish my relationship with my body. Should I expect swimming to prompt systemic change?

Therapy is about our internal world and our relatedness to others so the link to systemic change is tangential. Existential therapy might argue that as we shift our understanding of our self we might illicit change in others (we are all connected and change has a ripple effect). In this respect, I agree with Artie that self reflection helps us all move forward.
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This is true. If you care about social change, there is no reason why you can't engage with therapy and activism or political pressure movements.
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Everyone does not need therapy and therapy is not universally useful. It fails in a good number of ways for a large number of people. Those people really do need to study their failure more than they do. They are perfectly happy to take credit, but not responsibility. I think it is mostly dumbo feathers and emperor's new clothes

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I sometimes think people can have too much therapy.

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I don't think everyone needs therapy. So that premise is false in my view. I mean, the argument is something like, "society is messed up so everyone needs therapy. But if society is messed up, then we should focus on fixing society instead of individuals."


However, I believe it's much more complicated than that. People can also "want" therapy. They don't have to "need" it to go.

I'm at a point where I both "need" and "want" therapy because it's geniunely helpful for me.

Also societal wrongs do not necessarily "cause" mental illness (once again, in my view).

I will admit, however, that there is individualism present in the whole statement that people should work on themselves. Maybe we should work on the "collective" instead or in conjunction with "working on ourselves."

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I struggle with this general idea a lot. As in, what T and I were just talking about last week, I say to her sometimes "Why do I have to keep doing this difficult work on myself year after year, when it seems like everybody else I know gets to run around willy-nilly and not care about it?!"

And yet, what a better world it would be if a whole lot more people did do their inner work, whether it is with a therapist or not, maybe at least some of the systemic stuff could be resolved.

I agree with that. A lot of people could benefit from therapy. Most people I know .
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Not everyone needs therapy. Some do and some don't. Also people see a t for many different reasons. Some see therapists because they have a disorder, therapists might be helpful etc Having a disorder is not a systemic or society issue whatsoever. Some see therapists for help with bereavement. It’s systemic issue that someone died and person might need help to get through?

The whole idea is silly
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Not everyone needs therapy. Some do and some don't. Also people see a t for many different reasons. Some see therapists because they have a disorder, therapists might be helpful etc Having a disorder is not a systemic or society issue whatsoever. Some see therapists for help with bereavement. It’s systemic issue that someone died and person might need help to get through?

The whole idea is silly

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The initial premise is a fallacy to start with. So the 'argument' does not have a leg to stand on.
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