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Default Jan 17, 2022 at 06:03 PM
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Maybe this offers you the opportunity to explore how you can tolerate someone not being 100% transparent. She is withholding something from you (albeit with your best interest in mind) and in so doing she is implicitly, and possibly unconsciously, demonstrating that she is separate from you. She is not completely accessible to you. I imagine that opens up some attachment wound for you.

As I read your posts, I was reminded of my unpleasant but persistent desire to control my therapist. Expecting complete honesty, and being threatened by anything less than that, feels like a need to control aspects of the relationship. A kind of panic. I say this without any judgement. The threat of dishonesty (or even the perception of such a threat) is very hard to navigate when trust is paramount.
Sorry for not responding sooner. I had to go see family for lunch.

This definitely opens up attachment wounds. She said that too!

I'm sort of trying to control her, I guess. For her answering the question: yes, I want a "yes" or "no" answer. Normally her answer for this topic is a "I don't have a judgment on this subject". It frustrates me and confuses me, but I am learning to accept that answer from her because I get it a lot.

Yes! Trust is paramount for me. Honesty is more important than trying to save my feelings. I can't do anything with lies. I know because H is a compulsive liar. I also have first-hand knowledge of how lies can destroy people's lives.

I will say this: I do believe in boundaries, limits, and privacy. I do not expect L or anyone else to be completely open with. I've asked L some very personal questions all of which she has answered. But I never asked for details as a sign of respect for her. She knows this.

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Default Jan 17, 2022 at 06:13 PM
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Just as a side comment, it doesn't even matter if you aren't trying hard, Scarlet! Sometimes I put in zero effort to my responses and reactions! This stuff is really hard and it's fine to not put in your best effort all the time. We are imperfect creatures. In my therapy, I let out the foul little creature who resides in my dark heart ... and my therapist loves me (of a kind) despite this. You don't need to be best girl.
Thank you. That's sort of what I'm practicing by talking about the secret with her. I feel it my most deep, darkest, disgusting part of myself. And though it's hard for me to believe, L says she loves me still. "More to know, more to love".

My perfectionism does often get in the way of things. I try so hard to be a "good" client. There's a quote L and I use:
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First, I hope your phone call goes well!

Are you partly struggling with the fact that she doesn't have an answer yet? This is a completely different situation. But it makes me think of a few years ago, when, at the end of a session, I had said something to Dr. T about his wanting to say "I care about you." And he said he was willing to say "I care about your well-being," but not so sure about saying that. And I called him (the only time I did that, actually--always email or text) and left this weepy voicemail about wanting him to say "I care about you."

He texted in reply, saying he wasn't so sure why those specific words were so important to me. He offered me an earlier session, including one the next day, but said he wasn't sure if he'd have enough time to think about it before that. I think I ended up taking that session anyway. But it bothered me that he had to put so much thought into it--like, in my mind, either he cared about *me* vs. just my well-being, or he didn't. And if he had to think about it, it suggested that he didn't care about me (he wanted to choose his words carefully). Things are very different with him now--I still don't think he would say those actual words, but he's explained why--personal vs. professional life and also not related to the amount of care--and I get it and accept it.

But anyway, that was a long story just to say that I understand how it can be difficult if someone is unsure how to answer something and needs to think about it. In this case, I think L is just trying to be really careful and not just say the first thing that comes to her mind, because she knows how important this is for you (as opposed to how Dr. T was at the time, which was more along the lines of holding boundaries).
I am struggling with her not having a definite answer, however, I was more upset thinking she was holding back her opinion because of her assumption of my reaction.

I can sit with the anxiety of not knowing her answer so long as we continue to be honest and so long as she figures out her own anxiety. I hope processing what everything means to me will give her relief when ot comes down to answer.

I do think this is similar to your situation with Dr. T. I also had the same happen with T. I told T I love her, and she said she can't say it back to me. The most she'll ever say is "take care". With L, I don't think I have a preference to a "yes" or "no". I do think the answer will help me gage where she is at with all of this.

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Default Jan 17, 2022 at 06:20 PM
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I just want to also add that I'm not looking for L to forgive me or judge me. I personally believe only God can do that. Like I said in my last reply, I just want to gage where she's at.

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Default Jan 17, 2022 at 09:29 PM
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Phone call went extremely well. I think L and I are on the same page. A ton was clarified in the 40mins. She still doesn't have an answer, but through me processing the secret and related topics, plus her doing some thinking on her own, she feels she might be able to give me a yes or no answer and will probably be willing to tell me. A lot of unknowns, but I'm okay with that. I told her to just let me be free to feel my own emotions just like I need to let her be free to feeling hers.

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Glad to her that the call went well, Scarlet!
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Sitting with uncomfortable feelings or with questions is something that will come. You have an urgency to know answers NOW when hopefully in time you can sit with a curiosity about questions rather than a fear of them and the variety of answers you predict.
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Default Jan 18, 2022 at 05:52 PM
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I got an answer for one part! And it makes me feel like she is tracking, understanding, and present...even of she hasn't answered the main question. I can wait for the other answer now that I know she's following. Besides, it will be a more honest answer if I do wait.

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Smart line of thinking that it will be a more honest answer if you wait and she has time to properly consider. I wish a few people I know understood this.

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Default Jan 18, 2022 at 10:02 PM
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When I saw a t (I don’t now) she assumed things on few occasions. She didn’t even know me well. It pissed me off and I spoke about it. She was apologetic.

Your t doesn’t sounds like she is assuming though. More like unsure of what’s best
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