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Default Mar 16, 2024 at 09:10 PM
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I thought everything today was actually going well. We were getting to the core pains, personally and with the leave. I felt like she was tracking, maybe even understanding. I even was able to do a little eye contact. And then I remembered something she said that upset me. We skipped over it, but now it's starting to eat away at me. She said something like I could have emailed more often. Like what?!?! The agreement was one email a week! I could have emailed more... WTH?!?! I'm so angry if that was supposed to be an understanding because clearly I didn't get it. It's just mind-boggling that I could have had more from her when I really needed her?

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Default Mar 16, 2024 at 09:30 PM
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I thought everything today was actually going well. We were getting to the core pains, personally and with the leave. I felt like she was tracking, maybe even understanding. I even was able to do a little eye contact. And then I remembered something she said that upset me. We skipped over it, but now it's starting to eat away at me. She said something like I could have emailed more often. Like what?!?! The agreement was one email a week! I could have emailed more... WTH?!?! I'm so angry if that was supposed to be an understanding because clearly I didn't get it. It's just mind-boggling that I could have had more from her when I really needed her?
Hugs, Scarlet. Do you mean she said that *she* could have emailed more often or that *you* could have? If she's saying that she could have emailed more often, you may want to clarify what she meant. Are you sure she wasn't apologizing? In the sense of, "It would have helped you if I'd emailed more often." Sort of like, "I could have done better."

If she's saying that *you* could have emailed her more often, that's a bit different. But at the same time, would it have helped if she wouldn't have been able to respond? Whichever thing she meant, I'd definitely talk about it more.
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Default Mar 16, 2024 at 10:45 PM
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You're right. It wouldn't make a difference how much I could have written. I needed her engagement.

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Default Mar 17, 2024 at 07:47 PM
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We have been talking about it in email... I feel like she's blaming me. She's saying I could have reach out however much I needed like any other vacation/leave. And that she appreciates when I'm direct and open with my needs. ??? I not only feel confused, but blamed and chastised.

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We have been talking about it in email... I feel like she's blaming me. She's saying I could have reach out however much I needed like any other vacation/leave. And that she appreciates when I'm direct and open with my needs. ??? I not only feel confused, but blamed and chastised.

Hugs, Scarlet. I'm sorry she's blaming you--that's not fair. I remember you saying on here how she was allowing one email a week. Did she forget she'd told you that? I hope you can work this out.
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Default Mar 17, 2024 at 09:53 PM
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No. She says she first told me that her maternity leave was like the other leaves/vacation. And then I came up with only once a week update emails. I am the one that chose once a week because I thought that was the most she'd agree to because I didn't know it was unlimited... Why would this leave be like the other leaves/vacations. If I could have just depended on her, then why did we find G? I just don't understand. I don't understand why we agreed to once a week or why we needed G if I could have unlimited contact. And why would I assume this leave was the same? She gave birth and is breastfeeding and has sleepless nights. Why would I assume she had any time for me? Once a week I thought I was lucky to get. But now... I suffered through everything for no reason???

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Default Mar 18, 2024 at 04:11 AM
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I'm sorry, Scarlet.

I feel you were in the right with how you responded to L's leave.
It's reasonable to think that an expectant mother's focus would be elsewhere.
It's possible that L wanted you to have a backup plan in G, if she was unavailable for any reason.

I'm sorry for the pain you are in.

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Default Mar 18, 2024 at 11:57 AM
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Thanks Lost.

If we're going off the assumption that the maternity leave is NOT like other leaves, then having G or some other backup therapist makes sense.

I think I'm going to need to either stop emailing her or tell her not to respond. I don't enjoy this constant contact. I just wanted to express myself, not really process. I feel like I need to keep space. Even though I like the connection, I just don't want to depend on it.

I am jist getting frustrated. I'm tired of so much pain. I just want to skip to the part where it's all better.

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Default Mar 18, 2024 at 07:47 PM
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I hate myself. L and I have been emailing all weekend. The last time she wrote was 9 hours ago. I responded 30mins after. I have waited all day for a response. I'm so pathetic. Why would I think she would continue the conversation? That she would respond in a timely manner? She has a full life. I have none. I don't think I can do this anymore. All of this: emailing, therapy, life. And I can't be in an intimate off-balanced relationship. It's not fair to be so vulnerable and the other person risks nothing.

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Default Mar 18, 2024 at 07:49 PM
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Hugs, Scarlet. I get it...
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Default Mar 18, 2024 at 08:29 PM
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Scarlett if for no other reason its just good practice to have a therapist on record in case of a hospitalization or other needs the absolutely couldn't wait. That is the likely reason for G.

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Default Mar 19, 2024 at 02:14 PM
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Thanks LT. I'm sorry that you also get it, but it's reassuring that I'm not alone.

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Default Mar 19, 2024 at 02:18 PM
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Deejay, you make a great point. I do have an emergency therapist if I need. T has been there for me for almost 9 years. She said, not promised, that she won't abandon me and will be there until she can't (like if she retires). Even though I struggle with connecting with her now, it's nice to have someone who is always there.

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Default Mar 19, 2024 at 02:24 PM
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So L finally responded at 6:30pm. I was too upset by then, so I threatened quitting. She suggested we have a phone call this morning. Once again, I did something wrong. With my expectations with emails, I should have assumed she wouldn't write back until noon the next day... So certain assumptions are okay (should have assumed before noon rule) vs some assumptions are wrong (that the maternity leave wasn't like the others)?

We keep missing each other. It's beyond frustrating. I don't think this is how we used to be? I just want my old relationship back.

Session with her in 6 mins...

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Good luck! I hope she can be there for you in a way you need and that you can reconnect at least a little bit.
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More crying. AND progress! Let's hope that I can hold onto it and something doesn't derail me.

We went through so much again that I can't remember the first half of the session. Second half, we talked about why she wasn't there the two weeks before she came back (makes sense now). We also talked about our common ground: honesty, respect, care, love, keep trying, teammates, seek understanding, etc. She said she is not my enemy, that I don't need to be good or small to keep her. We talked about treating myself to good things, giving my grief a break. And we talked about how physical boundaries slowly become internal boundaries, but that it's not something you just choose to do. It happens over time.

I don't know. I still have one major question: why didn't she find me another therapist when G and J didn't work out?

I still went through what I went through. It was real. And it's frustrating that neither one of us changed direction. We just followed our agreements. She did say that we won't do this again in the future. That we will not repeat this now that we know better what I need. But I still need to work on asking for what I need.

Our 5 year anniversary is coming up. She wants me to ask her for what I'd like: to do in-person that day. I want to, but I also don't think I could handle a no. But I should just ask. Ugh!

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Default Mar 22, 2024 at 05:27 PM
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L and I had our first safety support call this morning. It was a really bad night last night. It was a good and helpful call. She helped me figure out a lot of things including processing what happened and how to make it through it all today. And the phone call felt wrong, too. I don't feel like I should be depending on her. I was able to do my own safety while she was gone. I just feel like I shouldn't have reached out. Once again I'm confused over her.

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Hugs, Scarlet. I think you see her tomorrow (Saturday), right? I hope that session is helpful.
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Yep, tomorrow. And we have a lot to talk about. I had to make a list so I wouldn't forget. Our anniversary is coming up and I asked if we could meet that day in person, we need to discuss how the safety support landed on me, how doing "are you there?" emails feel, and I want to bring a first item back that I've had since her leave.

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Lists are good in my experience, Scarlet.
Mine tends to grow in the run up to a session.

I'm impressed that you could ask to meet in person - I know that would have been hard.

It feels like you're on your way to getting back on track with L...at least I hope so.

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