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#181
I thought everything today was actually going well. We were getting to the core pains, personally and with the leave. I felt like she was tracking, maybe even understanding. I even was able to do a little eye contact. And then I remembered something she said that upset me. We skipped over it, but now it's starting to eat away at me. She said something like I could have emailed more often. Like what?!?! The agreement was one email a week! I could have emailed more... WTH?!?! I'm so angry if that was supposed to be an understanding because clearly I didn't get it. It's just mind-boggling that I could have had more from her when I really needed her?
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#182
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If she's saying that *you* could have emailed her more often, that's a bit different. But at the same time, would it have helped if she wouldn't have been able to respond? Whichever thing she meant, I'd definitely talk about it more. |
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#183
You're right. It wouldn't make a difference how much I could have written. I needed her engagement.
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#184
We have been talking about it in email... I feel like she's blaming me. She's saying I could have reach out however much I needed like any other vacation/leave. And that she appreciates when I'm direct and open with my needs. ??? I not only feel confused, but blamed and chastised.
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Hugs, Scarlet. I'm sorry she's blaming you--that's not fair. I remember you saying on here how she was allowing one email a week. Did she forget she'd told you that? I hope you can work this out. |
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#186
No. She says she first told me that her maternity leave was like the other leaves/vacation. And then I came up with only once a week update emails. I am the one that chose once a week because I thought that was the most she'd agree to because I didn't know it was unlimited... Why would this leave be like the other leaves/vacations. If I could have just depended on her, then why did we find G? I just don't understand. I don't understand why we agreed to once a week or why we needed G if I could have unlimited contact. And why would I assume this leave was the same? She gave birth and is breastfeeding and has sleepless nights. Why would I assume she had any time for me? Once a week I thought I was lucky to get. But now... I suffered through everything for no reason???
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#187
I'm sorry, Scarlet.
I feel you were in the right with how you responded to L's leave. It's reasonable to think that an expectant mother's focus would be elsewhere. It's possible that L wanted you to have a backup plan in G, if she was unavailable for any reason. I'm sorry for the pain you are in. __________________ 'Somewhere up above the great divide Where the sky is wide, and the clouds are few A man can see his way clear to the light 'You have all the grace you need for today, and today is all that matters.' - Steve Austin |
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#188
Thanks Lost.
If we're going off the assumption that the maternity leave is NOT like other leaves, then having G or some other backup therapist makes sense. I think I'm going to need to either stop emailing her or tell her not to respond. I don't enjoy this constant contact. I just wanted to express myself, not really process. I feel like I need to keep space. Even though I like the connection, I just don't want to depend on it. I am jist getting frustrated. I'm tired of so much pain. I just want to skip to the part where it's all better. __________________ "Odium became your opium..." ~Epica |
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#189
I hate myself. L and I have been emailing all weekend. The last time she wrote was 9 hours ago. I responded 30mins after. I have waited all day for a response. I'm so pathetic. Why would I think she would continue the conversation? That she would respond in a timely manner? She has a full life. I have none. I don't think I can do this anymore. All of this: emailing, therapy, life. And I can't be in an intimate off-balanced relationship. It's not fair to be so vulnerable and the other person risks nothing.
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#190
Hugs, Scarlet. I get it...
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#191
Scarlett if for no other reason its just good practice to have a therapist on record in case of a hospitalization or other needs the absolutely couldn't wait. That is the likely reason for G.
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#192
Thanks LT. I'm sorry that you also get it, but it's reassuring that I'm not alone.
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#193
Deejay, you make a great point. I do have an emergency therapist if I need. T has been there for me for almost 9 years. She said, not promised, that she won't abandon me and will be there until she can't (like if she retires). Even though I struggle with connecting with her now, it's nice to have someone who is always there.
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#194
So L finally responded at 6:30pm. I was too upset by then, so I threatened quitting. She suggested we have a phone call this morning. Once again, I did something wrong. With my expectations with emails, I should have assumed she wouldn't write back until noon the next day... So certain assumptions are okay (should have assumed before noon rule) vs some assumptions are wrong (that the maternity leave wasn't like the others)?
We keep missing each other. It's beyond frustrating. I don't think this is how we used to be? I just want my old relationship back. Session with her in 6 mins... __________________ "Odium became your opium..." ~Epica |
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#196
More crying. AND progress! Let's hope that I can hold onto it and something doesn't derail me.
We went through so much again that I can't remember the first half of the session. Second half, we talked about why she wasn't there the two weeks before she came back (makes sense now). We also talked about our common ground: honesty, respect, care, love, keep trying, teammates, seek understanding, etc. She said she is not my enemy, that I don't need to be good or small to keep her. We talked about treating myself to good things, giving my grief a break. And we talked about how physical boundaries slowly become internal boundaries, but that it's not something you just choose to do. It happens over time. I don't know. I still have one major question: why didn't she find me another therapist when G and J didn't work out? I still went through what I went through. It was real. And it's frustrating that neither one of us changed direction. We just followed our agreements. She did say that we won't do this again in the future. That we will not repeat this now that we know better what I need. But I still need to work on asking for what I need. Our 5 year anniversary is coming up. She wants me to ask her for what I'd like: to do in-person that day. I want to, but I also don't think I could handle a no. But I should just ask. Ugh! __________________ "Odium became your opium..." ~Epica |
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#197
L and I had our first safety support call this morning. It was a really bad night last night. It was a good and helpful call. She helped me figure out a lot of things including processing what happened and how to make it through it all today. And the phone call felt wrong, too. I don't feel like I should be depending on her. I was able to do my own safety while she was gone. I just feel like I shouldn't have reached out. Once again I'm confused over her.
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#198
Hugs, Scarlet. I think you see her tomorrow (Saturday), right? I hope that session is helpful.
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Yep, tomorrow. And we have a lot to talk about. I had to make a list so I wouldn't forget. Our anniversary is coming up and I asked if we could meet that day in person, we need to discuss how the safety support landed on me, how doing "are you there?" emails feel, and I want to bring a first item back that I've had since her leave.
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Lists are good in my experience, Scarlet.
Mine tends to grow in the run up to a session. I'm impressed that you could ask to meet in person - I know that would have been hard. It feels like you're on your way to getting back on track with L...at least I hope so. __________________ 'Somewhere up above the great divide Where the sky is wide, and the clouds are few A man can see his way clear to the light 'You have all the grace you need for today, and today is all that matters.' - Steve Austin |
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