[ECHOES]

screw it all. every last bit o this crap.

(((((((((((((((((((((Echoes)))))))))))))))))))))))))

I hear you!

Want to share what's going on??

((((((((echoes))))))))))

oh, i'm sorry you're having a crappy time. it seems a lot of people i know are having a rough week.

[free2beme]

((((((((echoes))))))))))

what's going on??? we're here for you.

[deliquesce]

(((ECHOES)))
sending you lots of love.

on a side note - i'm surprised that 'crap' isn't a word that gets filtered here? how exciting .

[missboots]

Echoes, Sorry your having a hard time! HUGS!

((((Echoes))))),
I'm really worried about you. You're really having difficulty expressing how you feel

Okay, seriously, I know how you feel. I hope you are okay. If you feel like discussing it, we're all here for you. Take care of yourself and keep safe. Hugs.

[hangingon]

Echos

I'm sorry things are so rough for you right now.

[Simcha]

Originally Posted by ECHOES

screw it all. every last bit o this crap.

Wish I had more to offer you than an E-HUG!

[coconut64]

((((((((((((((((((echoes)))))))))))))))))

I'm having a hard time in T too. Just wanted to send you lots of support and a hug. Hang in there

[pegasus]

Originally Posted by ECHOES

screw it all. every last bit o this crap.

Yes I've felt like that many a time.

Sending hugs ((((((((((((( ECHOES )))))))))))))

[peaches100]

(((Echoes)))

What's the matter? I'm sorry you feel so bad. Do you want to talk about it? If not, at least accept this:

[MissCharlotte]

((Echoes))

Have you been able to call T and tell her why you are sick of it? Rant into the phone?

It sounds like you are overwhelmed. When I get like that I know it's time to retreat and try like hell to take care of myself in the here and now. That can mean sharing what's in my head but it can also mean doing something like book shopping. Well, actually sometimes I'm stuck in it and I don't know it's time for self care but I offer that to you. Ugh. This is so hard.

Peaceout.

[chaotic13]

(((Echoes))) not sure what is going on but I hope your coping OK.

[pachyderm]

Originally Posted by ECHOES

screw it all. every last bit o this crap.

Tell us how you really feel, Echoes...

[ECHOES]

Thank you for all your kind words, compassion, and humor.

MissC, you know exactly where I am.

Orig posted by MissC ...Well, actually sometimes I'm stuck in it and I don't know it's time for self care but I offer that to you. Ugh. This is so hard.

Maybe the actual utimate lesson in T is to realize that we are alone.

[Simcha]

Originally Posted by ECHOES

Thank you for all your kind words, compassion, and humor.

MissC, you know exactly where I am.

Maybe the actual utimate lesson in T is to realize that we are alone.

No, we really aren't alone. You certainly aren't the first person to feel alone, and you won't be the last, but it isn't an accurate reflection of reality. None of us are truly alone.

To be direct, are you only focusing on all the "bad stuff" in life (past, present)?

[ECHOES]

Oh yes the reality IS that we are alone. We are all separate. And alone.

[Mouse_]

Echoes we are alone yes, but we dont have to be lonely...T often says that I feel as If I am loosing something when I feel moments of separateness from her, but she said you are actually gaining something, I am taking her "inside" and that is true, the more alone I feel, the more I feel with her...Its like walking around with my own permenant comfy blanket...mans conflict has been like this since the day we left the womb..do we go back into the dark? or do we venture out? we know the light is the only way, but its scary and we want someone with us at first, if your T is good enought, you will always have someone with you and with time you will enjoy your aloneness.

[Brightheart]

I can see what you mean, but I try to look at it a little differently. I suppose maybe all love eventually ends with loss or separation, but I honestly believe we do keep the gifts that person gave us. We can find ways to feel connected with them to keep them with us in spirit. My mother and I shared a love for animals. So whenever I'm holding my little hamster or picking up one of the cats, I can't help but to think of her. Or with t...if I do something to help someone, I feel close to him even though he isn't here physically. I try to keep those gifts given to me by anyone that I've loved and bring them back out as a part of me. This positive thinking is something I learned from t and another way to keep him with me. I also try to imagine a safe place in my heart for every person that I've loved. I can go somewhere quiet and close my eyes and try to find that place and remember it. It's something that is shared with only the loved one and there are many memories to hold and cherish. My mom's spunk and kindness...my friend's sense of humor... my t's smile and laugh...I think of those things and I still feel their joy in my heart. I still feel love in my heart. I still feel them. I don't feel alone. I think that in life people come along and hold our hands and help us through it. Maybe just for a short time or even for a long time...but whenever they do let go of our hands, we grow a little, learn a little and find some way to always remember and to always love. And to keep on trying.

I don't know if any of that is helpful. I hope you feel better.

[Simcha]

Originally Posted by ECHOES

Oh yes the reality IS that we are alone. We are all separate. And alone.

But what is alone to you?

Have you not people you love and care about who also care about you?
Your T cares about you. That makes you not alone.

No one can be with you at every single minute... but does that make you "alone"?

We are supposed to be independent beings who form relationships with others so that we are not feeling so "alone". Do you disagree?

I'm sorry that you feel so alone though.
Why don't you reach out and try to connect with others (lest the depression overtake you, the seductive bastard that depression is)

[phoenix7]

alone is a very hard place to be - but are you alone? look at all the connections you have made here - all the people who care for you - while you have connections to the world you can never truly be alone

We are all individuals encased in our own personal worlds - but its the connections we make with others that count - that make the darkness a little lighter and shows that sometimes it can just be a tunnel we are going through not a dead end.

I hope things improve for your soon - you are not alone - we are here with you P7

[MissCharlotte]

Originally Posted by ECHOES

Thank you for all your kind words, compassion, and humor.

MissC, you know exactly where I am.

Maybe the actual utimate lesson in T is to realize that we are alone.

Echoes, if you are where I think you are then some jackass turned the light out by mistake because it's so dark in there, and it's painful because there are tacks on the floor that make you cry when you step on them, so get out as soon as possible. I was in there nearly a month--way too long.

Yes, we are each alone. We are individual beings. But we arrive on this planet as individual social beings. So therein lies the dilemma. When we are wounded we retreat to the isolated individual being state because that's where we went when we were kids, but we are not meeting our social needs when we isolate. Apparently, as adults we are theoretically able to reach out instead of retreat inward. I am not saying I can do it, just that it's the message I seem to be hearing from a variety of sources

So, keep reaching out and posting. And we will socially respond.

Anhow, feel better. Take care of you.

((((((((((((((((((((echoes))))))))))))))))))

I wish I knew the words to make you feel better.

Please keep reaching out, wherever it helps - here, real life, whatever. Don't isolate - then you really WILL be alone. When I'm having a hard time, alone with my thoughts is the worst place to be.

We can PM, chat, write here...whatever helps.