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I'm not going to diagnose anyone but I had a bf once who was the same in many ways - He was primarily Dependent PD with entitlement, secondarily Borderline

My personal opinion is OP is not ready for independent life (no pun intended again). Not ready for a normal full time job

Ready maybe after a few years of intensive psychotherapy and such, or for a special job environment

OP only managed until now because that manager gave special support. But it should never have been the manager doing that, it should have been the years of intensive psychotherapy done first.

We are not going to be able to help here.

Managers and the like either at work will not be able to help you, OP. They will always run out of energy after a while because it just plain isn't sustainable by anyone, no matter how well-meaning, as it isn't a therapy environment with the right boundaries and background support for the therapist as well. So OP, you are just going to hurt yourself further that way. Be patient and wait until you get into therapy.
What kind of special job environment are you referring to?
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You need an accurate diagnoses by professionals. That way they understand where your inappropriate behaviors are coming from & why when people tell you something you really don't even comprehend what they are actually telling you. You need an accurate diagnosed so that hopefully you can be taught appropriate behaviors in general & in the work place. It is obvious you are not capable of being independent & like our psychologist told my ex in couples counseling that he had the emotional maturity of a teenager at the age of 54. If you don't get good treatment for whatever is causing you to behave this way, that is where you will end up too & people just don't have the patience to deal with people like that unless they are trained to deal with developmentally handicapped people & understand what their accurately diagnosed condition really is. It is NOT something treated or dealt with in the workplace. This is totally an issue that needs to be dealt with by professionals in the mental health profession.

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But that doesn't mean that those still on the spectrum can't lead normal lives. They just have Aspergers
BTW, It totally depends on where a person lies on the spectrum.

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a couple of which agreed to do “therapy” with me. I also asked a few coworkers to be my sisters and they said yes. I don’t have siblings you know.

Yet, the one way I deal with my grief is to keep the memory alive of the person he used to be. Changing my name and buying shakes for myself or for the bum outside helps me cope. And it’s always strawberry with Oreos.

I need to talk to my sister now
You are overstepping professional boundaries asking coworkers to do whatever you call "therapy." with you.

The changing of your name is creepy. Buying the same shake for the person outside is strange.

Ruby, I'll tell you the truth and then I'm going to leave your threads alone. Sometimes it seems like you fill your posts with weirder and weirder details and it almost feels like you're playing with us.

If you really are behaving like this at your workplace, you have no business working at all. If you're not on disability, you should probably look into that.
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You are overstepping professional boundaries asking coworkers to do whatever you call "therapy." with you.

The changing of your name is creepy. Buying the same shake for the person outside is strange.

Ruby, I'll tell you the truth and then I'm going to leave your threads alone. Sometimes it seems like you fill your posts with weirder and weirder details and it almost feels like you're playing with us.

If you really are behaving like this at your workplace, you have no business working at all. If you're not on disability, you should probably look into that.
I wish I could honestly say I was f”cking with you guys. Unfortunately, the details of my post actually happened. This is why my life is unbearable and excruciating.
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You need an accurate diagnoses by professionals. That way they understand where your inappropriate behaviors are coming from & why when people tell you something you really don't even comprehend what they are actually telling you. You need an accurate diagnosed so that hopefully you can be taught appropriate behaviors in general & in the work place. It is obvious you are not capable of being independent & like our psychologist told my ex in couples counseling that he had the emotional maturity of a teenager at the age of 54. If you don't get good treatment for whatever is causing you to behave this way, that is where you will end up too & people just don't have the patience to deal with people like that unless they are trained to deal with developmentally handicapped people & understand what their accurately diagnosed condition really is. It is NOT something treated or dealt with in the workplace. This is totally an issue that needs to be dealt with by professionals in the mental health profession.

BTW, It totally depends on where a person lies on the spectrum.
Exactly. Aspergers lead normal lives. Autism don’t.

Neurotypicals do unless they have mental illness. I moved completely off the spectrum at the end of high school only to be hit with borderline (which I’m sure I had some features of as well throughout my childhood).

I been treated as ASD throughout my 20s until I saw a specialist who worked extensively with personality disorders. Every other therapist I saw attributed my craziness to ASD. But I’m too socially savvy to be aspergers.

What else can I do while I wait for my appointment?
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Exactly. Aspergers lead normal lives. Autism don’t.

Neurotypicals do unless they have mental illness. I moved completely off the spectrum at the end of high school only to be hit with borderline (which I’m sure I had some features of as well throughout my childhood).

I been treated as ASD throughout my 20s until I saw a specialist who worked extensively with personality disorders. Every other therapist I saw attributed my craziness to ASD. But I’m too socially savvy to be aspergers.

What else can I do while I wait for my appointment?
Asperger is not being used as diagnosis anymore. It’s all ASD, what was considered Asperger before we s just mild ASD, that’s why it’s a spectrum

Yes people with ASD can live normal lives but many need help to navigate social cues and relationships

Ruby socially speaking things you do and say are very socially inappropriate. We aren’t here to diagnose you, you told us your diagnosis. Just telling you that your behaviors aren’t socially acceptable and aren’t socially savvy

ASD isn’t something you move away from, it’s not something that could go away. People with ASD could learn to navigate life and many lead successful lives but they don’t stop being on a spectrum. Who told you don’t have it anymore?
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You are overstepping professional boundaries asking coworkers to do whatever you call "therapy." with you.

The changing of your name is creepy. Buying the same shake for the person outside is strange.

Ruby, I'll tell you the truth and then I'm going to leave your threads alone. Sometimes it seems like you fill your posts with weirder and weirder details and it almost feels like you're playing with us.

If you really are behaving like this at your workplace, you have no business working at all. If you're not on disability, you should probably look into that.
Honestly some people with ASD do and say things that are hard to believe could be possibly true, yet they are true. That’s where the struggle often is.

But in situation with ruby after telling us for years that she has ASD she now says she doesn’t. That’s an interesting turn of event to say the least
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Autism Response Team (ART) | Autism Speaks

You can give them a call when you feel overwhelmed
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What kind of special job environment are you referring to?

As part of a rehabilitation program where a team of various professionals help people with mental illness to go live and work independently as far as possible. (It likely would take years in your case too.)

These programs are designed to help people with all kinds of mental illness, even schizophrenic people.

They do provide special job environments as part of that.

Psychiatric rehabilitation - Wikipedia

I have a nice thick book on this subject somewhere at home but I'm not able to get to it and look it up now. So I just googled the wiki article. If I remembered the title of the book I'd tell you, but unfortunately I do not.

It really sounds like so far no one focused enough on your case to help you with that enough. But I don't know about your history/background, I'm only going by this thread. But I do know that if they let you work in a regular McDonald's then you are not receiving the best possible care right now. And that is a problem for your mental health.

Good luck with getting better professional care.



EDIT: The last thing I want to add. Checking out divine1966's link, it does also mention:

"The Autism Response Team can help you learn more about (see the bolded especially):
  • Where to get a diagnosis
  • Schools and special education
  • Advocacy and support
  • Adult services - including post-secondary programs and employment
  • Inclusion and community activities
  • And much more!"

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You are overstepping professional boundaries asking coworkers to do whatever you call "therapy." with you.

I agree that she needs to just accept that she can't work without the right professional support given for now. Because whatever she's trying to keep working in that workplace, it's just hurting her obviously and a burden for other people who then will hurt her further because of it, even if they don't intentionally want to harm her.



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The changing of your name is creepy. Buying the same shake for the person outside is strange.

It's certainly not in line with normal social standards but at least the person outside got a nice meal And yeah she will have to learn to process her grief using her own emotional imagination or other techniques without having to display it to everyone around her, even to relative strangers like coworkers.



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Ruby, I'll tell you the truth and then I'm going to leave your threads alone. Sometimes it seems like you fill your posts with weirder and weirder details and it almost feels like you're playing with us.

Mental illness can be like that especially near a mental breakdown. It can be disturbing for those witnessing but we cannot blame the person for it. I hope she gets the help she needs, in a professional context, where she is least likely to get hurt and overloaded more.




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Asperger is not being used as diagnosis anymore. It’s all ASD, what was considered Asperger before we s just mild ASD, that’s why it’s a spectrum

Yes people with ASD can live normal lives but many need help to navigate social cues and relationships

Ruby socially speaking things you do and say are very socially inappropriate. We aren’t here to diagnose you, you told us your diagnosis. Just telling you that your behaviors aren’t socially acceptable and aren’t socially savvy

ASD isn’t something you move away from, it’s not something that could go away. People with ASD could learn to navigate life and many lead successful lives but they don’t stop being on a spectrum. Who told you don’t have it anymore?

Agreed. My thinking - without knowing any of the previous background tbh - is that it may be ASD (and maybe there's a touch of Dependent PD, but I'm not diagnosing!!), and because of how she's trying to fit into the world without enough professional support, she's starting to display more Borderline symptoms because of the overwhelm too, plus maybe has BPD issues anyway.

So it's definitely very much worth a try checking this out, whether support/resources for ASD people would help her. In my understanding, ASD and other non-neurotypical people cannot really change themselves beyond a point and they shouldn't even force it, they just need to find a way to manage. Or otherwise it'll be overload and further mental illness like the above, I imagine.


That's just one possible interpretation though re: ASD, I have very little information here, the only one thing I am sure of is OP needs professional help & stop overloading herself with trying too hard for now. Because a lot of the symptoms she's displaying right now are due to that, like her other thread too. It's definitely concerning.

I think I can't add more to this thread though. I'm not going to post more on here.
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I agree that she needs to just accept that she can't work without the right professional support given for now. Because whatever she's trying to keep working in that workplace, it's just hurting her obviously and a burden for other people who then will hurt her further because of it, even if they don't intentionally want to harm her.





It's certainly not in line with normal social standards but at least the person outside got a nice meal And yeah she will have to learn to process her grief using her own emotional imagination or other techniques without having to display it to everyone around her, even to relative strangers like coworkers.





Mental illness can be like that especially near a mental breakdown. It can be disturbing for those witnessing but we cannot blame the person for it. I hope she gets the help she needs, in a professional context, where she is least likely to get hurt and overloaded more.






Agreed. My thinking - without knowing any of the previous background tbh - is that it may be ASD (and maybe there's a touch of Dependent PD, but I'm not diagnosing!!), and because of how she's trying to fit into the world without enough professional support, she's starting to display more Borderline symptoms because of the overwhelm too, plus maybe has BPD issues anyway.

So it's definitely very much worth a try checking this out, whether support/resources for ASD people would help her. In my understanding, ASD and other non-neurotypical people cannot really change themselves beyond a point and they shouldn't even force it, they just need to find a way to manage. Or otherwise it'll be overload and further mental illness like the above, I imagine.


That's just one possible interpretation though re: ASD, I have very little information here, the only one thing I am sure of is OP needs professional help & stop overloading herself with trying too hard for now. Because a lot of the symptoms she's displaying right now are due to that, like her other thread too. It's definitely concerning.

I think I can't add more to this thread though. I'm not going to post more on here.
None of us are diagnosing anything. Ruby is diagnosed with ASD. It’s not that she “may or may not” have it. She’s been receiving services due to ASD for many years. She was also diagnosed with BPD. We are going by what she shared. It’s not a guessing game
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None of us are diagnosing anything. Ruby is diagnosed with ASD. It’s not that she “may or may not” have it. She’s been receiving services due to ASD for many years. She was also diagnosed with BPD. We are going by what she shared. It’s not a guessing game

Yeah I remember seeing her on chat. I was instrumental in getting my ex fiancé diagnosed with ASD. I thought he had bpd. The two seem to overlap . Food service is definitely not the right environment for someone with ASD and BPD. Does Ruby not have agency support? Someone should show these posts to her worker.
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Yeah I remember seeing her on chat. I was instrumental in getting my ex fiancé diagnosed with ASD. I thought he had bpd. The two seem to overlap . Food service is definitely not the right environment for someone with ASD and BPD. Does Ruby not have agency support? Someone should show these posts to her worker.
She used to have agency support. I am not sure what happened.
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She used to have agency support. I am not sure what happened
Even then there were still serious problems she was having. They just let her keep spinning her work wheels where she was being unsuccessful & doing nothing about it

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Even then there were still serious problems she was having. They just let her keep spinning her work wheels where she was being unsuccessful & doing nothing about it
Seemed that way. But then again we only know what we see on here.
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She used to have agency support. I am not sure what happened.

I’m surprised she hasn’t been fired .
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I was in therapy usually 3 times a week while i was working, and i still had a very difficult time. My managers often told me i was unprofessional (and i worked in an office environment).

Managers often talked about having balance in your life, which i lacked. I had no personal life. My family of origin was a source of angst, not support. I see a lot of similarities between myself and Ruby. I would "leak" personal issues all over my coworkers.

Part of it was not being medicated. Prozac hadnt even been invented yet. But a lot of it was upbringing and just who i was. I was lucky that i had a high iq and was really good at my job, but eventually i got let go from every job i ever had, when, as my last boss said, i became more trouble than i was worth. My family was also increasing pressure on me at that time. It is hard when no one is on your side in life.
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When that GM stopped by 6 weeks ago, he wanted to borrow cleaning supplies because of upcoming inspection at his store. Right as he was heading out the door, my coworker M started talking to him about his own blood sugar cuz M recently developed diabetes,

I expected that GM (I’ll call him J) to rebuff him cuz J was busy AF. Instead J engaged in that conversation for at least a couple minutes. Right after that, I attempted to talk to J as well jokingly asking him to stay awhile. He never acknowledged what I said to him. Instead, he immediately just said, “bye (insert my name).”

I cried in the restroom for half sn hour while still on the clock. That was the day J first walked out on me.

Even worse, a few days later, M told me he and J were messaging each other food they ate each night and low carb recipes. My heart visibly shattered into a million pieces. M then quickly added that other than that they don’t really talk to each other. Supposed to take the edge off my wound. Nope too late. I spent almost an hour crying in the lobby while clocked on (it wasn’t even remotely busy that early in the morning).

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Fired for what exactly?
Behavior unacceptable to the workplace, not doing your job for the time you are paid for. I am sure the list could be easily added to if they really wanted to

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