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Question Aug 11, 2022 at 12:57 AM
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So this friend, I will use a made up name for them, for the sake of their privacy.
We will name them Kate.

Okay so Kate and I knew each other way back at high school, though we fall apart because I moved school.

We reconnected through Facebook and messager, and our friendship started at a time when one of her parent's was slowly dying sadly.

The friendship seem at the time for me was genuine. We started a art class online for kids once a week and we take turns once a week to teach.
However after a while...I notice I was doing everything, for example posting socail media content from videos to reminder posts for my art class and Kate's as well. I was creating the event pages too.
After a while I assume Kate felt guilty and told me she will do her own event page for the art class. Though...after time...week by week it slowly went from posting it at the begining of the week to 3 days or 2 days before the art class. I would find myself reminding her which is frustrating on my end.

I know she has a full time job and it's full on, but she goes on dates with guys during her work week. So I see it as she has the time to make a event page. It doesn't take much effort.

Then one day Kate told me "You can teach the kids the fundamentals of drawing and I will teach them the dirty tricks"
Because I'm a people pleaser....I was like oh yep. But deep down I'm angry about this. It goes against my vaules, and every child should learn the fundamentals if they don't they run into trouble and have to re teach themselves as they get older. Happened to me.

Anyway, I was contacted by this community centre to do a art class for the kids in person..They asked me directly not through our art class. I thought to involved my friend Kate since I felt a bit scared to do it all by myself and I have socail anxiety.

My friend wanted to do it for free. However I wanted us to get paid, because it's the cost of driving,petrol and time put into a class.
The person who contacted me to do the class we will name them Rory, insisted to pay us $40. I told Kate this and she said ask them if it's $40 each? so I did and Rory replied in email "you can spilt that up between you and your friend".
My friend Kate was annoyed and told me I should've negotiate better.
I felt ashamed and it kept going through my mind over and over.
I told my partner and he said but Kate wanted it for Free and I somehow forgot that and realised Im confused were Kate stands on this.. I told my brother and he said well you said for free because Kate told you to and Rory insisted $40 so there wouldn't be negotiating.

I pretty much orgainsed the whole event but I kept letting Kate make choices like what date to do it at. Instead of me chosing.

Kate told me she will email me flyers to print for the class but didn't, I had to remind her.

I asked her to do the invoice payment because at least she can do one thing. Well...she forgot and I had to remind her.

We did have a phone call the night before the art class because I was really anxious to do the class. So Kate suggested she will do the intro a f the health and safety and the warm class. Which I did appreciate that.

Doing the live class in person went well.
Though I taught the kids and she stand on the side to help the kids here and there where as my partner helped out a lot more.

I eventually built the courage to message them saying this and they haven't bother to read my message after 4 days!
I said this quote "I was thinking because we might have new kids in the class, it would be good to keep on the fundamental drawing steps, because then we are consistent in our teaching of the fundamentals, help them to reinforce good habits and in the long run their art will improve. I recalled going back to the basic with my art teacher and I started to improve heaps again."

Besides the art class.
Kate has seem to become distance, she has gone to therapy and now she has suddenly stop talking to me about her work problems or family life. I did suggest her to go to therapy because she was waking up anxious every morning to go to work.
But now, it's like we don't talk unless it's the art class.
I feel a bit sad by this and I do feel a bit used like I was therapist at the time before she went to therapy and now she doesn't talk to me.

She doesn't reply to my messages. It's like a couple days in-between. But she is online.

If it's something important to say related to art class then she would reply.
She told me once how she forgets to reply to people. It's not personal.

I said "yeah I notice that, you seem to reply in the evenings." After I said that, she suddenly stopped replying to me in the evenings.

I don't really know what to do. I spoke to a friend and they said this that friends should invite you to spend time with you. So now after she has said that, it's now clicking over my head.

Thoughts?
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Kate doesn't seem like much of a friend.
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The way I’m reading this it sounds like Kate has you doing all the organising/work?

What do you feel you gain from this relationship?
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Thoughts? It is very personal. She is not much of a friend to you.

I would also stop involving her in any projects going forward. She has her priorities and she makes it abundantly clear, through her actions, that you are not one of them.
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The way I’m reading this it sounds like Kate has you doing all the organising/work?

What do you feel you gain from this relationship?
That's a good question.

Well I don't have a lot of friends. So at the time I thought she was a friend. But then after I spoke to my support worker, I realised it wasn't the case.
And so my mind is now spinning in a way connecting everything up in the last 6 months.

So far they haven't bothered to message me this whole week, and today they are doing the online class, I will ask what's going on..
But...I think they may be emotional intelligence low maybe.
I just think this because they are like 32 and the longest realtionship they have ever been is 5 months. They see yeps of guys from online, and seem to be very fussy. I guess to the point it's not helping then and how they are always suss with guys. Kate told me how she goes out with a guy for couple of months and then starts complaining to them to other friends, eventually breaks off with them. And how freeing it was.

So I think to myself if they are like that with realtionships like that, what are they like with friendships.
They seem to have a lot of friends though.
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Do you think it might be time to work on meeting new friends? Maybe you can find a more reciprocal friendship with others whose values match your own?
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Do you think it might be time to work on meeting new friends? Maybe you can find a more reciprocal friendship with others whose values match your own?
yeah that's what my partner said. I find it hard to make new friends she to my socail anxiety and really bad experience with toxic friends in the past.

I just feel trap in the situation because of the art class, so I'm finding it hard to pull away from her. We do it once a week, on a weekly bases, online zoom class.
Don't know how to approach it.

oh and Kate did message me yesturday! before class started. saying " morning! let's talk after class - I've got a packed weekend so I can't meet in person, sorry"

I did wonder now I'm not sure, but is there a feature where you can view people messages, without clicking it on. So it doesn't appear "view" I'm asking this because I mention to do fundamentals to teach the kids, and when I watched she seemed to do that. And we'll...you can't look at a message 5 mins before class starts and suddenly figure out how to draw fundamentals. It takes time. And she told me it takes like an hour for her to figure it out before the class starts.
So I am wondering if there is a feature or apps that do that.
I know it sounds a bit paraiond but I don't like being treated that way.

I did spoke to Kate yesturday before our art class started, I asked if everything is okay? she said yes, and seemed happy.
I asked are you sure? and she said yep.
So we are okay? because I notice I message you but you didn't got back to me. She said oh yes, I was telling myself to reply back to you.
I then asked "so if anything happened between us, you will tell me"? and she said "oh yes, you would know".
After the class we had a chat through zoom about art class, I asked how her week was and she said she been on dates with guys.
I thought to myself! I knew it! she is having a grand old time and me was worried about her and I have constantly try to remind her to do things!!! for the art class.
It kinda pisst me off. Of course I didn't reacted that way when she told me. I guess I message a passive aggressive comment and said "Oh so that's how it is"
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Thoughts? It is very personal. She is not much of a friend to you.

I would also stop involving her in any projects going forward. She has her priorities and she makes it abundantly clear, through her actions, that you are not one of them.
Can I ask what signs you saw that didn't sound like much of friend.

I'm asking so I can pick up in this earlier than like 6 months down track.
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She sounds like an acquittance with whom you also run a business (not sure why). Not everyone you associate with are actually friends. Although some people refer to everyone they know as friends. So maybe it’s semantics

First of all I’d not mix friendship and business. Don’t do business with friends.

Second of all if you two don’t see each other and don’t regularly communicate, then it’s not really friendship. It doesn’t mean you can’t keep in touch, just don’t need to call it friendship

If she doesn’t pull her weight with these classes, then she shouldn’t have an equal pay

Just because she says she dumps all these guys, it doesn’t mean that what really happens. Some people who claim to be single by choice are single because they can’t find the right person (and yes it’s hard). If and when they meet the right person, their “single by choice” status will be gone. So take what she says with a grain of salt.

Just because she has time for full time job and dating, it doesn’t mean she has time or desire to make web pages for classes. Having said that, if she has no time for that she should not run a class and you shouldn’t do business with her

This isn’t the first time I read a post about people rekindling old childhood friendships via Facebook. As usual it turns into either unnecessary drama or isn’t sustainable. People grow up and build new lives and trying to pick up where you left off years ago rarely works. Not a high school anymore. I’d start making new friends instead.
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Kate is more than over a friend!!
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Can I ask what signs you saw that didn't sound like much of friend.
A friend is there for you. Friends often initiate contact. How often did Kate do these things?

Friends don't consistently "forget" to respond. Friends don't make you feel used. Friends carry their weight on joint projects.
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I find if people don't respond to me, it is because they don't care about me as much as I care about them. Kate's priorities seem to be her full-time job and dating (not you or the art class).
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Friends will make time for you, not push you to the bottom of the pile of their priorities.
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A friend is there for you. Friends often initiate contact. How often did Kate do these things?

Friends don't consistently "forget" to respond. Friends don't make you feel used. Friends carry their weight on joint projects.
What do you mean by how often did Kate do these things?

Well she start stop messaging me after we had that LIVE class.
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Kate is more than over a friend!!
sorry I don't understand your sentence. Could you rephrased it.
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I find if people don't respond to me, it is because they don't care about me as much as I care about them. Kate's priorities seem to be her full-time job and dating (not you or the art class).
Well yeah it seems that way.
From my observation because I provided that emotional support and now she has a therapist, she kinda gone off with contacting.
Like messages me now and then but kinda just stop pretty much.
I feel she used me as a therapist.

I don't know if she does this to other friends.
Or she is emotionally not that intelligent

I have told her I'm taking 3 weeks off from art class to do a course I'm doing.
But I will need to tell her I can't keep doing this, just looking at the art Facebook page makes my forehead feel intense. It's not fun doing all the work yourself.
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What do you mean by how often did Kate do these things?
I mean, how often has Kate been there for you? How often does she initiate contact?
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Well yeah it seems that way.
From my observation because I provided that emotional support and now she has a therapist, she kinda gone off with contacting.
Like messages me now and then but kinda just stop pretty much.
I feel she used me as a therapist.

I don't know if she does this to other friends.
Or she is emotionally not that intelligent

I have told her I'm taking 3 weeks off from art class to do a course I'm doing.
But I will need to tell her I can't keep doing this, just looking at the art Facebook page makes my forehead feel intense. It's not fun doing all the work yourself.
If you need to stop doing it because it's too much work, I totally support that.
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I mean, how often has Kate been there for you? How often does she initiate contact?
Well not that often.
I don't really tell her my problems because I'm afarid I would push her away, from my pervious experience with friends.

She was supportive when I asked can we have a chat about the live class in person the night before.
But that's about it, I have told her some of my issues and she listen and gave advice, but its not like I would call her if I had a break down or something.

Not much, it's only initate contact if it's art class. Or she would reply to my messages say 3 days later or something.
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If you need to stop doing it because it's too much work, I totally support that.
yeah? you do t think I'm being unreasonable?

I worry if I do that, then I won't hear from her.
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