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Honestly, from reading your posts, you are not at all through the grieving process. You are still pissed as heck (which is one of those grieving stages btw). Yes, you are over "him," but you are not over what this major change in your life has done to your life.

I noticed as I was reading through your last few posts that you plan to get off of the dating websites -- probably a good plan for a while, and that you are going to work on just developing friendships and doing some other outdoor activities. Also good plans.

One of the main points made over and over again in the grief community is "Do NOT go into a new relationship for quite some time" and they mean at least a year or more. Yes, we are talking about actual deaths, but it seems like that advice holds well for divorce.

Take the time to find yourself WITHOUT a man. Another man isn't going to help you figure out YOU. It will be like putting a bandaid on a gaping wound -- that wound needs more than a bandaid, and a bandaid on a bad wound will not heal the problem, could cause you to neglect the wound, may be absolutely the wrong "fix" for the wound, and will inevitably fall off. If the wound underneath isn't truly healed, you kind of have to start all over again.

Take the time to figure out YOU. I was married to my husband almost 35 years. It wasn't a perfect marriage, but it was a good one. But I went from college to marriage pretty quickly, and since his death -- coming on two years ago -- this has been a process of figuring out who I am without that constant companion. Yes, it's a very "alone" place to be, but sitting with that, sitting with myself, has been so important to healing. I'm pretty comfortable now with being independent, individual, unattached me. That doesn't mean I don't miss my husband -- that pain will always be there -- but I am content to be with ME. That has taken time and the process is ongoing -- almost two years later.

Slow down. Figure out YOU . . . independent, unattached you. Your grieving process from divorce is going to go on for awhile. That's pretty normal and completely expected.
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For the record, I am working on myself and my life. I have more to do, and I am just beginning my new life. I feel great! I am happy, and I am in fact ecstatic. I am fine without dating and am happy to not be dealing with it all. Too negative for me. At least on that one website.

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For the record, I am working on myself and my life. I have more to do, and I am just beginning my new life. I feel great! I am happy, and I am in fact ecstatic. I am fine without dating and am happy to not be dealing with it all. Too negative for me. At least on that one website.
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He told me yesterday that he signed the divorce paperwork. Then he told me I am irreplaceable and that it's very difficult living without me. Which tells me that he IS likely trying to replace me with someone and quickly. I've heard countless stories of narcs moving on really fast to another person, for more supply. So I am sure he is on dating sites or what have you. I still felt a tiny tiny twinge of like - oh, so you're looking for someone. But ultimately, it's OK. I don't actually mind that much if he's dating or seeking companionship. I know what it's about and I know it's about gaining supply. And I know he will treat the next person the same exact way. He'll be charming in the beginning and will love bomb them like crazy, then slowly over time his facade will drop and his mask will fall off. Then he will reveal his true self - once the woman has already committed to him. I know the drill.

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He told me yesterday that he signed the divorce paperwork. Then he told me I am irreplaceable and that it's very difficult living without me. Which tells me that he IS likely trying to replace me with someone and quickly. I've heard countless stories of narcs moving on really fast to another person, for more supply. So I am sure he is on dating sites or what have you. I still felt a tiny tiny twinge of like - oh, so you're looking for someone. But ultimately, it's OK. I don't actually mind that much if he's dating or seeking companionship. I know what it's about and I know it's about gaining supply. And I know he will treat the next person the same exact way. He'll be charming in the beginning and will love bomb them like crazy, then slowly over time his facade will drop and his mask will fall off. Then he will reveal his true self - once the woman has already committed to him. I know the drill.
Yes, all the experts say to not date for a year, especially recovering from a narcissistic abuse relationship. They say to become indifferent to them. Your thinking about what he is doing now is the opposite of indifferent.

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Yes, all the experts say to not date for a year, especially recovering from a narcissistic abuse relationship. They say to become indifferent to them. Your thinking about what he is doing now is the opposite of indifferent.
Him saying things to me make me think of these things. I’m not thinking about it otherwise.

I do feel much more indifferent to him. He doesn’t cross my mind very much at all through most days.

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If he can say something to you and it ruins your day or causes your emotions to change for any noticeable amount of time, he is in control of something. Indifference is no emotion. If he speaks to you and it causes anger, that's not indifference. If he finds another woman and it causes jealous feelings, that's not indifference. If his actions (not responding to a text) causes frustration, that's not indifference.

I've learned that healing is about the damage caused. Indifference is about the scars that are left behind, accepting them and knowing you can't change how the scars came to be you can only change how the scars affect you. And not letting them affect you allows you to be indifferent.

I hope that you focus on your relationship with yourself. From an outside perspective, saying your choice to relax vs drinking on NYE was lame and kicking yourself for being taken in by promises are forms of self criticism and self punishment. You don't deserve to be criticized and punished.
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I am not a robot or a machine with no feelings and no emotions. I don't understand how it cannot effect me in any way when he's being manipulative, passive aggressive or is gaslighting me. Of course I'm going to get angry and react inside. I am an emotional, feeling type of person. Indifference in that way seems impossible & unrealistic - at least for me. I don't think it has anything to do with my healing. It's that he triggers me, and I need to steer clear of communications with him. I am better off when we're not communicating.

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If he can say something to you and it ruins your day or causes your emotions to change for any noticeable amount of time, he is in control of something. Indifference is no emotion. If he speaks to you and it causes anger, that's not indifference. If he finds another woman and it causes jealous feelings, that's not indifference. If his actions (not responding to a text) causes frustration, that's not indifference. It’s normal to feel some things.

I've learned that healing is about the damage caused. Indifference is about the scars that are left behind, accepting them and knowing you can't change how the scars came to be you can only change how the scars affect you. And not letting them affect you allows you to be indifferent.

I hope that you focus on your relationship with yourself. From an outside perspective, saying your choice to relax vs drinking on NYE was lame and kicking yourself for being taken in by promises are forms of self criticism and self punishment. You don't deserve to be criticized and punished.
Good post. I’d say though that full indifference might not be attainable. I usually get along with my ex husband just fine, but there were few times over the years when he pissed me off. We divorced many years ago and obviously have no interest in each other, yet I can’t say that we can’t possibly affect each other on some occasion in some ways by things we say or do. I think it depends.

Choosing to relax on holidays is a good choice imho. Not lame. In my books drinking is more lame but I know it’s not a popular opinion. I agree that self criticism isn’t needed. Self acceptance is a healthier choice. Not easy though
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I am not a robot or a machine with no feelings and no emotions. I don't understand how it cannot effect me in any way when he's being manipulative, passive aggressive or is gaslighting me. Of course I'm going to get angry and react inside. I am an emotional, feeling type of person. Indifference in that way seems impossible & unrealistic - at least for me. I don't think it has anything to do with my healing. It's that he triggers me, and I need to steer clear of communications with him. I am better off when we're not communicating.
It’s normal to feel certain way when people say things that aren’t pleasant
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Even Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper bragged about a no-booze NYE.
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I agree that full indifference is not attainable. And thank you for the validation, divine.

I also know I can be very hard on myself. I’m vowing to be easy on myself and more accepting and forgiving.

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He told me yesterday that he signed the divorce paperwork. Then he told me I am irreplaceable and that it's very difficult living without me. Which tells me that he IS likely trying to replace me with someone and quickly. I've heard countless stories of narcs moving on really fast to another person, for more supply. So I am sure he is on dating sites or what have you. I still felt a tiny tiny twinge of like - oh, so you're looking for someone. But ultimately, it's OK. I don't actually mind that much if he's dating or seeking companionship. I know what it's about and I know it's about gaining supply. And I know he will treat the next person the same exact way. He'll be charming in the beginning and will love bomb them like crazy, then slowly over time his facade will drop and his mask will fall off. Then he will reveal his true self - once the woman has already committed to him. I know the drill.
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I am SO lucky and I feel SO blessed.

I left him before he could destroy me and before he could discard me for another woman. I read countless stories of this exact scenario on my Facebook abuse groups.. of the infamous "discard" that occurs with narcs, even after telling you that they love you and can't live without you, and just a mere week later, they leave you for another woman. I am so lucky that this did not happen to me. I am SO lucky that I had the fortitude to call it quits before he could seriously hurt me again. Because a discard of that nature would have ruined me, and I know this. He almost did it once before with his female co-worker, whom he was grooming as new supply.

I feel awful for these women who have been discarded. I really don't think I could have survived that. When my ex fiance told me that he loved his other fiance more than me, it took me two full years to get over it and past it. TWO years, and we were only together for ONE year. I was devastated and full of rage towards him over that alone. I had helped him in so many different ways, and for him to say that to me, was just he cruelest thing he could have ever done. I was used and abused then discarded. And he was a narc too, I do believe.

If I had been discarded again by my husband, my mental health would have downward spiraled.

So, I keep thinking how lucky and truly blessed I am to have left him first. He told me I ghosted him. Well, I pretty much did. I abandoned him in a time of need. But I do not regret it, because I was saving myself, and that was more important to me than holding his hand through the loss of his mother. I finally showed myself self care and self love by doing so.

I am proud of myself for this.

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It was a smart move.

Ghosting? Ghosting would be if you provided silent treatment, left without warning and didnt answer his phone phone calls. You told him you didnt want to be married, explained why and you continued communicating (even though you weren’t required). That’s not ghosting
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It was a smart move.

Ghosting? Ghosting would be if you provided silent treatment, left without warning and didnt answer his phone phone calls. You told him you didnt want to be married, explained why and you continued communicating (even though you weren’t required). That’s not ghosting
Ghosting is what HE told me I did. But I mainly agree with you.

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Ghosting is what HE told me I did. But I mainly agree with you.
I know! That’s why I am saying how is it ghosting? It’s not.
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I know! That’s why I am saying how is it ghosting? It’s not.
Lol - I hear you! He’s full of exaggerations and lies.

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