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Default Jul 06, 2023 at 04:24 AM
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I never believed everyone was great, and I don't believe now that everyone sucks.

Previously, in my music circle I thought it was very different than how it actually is. There are many people in this scene who pretend to be peace loving hippies, when in fact, they are not that at all. So many people adopt a facade of goodness. And this is true in life in general.

What I am now saying is that most people suck. What I previously believed was that most people are good.

I am not black and white, all or nothing. I think there's about 1-3% of the entire population that has strong morals, strong ethics, who are honorable, caring, loving, and decent human beings, who are also honest and faithful. This type of person is pretty rare and very hard to find. The other 97-99% of the population is lacking or weak in these areas. This is how I see the world now.
Ok. Well maybe you don’t think it’s all 100% bad but rather 97-99% such and 1-3% is good. It’s very close to all bad, statistically speaking. Like out of 100 people you know only 1-3 are decent people, it’s pretty low number of good people. I wonder if it’s your current situation that contributes to seeing things in such dark light. I hope it improves as things get better

I think that social circle was never really loving hippies and I don’t think they even pretended that much. You’ve been sharing about people from that circle over the years and drama and turmoil surrounding these people never strike me as all that loving. I think you just saw them this way with rose colored glasses. And you can’t really know them well as they are intoxicated at these events. They might be good people but who really knows since they are buzzed/drunk or high all the time, which I am sure they are. But this is just this group. They don’t represent the entire humanity

Taking rose colored glasses off is a good thing. I don’t want you to go to the other side of it. It’s just rough times now and it shall pass too.
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Ok. Well maybe you don’t think it’s all 100% bad but rather 97-99% bad and 1-3% is good. It’s very close to all bad, statistically speaking. Like out of 100 people you know only 1-3 are good people, it’s pretty low number of good people. I wonder if it’s your current situation that contributes to seeing things in such dark light. I hope it improves as things get better

I think that social circle was never really loving hippies and I don’t think they even pretended that much. You’ve been sharing about people from that circle over the years and drama and turmoil surrounding these people never strike me as all that loving. I think you just saw them this way with rose colored glasses. And you can’t really know them well as they are intoxicated at these events. They might be good people but who really knows since they are buzzed/drunk or high all the time, which I am sure they are. But this is just this group. They don’t represent the entire humanity

Taking rose colored glasses off is a good thing. I don’t want you to go to the other side of it. It’s just rough times now and it shall pass too
Perhaps so.. it could be all the negative experiences I've had lately within this particular music and social scene.

I did not go to my usual Wed night show, and I am glad. I am protecting myself from further harm.

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On that note, the bartender who was banned from my music venue recently because her abusive ex boyfriend asked management to fire and ban her? Well, her mother, who also goes to this music venue, reached out to me on Facebook messenger to share details about the abuse and what had happened at the venue with this ex boyfriend. I believe her mother wanted people to boycott the venue as a result of management firing and banning her daughter, the bartender.

I wrote a very heartfelt and lengthy reply to her mom, explaining how I may still want to go to the venue to support the bands, but that doesn't mean I don't support she and her daughter. Well, the mom never replied to my response, although she did read it. I then reached out to. her daughter on Facebook messenger, offering my heartfelt support. She, too, did not reply to me.

Now, as a result of their rudeness, I feel slighted. And to me, this is rude not to reply. It does not show common courtesy. And this is an issue I have within larger humanity. Many people lack proper manners, common courtesy and social graces. If they were both angry that I am not boycotting the venue, they could have at least sent a message in return saying thank you for your message. But I got crickets. And this, in part, is what I am talking about. That's rude, in my opinion, and it leaves me wondering what the heck I said that was so wrong.

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What the bartender and her mother are doing is wrong. It’s a narcissistic smear campaign. Yes, it was rude of them to not respond to you. This shows they aren’t really your friend, but are just using you to help them harm the venue.

The hippie pot culture’s motto is “peace and love”. I have found these people are just as likely to be every bit as contrary to that idea as anybody. It is true that nightclub venues where people are drinking and drugging are more dysfunctional than places without substance users.

It’s good that you are focusing on activities that bring out your best. There you will find others that are focused on the same.

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Default Jul 06, 2023 at 07:30 AM
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The way bartender and her mother go about it tells me that perhaps there’s more to the story. What really happened with that boyfriend and why she was really fired is not 100% set in stone. Who abused who remains to be seen plus what other things went down. Firing just because boyfriend told bartender to fire her is uncommon.

Plus even the most involved parent won’t messaging everyone about her daughters business. And i am not sure if you know these people personally, see them and talk to them outside the venue and if you know them well. Probably not that well. Perhaps I’d not think of them necessarily as friends.

Bartender rudely not replying to you just shows that maybe she wasn’t fired because of her boyfriend.
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Thanks, I don't know the bartender or her daughter very well... not at all. I used to hug the mom all the time whenever we were at the venue and we have talked a little bit previously. The bartender, her daughter, was always incredibly sweet and endearing. The whole thing is a bit of a mystery! But yeah it's weird and rude that neither replied to my nice messages.

However, right now I am fuming over another issue at play.

My Facebook advertising account has been hacked by 3 hackers who are using my billing information to charge their advertising!

They created 3 fraudulent business pages and I have been charged $51.72 so far which I have reported as being fraud, along with the 3 hackers who are now Admins on my account!

I scoured the entire Facebook platform to find a live chat or live person to speak to, and could not find it! So, I had to submit several reports, reporting on the fraud users of my account and on the fraudulent charges, demanding a refund.

This only just solidifies my current perspective that this world SUCKS and its people truly SUCK. I hate people and I hate this awful world we live in.

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And my mother told me to “shut up” this morning when talking to her about the hack. She said to call Apple, and I protested saying it has NOTHING to do with Apple and only Facebook. That’s when she told me to shut up. The ultimate disrespect.

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I am still upset over my own mother telling me to "shut up". She has never said anything like this before. Sure, she's been frustrated, but to be SO rude? I am really taken aback by her comment.

And my Facebook hack continues to be an issue, although I was refunded the $51 charge at least. But still, the whole thing is a massive headache.

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What we're all talking about here is the human race. People are made to try and survive in a hostile environment," the world ".
There are a zillion factors involved in a decision or action that is made. We don't have the mental capacity or time to try and figure out " where somebody is coming from ". Seems like you just have to roll with it or change your environment. And always remember that you probably treated someone else badly at some point in your life.

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I don’t care that people are simply trying to survive in a hostile world - I am too! It’s no excuse for treating people disrespectfully. Perhaps I did someone wrong when I was young, immature and stupid and that was in my twenties. I’m 52 now and never treat anyone poorly. The only times I have is in the face of disrespect, and then I stand up for myself and fight back. That’s it. But like I said, there’s no excuse for shi**tty human behavior or poor treatment of others.

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Is your mom generally on a rude side of things and if not is there any way that it’s age related? Some folks as they age start talking like they have no self control. Not talking about dementia here, but they just decide that they can say whatever because they are of certain age

What did you respond when she said that?
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I will add that one of the very first signs of my mother’s Alzheimer’s was her starting to call me an idiot. Not like her, she got progressively more careless with how she talked and in hindsight it was a total personality change. Very me-centered and didn’t really have a filter
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Is your mom generally on a rude side of things and if not is there any way that it’s age related? Some folks as they age start talking like they have no self control. Not talking about dementia here, but they just decide that they can say whatever because they are of certain age

What did you respond when she said that?
I told her it was rude. She later apologized. She can certainly be insensitive and blunt and has made off color remarks, but she’s never been this blatantly rude. It could be her age and also that she simply got frustrated and had a low fuse in the moment.

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I will add that one of the very first signs of my mother’s Alzheimer’s was her starting to call me an idiot. Not like her, she got progressively more careless with how she talked and in hindsight it was a total personality change. Very me-centered and didn’t really have a filter
Hmm… my mother has started to show memory problems. Maybe there’s something else to this that I’m unaware of. That’s sad about your mom.

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I told her it was rude. She later apologized. She can certainly be insensitive and blunt and has made off color remarks, but she’s never been this blatantly rude. It could be her age and also that she simply got frustrated and had a low fuse in the moment.
I’ll keep an eye on it. It could be the sign of something. Hopefully it was just one lapse in judgement.
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Did she have long-time friends that no longer come around or contact her? Find some pictures of her (preferably in a group) from present to about 10 years back - does she look lively, life in her eyes? Or is she looking blankly in the direction of the camera and maybe not smiling?

When I went back looking at pictures I was surprised that I never noticed that on pictures when we would go on vacation with other people she was always kind of disconnected. Well after the "idiot" stuff started she would leave to go to the store and be gone way longer than one should be. I realized later that she was actually getting lost.

Just observe the behavior - also if there is Alzheimer's in the family be even more observant.
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I really don't think my mother is having any issues other than perhaps a little bit of memory problems.

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I am having the MOST FRUSTRATING experience trying to resolve the fraudulent activity that is occurring on my facebook ads account.

I cannot get through to a live person on the phone or by chat, which is forcing me to use email.... that is beyond maddening, because if I could just get a live person on the phone, ALL could be resolved much more quickly.

In the meantime, fraudulent ads are still being run on my account and I am being charged for them!

I have been trying to resolve this through email support for THREE DAYS.

I hate Facebook at this point!!!!

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So,, here's the next sucky people issue! It's "as the world turns"!

The bartender eventually replied to me and told me her side of the story. I believe her, as an abuse survivor myself. I tend to believe stories of abuse when they come out.

Yesterday, I ran into two women that I am acquaintances with. We started talking about what happened with the bartender at the music venue and her ex boyfriend, the lighting guy. Apparently, he is accusing his ex girlfriend, the bartender, of being crazy and having Borderline Personality Disorder. One of the women that I was talking with was vehemently expressing her disdain for the bartender, whom I had just defended to the other woman she was with. I had told the other woman that I support the bartender and her story. But this woman, Leslie, wouldn't stop talking about how crazy the bartender is, all the crazy things she has done, and how she is truly messed up, with a personality disorder.

Stupidly, I told the bartender what this woman was saying about her... ie, that she has a personality disorder. What does the bartender do? She turns right around and confronts this woman over facebook messenger about what she said! She didn't tell her that I told her this, I don't believe, but now because I stuck my nose in, I'm in the middle of this whole mess now! ARGH!

I never should have said anything! Little did I know that she would confront the woman.

But nonetheless, I am angry and bitter on the bartender's behalf!!!! This is exactly what abusers do!!!!! The smear campaign to ruin their victim's life and reputation!!!!! He's spreading rumors and people are believing his lies!!!!

I am truly sickened by all of this. It's not fair, it's not just ,and it's not OK... and this is what happens with abuse, nearly every time. The victim gets blamed, and is labeled as "crazy" with mental health problems! When in fact, the abuser likely created more mental health problems for the victim because of their crazy making behaviors and abuse! And yes, the victim can go a bit nuts in trying to deal with the abuse!!!!

I am outraged.... and this woman I ran into? Who believes the bartender has a personality disorder? I want nothing to do with her now. And now I see just how divided our music community is over this issue. Some support the bartender, and others support her abusive ex boyfriend, the lighting guy. The bartender says he even physically abused her. And I believe her.

What does this bring to me to thinking and feeling right now???? PEOPLE TRULY SUCK.

I am outraged.

AND, the woman, Leslie, who believes the lighting guy's version of what is true? She used to hit on my husband right in front of me. OR, rather, she made it SO obvious that she had an interest in him, and zero interest in speaking with me! ONLY after we separated did she begin to acknowledge my presence even and begin to talk to me. But whenever she ran into us together, it was like I didn't even exist! She would only direct her conversation, attention, and eyes on my husband!

I've determined that Leslie is yet another a-hole. She hit on my husband and was rude to me in the past, she support's the abuser's story and is spreading negative rumors about the poor bartender. I want NO PART of this anymore.

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WOW. This is what Leslie just wrote to me on Facebook:

"I have no idea why you ran back to Kylie and told her what I said. I was trying to look out for you so you understood there were two sides to that story. Really disappointed after laurel and I welcomed you to our spot. You can stay right away from me."

So I wrote:

"WOW. And you believe a BS story of a personality disorder, when physical and emotional abuse was involved? She was never diagnosed with a personality disorder. Get your facts straight. Leave me alone."

Then I blocked her.

Unbelievable.. she was spreading negative rumors and gossip about poor Kylie, the abused bartender, then gets nasty with me when Kylie confronts her with her untruths.

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