Why does my husband constantly threaten to leave me & take my name off the account?

divine1966 · Aug 18, 2023 at 05:08 PM

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Note that community property in California goes the other way, too: community debts are community debts. Even though you had no involvement in various debts your husband got into, such as the debts to the IRS, in divorce you will still be responsible for 1/2 of those debts.

You are right, especially if they filed taxes jointly.
This really should be a cautionary tale of danger letting other person run your life and being so fully dependent on someone, especially someone shady and secretive.

Tart Cherry Jam · Aug 18, 2023 at 07:37 PM

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You are right, especially if they filed taxes jointly.
This really should be a cautionary tale of danger letting other person run your life and being so fully dependent on someone, especially someone shady and secretive.

So true. And it is likely that given their relative circumstances, he filed taxes jointly without letting Jesyka know about it.

This is what H&R Block, which is a fairly authoritative source, says about it:

Married Filing Separately might benefit you if you have to use the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) on a joint return (Only true if only one spouse is liable on a separate return) because the spouse with the lower income can qualify for tax deductions only by filing a separate return.

None of these circumstances applied to Jesyka and her husband.

divine1966 · Aug 18, 2023 at 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tart Cherry Jam

So true. And it is likely that given their relative circumstances, he filed taxes jointly without letting Jesyka know about it.

This is what H&R Block, which is a fairly authoritative source, says about it:

Married Filing Separately might benefit you if you have to use the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) on a joint return (Only true if only one spouse is liable on a separate return) because the spouse with the lower income can qualify for tax deductions only by filing a separate return.

None of these circumstances applied to Jesyka and her husband.

If they file jointly, she must put her signature down. You can’t file jointly without both spouses signing. But I think he’s so shady that who knows if he fakes and forges things

Tart Cherry Jam · Aug 18, 2023 at 07:51 PM

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If they file jointly, she must put her signature down. You can’t file jointly without both spouses signing. But I think he’s so shady that who knows if he fakes and forges things

We discussed this some time ago on this or an adjacent thread and somebody suggested that Jesyka's husband filed electronically. It has been so long since I filed taxes electronically while being married that I do not remember how the signature part works on such returns.

On paper returns (those I still remember), yes, both spouses must sign.

divine1966 · Aug 18, 2023 at 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tart Cherry Jam

We discussed this some time ago on this or an adjacent thread and somebody suggested that Jesyka's husband filed electronically. It has been so long since I filed taxes electronically while being married that I do not remember how the signature part works on such returns.

On paper returns (those I still remember), yes, both spouses must sign.

Both spouses must sign electronically. E- sign. Invalid without it. We file electronically. Must both sign electronically. Unless one spouse has power of attorney.

Tart Cherry Jam · Aug 18, 2023 at 08:07 PM

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Both spouses must sign electronically. E- sign. Invalid without it. We file electronically. Must both sign electronically. Unless one spouse has power of attorney

Since that is how it is done, I assume that Jesyka's husband habitually forges her signature. And then this might be true outside of tax returns, too. On other important documents.

Now is really the time to find out what has been going on. Jesyka does not need the husband's signature to find out. This is what the IRS website says:

Copies of jointly filed tax returns may be furnished to either spouse. Only one signature is required. Sign Form 4506 exactly as your name appeared on the original return.

And this is the form: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506.pdf

@jesyka
do you know your husband's social security number?

On line 5 of the form, I suggest you put someone else's address so that your husband would not interfere with your mail. Do you have someone who can receive the mail from the IRS for you, give you the mailings, and not tell your husband?

divine1966 · Aug 18, 2023 at 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tart Cherry Jam

Since that is how it is done, I assume that Jesyka's husband habitually forges her signature. And then this might be true outside of tax returns, too. On other important documents.

Now is really the time to find out what has been going on. Jesyka does not need the husband's signature to find out. This is what the IRS website says:

Copies of jointly filed tax returns may be furnished to either spouse. Only one signature is required. Sign Form 4506 exactly as your name appeared on the original return.

And this is the form: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506.pdf

@jesyka
do you know your husband's social security number?

On line 5 of the form, I suggest you put someone else's address so that your husband would not interfere with your mail. Do you have someone who can receive the mail from the IRS for you, give you the mailings, and not tell your husband?

Might not be forging. Might just say “sign here”.

Tart Cherry Jam · Aug 18, 2023 at 11:25 PM

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Might not be forging. Might just say “sign here”.

I thought somewhere, on one of these threads, I saw Jesyka say that she had nothing to do at all with the IRS submissions. But I won't be able to find it. I might have been mistaken.

jesyka · Aug 19, 2023 at 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tart Cherry Jam

Note that community property in California goes the other way, too: community debts are community debts. Even though you had no involvement in various debts your husband got into, such as the debts to the IRS, in divorce you will still be responsible for 1/2 of those debts.

Ugh, you’re probably right about that.

jesyka · Aug 19, 2023 at 11:33 AM

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I never said it’s useless. I am just saying it’s not as simple and you need to talk to your doctor about it as they’d know if you are unable to work

Can you prove that you are unable to work? Not that you don’t like those jobs or don’t get along with bosses but literally unable to work? I don’t know

If you haven’t worked 10 years in your life, SSDI it out of the question buy SSI pays very little and you need to be very low to no income. From what you describe on here you aren’t low income at all because your husband provides for you.

Now if you divorce your husband and have no income then you might qualify for SSI. But you need to talk to your doctor if they think you have a chance. They know you better

Thanks for letting me know all of that. I can work if I absolutely have NO choice to. But the typicsl back breaking & soul sucking retail work would cause my existing condition ls with pain to become much worse than it is now.

jesyka · Aug 19, 2023 at 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tart Cherry Jam

So true. And it is likely that given their relative circumstances, he filed taxes jointly without letting Jesyka know about it.

This is what H&R Block, which is a fairly authoritative source, says about it:

Married Filing Separately might benefit you if you have to use the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) on a joint return (Only true if only one spouse is liable on a separate return) because the spouse with the lower income can qualify for tax deductions only by filing a separate return.

None of these circumstances applied to Jesyka and her husband.

I have nothing to do with the filing st sll. He has an accountant but I can’t talk to him.

jesyka · Aug 19, 2023 at 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by divine1966

If they file jointly, she must put her signature down. You can’t file jointly without both spouses signing. But I think he’s so shady that who knows if he fakes and forges things

He is shady. I have never signed a single thing ever. Weird!

jesyka · Aug 19, 2023 at 11:36 AM

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Might not be forging. Might just say “sign here”.

Nope, I don’t recall signing anything ever. Maybe I might have a long time ago? Idk.

jesyka · Aug 19, 2023 at 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tart Cherry Jam

Since that is how it is done, I assume that Jesyka's husband habitually forges her signature. And then this might be true outside of tax returns, too. On other important documents.

Now is really the time to find out what has been going on. Jesyka does not need the husband's signature to find out. This is what the IRS website says:

Copies of jointly filed tax returns may be furnished to either spouse. Only one signature is required. Sign Form 4506 exactly as your name appeared on the original return.

And this is the form: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506.pdf

@jesyka
do you know your husband's social security number?

On line 5 of the form, I suggest you put someone else's address so that your husband would not interfere with your mail. Do you have someone who can receive the mail from the IRS for you, give you the mailings, and not tell your husband?

Yes, my good friend would help me if I asked her to.

Tart Cherry Jam · Aug 19, 2023 at 11:42 AM

Please do. Request copies of tax returns as far back as possible. You need to start learning what has been going on. I hope you know your husband's social.

jesyka · Aug 19, 2023 at 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tart Cherry Jam

Please do. Request copies of tax returns as far back as possible. You need to start learning what has been going on. I hope you know your husband's social.

OK. The IRS will send me copies even if I don’t know his s.s #?

Tart Cherry Jam · Aug 19, 2023 at 11:29 PM

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OK. The IRS will send me copies even if I don’t know his s.s #?

Unfortunately, no, not without his social security number. You need that. It is required on the form (I posted the link to the form earlier in this thread). Usually, spouses know each other's SSN. He clearly knows yours and uses it on the returns he files with the IRS. It is a problem if you do not know his number.

Maybe other posters have ideas how you can learn his SSN. There was a law passed some years ago which requires truncation of SSNs on forms that get mailed. So even if you look around in his mail, say from the social security administration, you won't see the entire 9 digit number. I am out of ideas.

divine1966 · Aug 20, 2023 at 04:09 AM

Where are your SS cards? Go look for the actual card? In document files or where do you keep documents? Honestly I don’t remember my husband’s SS number. Every time we needed each other SS for something we just ask each other or if the person isn’t available go look in a document files.

divine1966 · Aug 20, 2023 at 04:21 AM

Jesyka, I wonder if he’s filing as “married filing separately” and since you don’t work you just never file? Do you have any proof that he files “jointly”?

jesyka · Aug 20, 2023 at 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tart Cherry Jam

Unfortunately, no, not without his social security number. You need that. It is required on the form (I posted the link to the form earlier in this thread). Usually, spouses know each other's SSN. He clearly knows yours and uses it on the returns he files with the IRS. It is a problem if you do not know his number.

Maybe other posters have ideas how you can learn his SSN. There was a law passed some years ago which requires truncation of SSNs on forms that get mailed. So even if you look around in his mail, say from the social security administration, you won't see the entire 9 digit number. I am out of ideas.

Thanks for the info. I can get it onve the IRS sends us another letter. I’ll look things up then.

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Tart Cherry Jam Magnate Member Since Mar 2021 Location: California Posts: 2,589 (SuperPoster!) 3 1,171 hugs given	Aug 19, 2023 at 11:42 AM #55 Please do. Request copies of tax returns as far back as possible. You need to start learning what has been going on. I hope you know your husband's social.
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divine1966 Legendary Wise Elder Member Since Dec 2014 Location: US Posts: 22,380 (SuperPoster!) 9 1,277 hugs given	Aug 20, 2023 at 04:09 AM #58 Where are your SS cards? Go look for the actual card? In document files or where do you keep documents? Honestly I don’t remember my husband’s SS number. Every time we needed each other SS for something we just ask each other or if the person isn’t available go look in a document files.
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divine1966 Legendary Wise Elder Member Since Dec 2014 Location: US Posts: 22,380 (SuperPoster!) 9 1,277 hugs given	Aug 20, 2023 at 04:21 AM #59 Jesyka, I wonder if he’s filing as “married filing separately” and since you don’t work you just never file? Do you have any proof that he files “jointly”?
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