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Erm, did you actually read what I said?! Nowhere in my post did I suggest staying at somebody else's place indefinitely.

This is what I said:

The whole premise of my reply was for Rose, who wanted to spend more time away, to make alternative arrangements (of course, if at all possible) in finding her own accommodation and doing as she wants.
I understand. Perhaps I misread original post that never stated alternative accommodations/hotels etc
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It has always been my practice to give exact dates of arrival and departure. I've always discussed with family before buying tickets, so that we coordinate, and to make sure I'm not intruding on any plans of theirs. That's simple courtesy in my book. I totally agree with divine that it's rude to arrive at someone's home and not be able to answer the question, "When ya leavin?"

Social norms become norms for very good reasons. Divine lists a few, which all make sense. However, my trips to visit family have repeatedly put me in the midst of abnormal behavior. I've come to the conclusion that I gain nothing by making myself totally predictable. To get a good price on a return ticket, it's best to be able to take off on short notice. Each of my sisters lives about 30 minutes from an airport. I can leave from either one. I'm not sure whose home I'm going to be at when.

One of my sisters is a free spirit who dislikes committing to "plans." She likes to just wake up everyday and spontaneously see what she feels like doing. Her home is tends to be a venue for drama. I could arrive there, saying, "I'm here for a week." Two days later, I might want to get the heck out of there. Or we might be having a grand time. I've had it go both ways. This sister is a widow and has strongly encouraged me to come live with her. My other sister is a planner. The two of them are not real likely to do a lot of "joint planning." One likes to always keep her options open. So I'm keeping my options flexible.

If worse comes to worse, I'll just announce that I want to do some sight-seeing. Then I'll rent a car and take off on my own to wherever. My sisters discourage me from renting a car because I used to not be a good driver. They say I won't be able to cope with the heavy traffic there. Well, I've not had an accident in over 22 years. I've driven all over their part of the country in the past. I shouldn't need a car. But, if push comes to shove, I'm not one to let myself be trapped anywhere. They know that about me.

I didn't plan for my brother to die. I've worked hard making all arrangements and coordinating with both of them. I've already spent a lot of money, and I'm not well off. My brother left nothing behind. One of my sisters will probably offer to chip in on what I've spent on the mortuary services. The other one probably won't. I won't fret over that. At least she can pick me up at the airport and be hospitable, which I believe she wants to be.

I'm not one to spend two seconds longer hanging around anyone who seems like they're not overjoyed to have me there. If push comes to shove, I can get a car and I can get a hotel room. Plus I have a cousin in that area who has been strongly urging me to come stay with her anytime. She happens to live next to one of the airports. She doesn't know I'm coming out because my sisters don't really want to include extended family in what were doing for my brother. His demise was a very sad story (due to a drug overdose) and all the relatives who would care about him are dead themselves. But I've gotten pretty close with this cousin. If I contacted her out of the blue, I believe she'ld like us to get together.

Even if I was to buy a return ticket tomorrow - which I might well do - I don't think I'ld tell anyone. Not until I see how things are when I get there.

I used to believe in being totally transparent with family about any plans I was making . . . and give loads of advance notice . . . and see what their preferences would be. And I've done all that this time, except for booking that return ticket. Experience with family has made me wary. I've gotten sucker punched a few times. Someone may make a passive-aggressive move to throw a little monkey wrench into what seemed like a good plan. It's happened before. So I figure I'll keep my options open and see how things go. These people, themselves, don't always know from one day to the next what the heck they want to do. In the past, plans were made with me and, then, unceremoniously changed or canceled for no good reason.

Is this how a normal family does things? Probably not. We're not "The Waltons." I used to fantasize about being in a family like that. We don't get to select our relatives. A friend of my brother's told me that my brother-in-law practically hung up on the cop who called to report my brother's death. I don't think he wanted my sister to even know about it. My sister's family decided long ago that she should have nothing to do with my brother. (And not spend any money on his behalf.) So already I sense an undercurrent of some sour feelings. It sounds like my brother-in-law is not going to the cemetery. (I don't care what he does. This is an occasion where people should want to be gracious, but I wouldn't count on it.)

I'll be glad when this is over, and I get back home.
Being able to leave if things go sour is a totally valid point. I once visited distant relative in a different country upon his insistence. He was so nasty to me that I wanted to leave but I couldn’t as my ticket was non refundable. It was 30 years ago but I still remember the awful trip.

I understand your choice of keeping options open much better now. It makes sense. Maybe a flexible ticket or going on your own exploration is a good idea too. It sounds like you are mentally prepared with alternative options of escape. Plus if they live somewhat chaotic lives, maybe planning isn’t needed.

Trust me I know about not choosing relatives. Not Waltons here either. We are a dysfunctional combination of rather distant connections with some relatives with whom we should be close. And unnecessary drama with others. It’s all mostly civil on surface. Not so much underneath. So I get it.

PS your brother in law is a piece of work. Both my sisters in law are rather strange, to say the least. So I hear you Rose
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I really don't have a lot of money to throw around. If I do find myself getting a hotel room and a car out there, it will be a sad commentary on my family. I shouldn't have to. I will try my darnedest to accommodate what anyone suggests and be as little bother to anyone as possible. My sisters and I are all mature, retired women. Their kids are grown up adults. This should work out smoothly, if we all try to be reasonable. I'm making a trip to see my brother's remains laid to rest with some dignity and some respect for his humanity, despite how troubled he was in life. I'm doing the very best I know how. Each day, I cry thinking about him and what addiction and mental illness did to him. I may be the only one shedding tears over him. That's okay. They can at least be nice to me, when I get there. I kind of think they will be. If not, I'll vanish so fast from their midst, there won't be time for any arguing.
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My sister (the one who plans) texted me with photos of my brother in his younger days. We're deciding on a picture to put by the urn during the committal ceremony. In some of the pictures, he looks strong and happy, holding his beloved dog and smiling. He looks handsome.

At first, I felt glad to see him looking healthy and happy . . . glad to be reminded that his life was not always alcohol, drugs, disease and misery. Now I can't stop sobbing. I want my brother back how he used to be . . . before some demon invaded him. I grieve alone. No phone calls from sisters. Texts. Just texts . . . from one sister. From the other - nothing. She texted back many days ago, "Let me know if I can help." Well, she'll get her chance.

My sisters don't like displays of raw emotion, so I won't bother them. I want to call my cousin because she's emotional like me and would understand the pain I'm in. But, then, she would want to be included in the final arrangements and want to come to the cemetery. That would upset the applecart for what my sister has planned that is just for immediate family. There's no one else I can call. So I'm just alone with memory and grief. I loved him very much. My brother died believing no one loved him. I went to the hospital. He wouldn't let me help him.

A close cousin of mine died before Christmas. We were very close, growing up near each other. He cared about my brother. He too had a drug addicted brother who died tragically. This was a cousin I could go to. His wife gave me a key to their house. She was like a sister to me. If they were still alive, I would be on the phone with them now. I've had a lot of loss in recent years.

I was doing pretty good. But not today. I'm a wreck now. I've thought of going to an Al-Anon meeting tonight, thinking they would understand. It's at an AA club that my brother may even have attended. He used to go to AA a lot, even when he couldn't stay sober. I might find someone who knew him. I wish I had somewhere to go.
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My sister (the one who plans) texted me with photos of my brother in his younger days. We're deciding on a picture to put by the urn during the committal ceremony. In some of the pictures, he looks strong and happy, holding his beloved dog and smiling. He looks handsome.

At first, I felt glad to see him looking healthy and happy . . . glad to be reminded that his life was not always alcohol, drugs, disease and misery. Now I can't stop sobbing. I want my brother back how he used to be . . . before some demon invaded him. I grieve alone. No phone calls from sisters. Texts. Just texts . . . from one sister. From the other - nothing. She texted back many days ago, "Let me know if I can help." Well, she'll get her chance.

My sisters don't like displays of raw emotion, so I won't bother them. I want to call my cousin because she's emotional like me and would understand the pain I'm in. But, then, she would want to be included in the final arrangements and want to come to the cemetery. That would upset the applecart for what my sister has planned that is just for immediate family. There's no one else I can call. So I'm just alone with memory and grief. I loved him very much. My brother died believing no one loved him. I went to the hospital. He wouldn't let me help him.

A close cousin of mine died before Christmas. We were very close, growing up near each other. He cared about my brother. He too had a drug addicted brother who died tragically. This was a cousin I could go to. His wife gave me a key to their house. She was like a sister to me. If they were still alive, I would be on the phone with them now. I've had a lot of loss in recent years.

I was doing pretty good. But not today. I'm a wreck now. I've thought of going to an Al-Anon meeting tonight, thinking they would understand. It's at an AA club that my brother may even have attended. He used to go to AA a lot, even when he couldn't stay sober. I wish I had somewhere to go.
Going to a meeting or finding one online might be the best solution right now.

I think your brother knew that he was loved. Unfortunately addiction took over his life and he just couldn’t show it or didn’t want people to bother just because he was not well. He knew he was unwell.

I think it might help you if you do something symbolic: like plant a bush in his memory, donate to drug prevention cause (even if just $5), plant a tree (there is the service that does it for you), you might feel more closure. Would that help?
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Thank you. I just realized I haven't eaten all day. Some food would be a good idea.
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Thank you. I just realized I haven't eaten all day. Some food would be a good idea.
Some meal and a cup of tea should help

This is a tree service, you can choose national Forest. I do for all relatives. I just did for my dear aunt who passed this year.

Plant a Tree Gift - Memorial Trees - Plant a Tree in a National Forest
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Thank you, divine. It's a nice idea.
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Our family tradition is to not show emotion and not be too nice to anyone who does. It only encourages more emotion. That doesn't reflect my own values. I am very emotional. But I've learned to mostly keep it to myself.

I desperately wanted to call someone a few hours ago. I decided that getting rebuffed would just make me feel a lot worse, so not worth the risk.

Yesterday, I went to my appointment with the psychologist. I see him about once a month. Since November, worsening depression has been a problem. Finally, in February, I told my primary care doctor that I wanted a referral for some help. I hadn't asked for help in a few years. They don't seem to take me seriously when I do.

I've been improving, though it feels like slogging my way up a steep hill with a load of rocks on my back. The psychologist said he thinks I'm making progress. Yesterday and today, I slid backwards. I could have stayed okay with some caring support from someone in my family. I wouldn't dare ask for that. They just don't know what that means. Discussing feelings is Verboten. Not that I want to bend anyone's ear for long, boring them with the travails of my recent life. My existence is of no great importance, nor of much interest. I have no delusions to the contrary. It is what I've made it, for better or worse. At least I can come here to MSF to express things and get some response.

So much tiredness goes with feeling this low. All I'm wanting is the bed.
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Today was awful. Then my cousin called me. She wants me to spend time staying with her, when I travel to where my family is. That was nice to hear.
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I'm having a very hard time. I feel so bad for my brother. If only he could have believed how much I cared about him.

I'm sorry for how much he suffered. He was very lonely. He drove people away from him. He made bad decisions. I still loved him.

I'm very lonely myself right now. I've been working on that. I've been finding activities. I went to a neighborhood meeting and decided I would volunteer at the next meeting. That's my plan for overcoming the depression that grips me so often. A lot of it is way too much aloneness. My brother was fighting the same problem, but he chose all the wrong ways of doing that. He really doomed himself.

I'm more sensible. Still, I'm having a real hard time right now. I wish I were not alone.
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Try not to feel alone. I am" here"in this spot with you. An Amazon meeting is not a bad idea. Too much alone news is not a good thing. I hope things go well with your family, but humans being humans means some unpredictability when everyone is at their best. Not making excuses foe bad behavior,but thirty+ years working in human services ha been my greatest teacher. Get out as much as you can even if its 10 man bites in the sun. Please check in when needed..I will try to be there shortly.

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Thank you, Deejay. It's true that human behavior is never totally predictable. I think it's best to not have real specific expectations. Better to stay loose and flexible and deal with what comes up, as it comes up. My main need is to avoid reacting too fast and remember that "no reaction" is always an option and sometimes the best one.

I know this is a holiday weekend and people have family doings to enjoy. I'll continue being alone and may come here to post. Not because I expect constant attention. It helps me to make a record of what's going on. It helps me take a look at myself and my approach and how it is or isn't working for me.

Me being alone is something I can do a lot about. I've started and I'm committed to it. I see the psychologist about once a month. That's what we focus on: what am I doing to make connections? The centerpiece of my program is a daily calendar where I am trying to lay out plans of what I have decided to do. I have to do better at that. Otherwise, I just fritter away hours and hours, doing nothing that I get real satisfaction from. My goal is to do more planning and hold myself accountable for following through. That's where the psychologist has a role. I need him to hold my feet to the fire a bit. I don't need a therapist to soft-soap me, give me affirmations or tell me how I'm trying and need to get credit for my efforts. I give myself plenty of credit. But I need to not persevere doing what doesn't work. When I talk out loud about what I'm doing, it's clearer where I've been dropping the ball.

I hate that I've been all alone for days, but I planned nothing, so here I am. I don't have to live so isolated.

This death of my brother happened and I was not expecting this. Now that I've got the arrangements in place, grief just came crashing down on me. He's gone, and that's final. He was such a talker. Now he will be silent. I almost can't even believe it. My life is too full of silence, except for the tinnitis. That seems to get worse and worse. I need to start thinking about a hearing aid.

I just have to get thru a few more days. Then I'll be on the plane. Then events will carry me along. Then I'll come back and work on my program to bust out of the shell I tend to be in. Next a warm soak in the tub. Tomorrow I must get out of this house. Maybe find an Al-Anon meeting to attend. I have to find people to be with.

It may work out that my family will be nice, and my visit may go just fine. I'll probably keep it shorter than I was considering. My cousin called again this eve, which I really appreciated. I would like to stay with her for a few days. Maybe I can work that in. Now I'm tired.
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Good morning Rose, I think you have a good perspective on th days ahead of you. I hope your family surprises you in all the best ways and all goes well. So happy to read that the psychologist is helping you in the way most useful to you.

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Busy yesterday. But, today, I did nothing. It has left me feeling bad.
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Busy yesterday. But, today, I did nothing. It has left me feeling bad.
Easy to say don't feel bad but from personal experience I have many days where I basically do nothing but dog care & then I have days like yesterday where I was on the go from 7:30am to 9:30pm & if I stop on a day like that I don't get started again so I get everything on my to do list done in one day.....then I don't feel as guilty about doing nothing again

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I have a problem with feeling guilty when do nothing. Unless I am sick I feel that I am not allowed to do nothing. I am trying to get better.
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I have a problem with feeling guilty when do nothing. Unless I am sick I feel that I am not allowed to do nothing. I am trying to get better.
I always had the attitude even in my career....I always gave 1000 % & sometimes worked 80 hr weeks. I felt I earned time off to recover & do nothing or get away. I did tge same thing studying for finals in college. Worked very hard studying for my good grades & just felt I earned my down time when it came. Guilt was never a feeling I had because even now in retirement I work hard & take time off to relax & enjoy my farm rather than just work, work, work.

It is a good thing to get better at because life is to be enjoyed not feeling guilty about

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I always had the attitude even in my career....I always gave 1000 % & sometimes worked 80 hr weeks. I felt I earned time off to recover & do nothing or get away. I did tge same thing studying for finals in college. Worked very hard studying for my good grades & just felt I earned my down time when it came. Guilt was never a feeling I had because even now in retirement I work hard & take time off to relax & enjoy my farm rather than just work, work, work.

It is a good thing to get better at because life is to be enjoyed not feeling guilty about
I do enjoy my life so it’s not all work at all, but in general my normal modus operanti is to be busy all the time. I get bothered by things not done. I am also a clean freak. That’s a story for another day.

Yeah it’s perfectly ok to do nothing and enjoy free time
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My visit is going well. I kind of miss being home, but it's nice to be around family.
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