[KUREHA]

At the World Science Festival this week, indications that brain scanners may soon uncover your private thoughts
By Brooke Borel
06.12.2009
Neuroscientists are already able to read some basic thoughts, like whether an individual test subject is looking at a picture of a cat or an image with a specific left or right orientation. They can even read pictures that you’re simply imagining in your mind’s eye. Even leaders in the field are shocked by how far we’ve come in our ability to peer into people’s minds. Will brain scans of the future be able to tell if a person is lying or telling the truth? Suggest whether a consumer wants to buy a car? Reveal our secret likes and dislikes, or our hidden prejudices? While we aren’t there yet, these possibilities have dramatic social, legal and ethical implications.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Media/2...ot-be-far-off/

This is what they do to me - they just have it perfected now - but there is the proof that you'll be able to hide nothing soon.
They are always raping my mind.

[mgran]

Hi Kureha, I'm sorry. I've known about this technology for some time. There are already talks about using them at airports, and they are being used experimentally by brain surgeons. (There was an episode of House where they used this kind of technology... not saying it's accurate though, that's just telly.)

Hope you're doing okay now.

This triggered my OCD and paranoia..I am NEVER getting a brain scan. What if they read my intrusive thoughts?

[Mylifeisdepressing]

I feel disturbed. Scientists have no right to be reading our minds. Airport security can check our bags, scan our bodies, but they are not going to start reading our minds, they have no right to know what is going on in our heads! This just made me so mad. Interesting, though.

[KUREHA]

I've know for a while as well - just wanted to post some proof.

They can also use ECT to put thoughts into your head, you have to be careful with what treatments you go for.

I don't think they really do this, this is illegal.

[mgran]

It's illegal now, but I'm sure in the name of national security things will change.

Jungle, I think you make a very important point about OCD. Sometimes when I'm not well I get intrusive thoughts about disasters, explosions and shootings and so on. (I grew up in Northern Ireland, and there were lots of shootings, carbombings going on. I have some trauma issues.) If I was going through airport security, and panicking about the plane crashing, or terrorirists or something, they could pick me up as a potential threat, not knowing what was causing my intrusive thoughts. That would be terrible! And I imagine all too common.

I'm already not sure I want to go through airport security again, on account of the full body scans. I don't want xrays going all through me! It can't be healthy.

Thanks for posting the proof Kureha, I think people should be made aware of the erosion of our liberties.

[Ygrec23]

My impression is that this kind of stuff is still really, really expensive. I mean, one of these super scans. And until they get the price way far down, there really won't be a general application to everyone. I know, Kureha, that you believe this is going on now in connection with you. But I have to say that just for reasons of cost I would doubt they do to you half the things of which you complain. To do the kind of monitoring and stalking and coordination which you describe would be monstrously expensive.

And I very much doubt they have the money to do this, at least to do it to reasonably insignificant people like you or I. In the really real world money is tight, even if you're dealing with government agencies. What neuroscientists can do in their laboratories, with millions in grants, is one thing. They're trying to find out what they can do and what they can't. But in terms of real life, where you and I and everyone else live, it hasn't yet progressed that far, I don't think. You may well believe that my position is childish and inane, but I don't agree. In the real world, in any real world, money and resources are always, always limited. Take care!

[KUREHA]

WelcomeToTheJungle - they did it during MKULTRA which was when they were trying to control people that was in the 50s - so think where they are now with all the advances in technology.

People always believe the doctor and not the patient as well.

Ygrec - see they don't need to pay most people - because of lies and mind control - they get lots of sleeper cells for free. The money doesn't matter to them, the testing they want me for does and now I know too much.

They drag you in to use you then waste you.

No offense but you sound delusional and paranoid, don't worry. So am I.
And they won't do this, this is illegal and will upset many people. They said this about x rays in airports (the ones where you can see through someone's clothes) and that never happened due to complaints. If they did use thhis then it would be used on criminals or people under suspicion in secret places, not ordinary people.

Everybody relax ... I'll be the first to volunteer then there will be no worries because with all the random crap racing through my skull at 90 miles a minute it will totally blow their equipment up!

[Ygrec23]

Originally Posted by WelcomeToTheJungle

No offense but you sound delusional and paranoid, don't worry. So am I. and they won't do this, this is illegal and will upset many people. They said this about x rays in airports (the ones where you can see through someone's clothes) and that never happened due to complaints. If they did use this then it would be used on criminals or people under suspicion in secret places, not ordinary people.

I have to agree with Welcome. There really are all kinds of built-in defenses against this kind of thing. Built-in to the government, built-in to our society. There are lots and lots (and really lots) of people who are freaked out by the possibility of this kind of thing and would scream and fight and do anything they possibly could to stop this kind of thing. It just couldn't happen without lots and lots of people knowing about it and *****ing to high heaven about it. People are by no means dumb, you know. People do know, do realize what's going on.

So between the cost and the eagle eyes of attentive people I would very much doubt that surveillance and harassment are going to happen on a large scale without people knowing absolutely all about it and telling others who will believe them.

For all I know, Kureha, you personally very much need to believe in this kind of thing. I don't know that I'm doing you any favor by emphasizing my lack of belief. I'm only telling you what I honestly believe and think to be true. And I have no more contact with the government here than you do. Just another social atom, like you.

Take care.

[KUREHA]

I know what I'm saying is true. the government knows it is true.

You're all just believing their lies, the media is full of stuff what they want you to hear - not what is true.

Why do you think they tried to destroy all the MKULTRA documents.

Ygrec - I don't want to believe it - but I have no choice now I've been chosen.

[mgran]

Where there is power there are always abuses of that power. It's naive to imagine that most people would stand up against corruption, or that people would even see it if it was happening. If people started to complain about this kind of technology the public wouldn't stand up in defence of the protestors, they'd laugh at them for believing crazy tin foil hat theories. I'm not saying that they have the technology on a large scale, or that it's coming in the immediate future, but I do believe it's coming. And they'll always find money for important projects.

[Inedible]

On Star Trek (next generation) in one of the novels, Captain Picard has to go over to the "mirror universe" where everyone is their evil twin including the ships's counselor, Deana Troi. The difference was that the Troi in the other universe wasn't half human so she could read thoughts as well as sense emotions. Captain Picard wanted to know what to do about this to avoid revealing that he is from our universe and not theirs. His Troi told him to keep thoughts in mind like songs or some of the poetry he memorized and just have it running around in his mind to block out regular thoughts. As long as he kept it significantly louder than the stray thoughts, it would be much harder to pick up on them. Just saying. If you know when they are going to be watching your mind you only have to guard it then.

I have to wonder if more New Age solutions would work. In addition to grounding, centering, relaxing, and meditating one of the categories of techniques is called shielding. It usually works to block harmful outside influences, but it can also be used with the intention of keeping thoughts and emotions in. I am curious, if this technology is developed to the point of being useful, if we would be able to bypass it by just remembering to do shielding from time to time. It could become as routine as getting dressed. Not very many people forget to get dressed and go around outside naked.

[mgran]

It's a good thought, Inedible. Everybody gets a song stuck in their head at some point, that would be a protective mechanism. This mightn't be the best example, because I was ill at the time, but one time when I thought I was being listened to I started trying to visualise a hypercube (a four dimensional cube) as a mental excercise, since I thought it would be sufficiently frustrating that nobody could see past it. The other thing I kept trying to picture was a klein bottle.

I realise of course the excercises were wasted, because nobody was in fact trying to listen to my thoughts, but I imagine these techniques would be effective if you ever needed them.

[KUREHA]

People always use new technology for the wrong reasons as well, just to be more powerful than someone else, to have defence against attacks, but they have to test these things on some people - which is what happens to me.

Someone told me to wear aluminium foil under a cap, she was a target as well.

[mgran]

Aluminium is a very light metal, and it doesn't keep out known forms of radiation. It might make you feel safer, but it wouldn't do anything to protect you. Sorry. To have anything that keeps out most forms of radiation you'd have to walk around with a lead helmet on, which would weigh a tonne, and not be easy to come by anyway, or encase your head in about four foot of concrete.

I am actually starting to believe this. I don't know if it's because I'm delusional or paranoid or whatever, but It sometimes feels as though someone is tuning into my brain. Is it probable I have a chip implanted in my brain and people are reading my thoughts??? This makes me want to pull my hair and scream
If you want someone to talk to, I am here because I feel alone in all this. Everyone I try to talk to just dismisses it as my age. :/

[mgran]

I don't think it's your age, Jungle. I certainly had the same thing, and it was stress related, not age related. I can say that it seems very unlikely you'd have a chip in your head, or that people are reading your thoughts. (Though I don't discount psychic experiences, having had a fair share of bona fide inexplicable examples of my own.)

I would talk to a doctor about this. Before I was put on helpful medications I was scared to go over the bridge in my village, thought of it as "Troll Bridge" (from the faery tale) and was convinced that a demon of some sort lurked beneath it, just below the water. I'd developed all sorts of rituals to allow me to cross the bridge safely. Within a few weeks of the "right" meds the troll disappeared, and I've not been frightened since.

Perhaps the meds work by helping us see reality as it really is, or perhaps they work by moving our minds back in sync with the rest of the world, and out of a danger zone. Because, perhaps there is some kind of monster under the bridge, only sideways in time, behind a veil that most people can't approach. And the meds have moved me away from that danger zone, so the monster's no longer a problem. In the same way, if some transdimensional being was trying to listen in on your thoughts, the meds could well cloud things for them, so they couldn't peek in. I don't discount that as a genuine explanation of the mechanism by which these meds work. It's possible. Don't tell my pdoc I said so though, or he'll increase my dose! But it really does seem to me a possibility.

[unaluna]

Nobody wants to listen to other people anyway, everybody thinks the next person is an idiot, why would they go to the trouble of trying to read your mind? Anybody only cares what they themselves think, IMO.

[mgran]

I agree with that Hankster, but the theory is that people are being subjected to tests. People in general don't care about rodents, but rodents are still subjected to tests by people who have no interest in them, or their well being. People aren't alleged to be listening because they are nosey, but because they have another agenda, possibly related to scientific experiementation. If this were the case (and I'm not saying it is) then it might have military or financial ramifications that would make it worth while to the experimenters. Imagine being able to advertise, for example, by creating the smell of hot chocolate as you walked past a store, or being able to defeat your enemy by literally striking the "fear of God" into them?

If that were the end game, then in the mean time nothing would stop normal people from being targetted in the "testing phase" of the products.

[KUREHA]

They are testing on some people - other wise why would so many complain of gang stalking. That's why they do it - because they want to check how well things are working.

They need to test these things on real people to see how it really works and some people get chosen, like the ones that can see through the lies we are told on a daily basis.
They care because you are their test subject.

I guess aluminium foil is the best for your head, it's not great though, they are always raping my mind.
I heard lead tshirts help against different kinds of attacks.

WelcomeToTheJungle - if you want to talk to someone, you can pm me, but I'm nearly double your age.

[unaluna]

okay, but they test rats in a lab, and they test people in labs, too, so they can control the variables. they probably have enough volunteers, they use college students, and I myself have volunteered (you do get paid). unis post their requirements on their websites. If they want to publish the study in a journal, they can't say, "we tested people on the street as they walked by", that test would have no validity. I admit, they do try to cheat on these research papers, but I think you give them too much credit. people are much dumber and lazier than you think.

[KUREHA]

Read about MKULTRA then tell me I'm wrong.

I've just watched the cameras outside my house, they aren't there for no reason.