[newtus]

after being boarded up by the masters themselves of modern psychiatry (aka hospital) last month i dont care for meds. great. fine. etc and the like.
im in therapy though. i need to be able to tell this therapist that my paranoia is #1 with life stressors. idk how to. my Dx is the same at this title with 'affective'. i dont want to say too much because i dont want to be robbed of harmony and my fear of being watched is so sky high. i want to get thru this through talking. non chemical. as my chemical fear is high and chemical arrest is high as well.

thanks again. and remember: i am big. its the pictures that got small.

[RunningEagleRuns]

Originally Posted by newtus

after being boarded up by the masters themselves of modern psychiatry (aka hospital) last month i dont care for meds. great. fine. etc and the like.
im in therapy though. i need to be able to tell this therapist that my paranoia is #1 with life stressors. idk how to. my Dx is the same at this title with 'affective'. i dont want to say too much because i dont want to be robbed of harmony and my fear of being watched is so sky high. i want to get thru this through talking. non chemical. as my chemical fear is high and chemical arrest is high as well.

thanks again. and remember: i am big. its the pictures that got small.

i recommend taking the meds.. they have helped me very much. good luck

[newtus]

thank you.

is there any chance i could do this without meds? like get well. some or mostly?
maybe even just some?

[RunningEagleRuns]

i doubt you could get well without meds, to tell you the truth. ive heard of natural ways to treat schizophrenia, but i think meds work the best. its tough to be dependent on meds. but it is better than being psychotic or paranoid. wishing you the best. feel free to message me. im on clozaril and clonidine for schizophrenia. they are helping me =]

[newtus]

thanks. i just...
i mean on im on the feared one with an "H"...we shall not say its name. but i will not take it. i feel like this is just me. this is why i want no meds. i mean my paranoia is big but i feel like its not for no...or any reason i mean. im on a cocktail. i fear someone i know reading this. so thats all ill say. the main one i mentioned above.i dont think psychosis is me. but it seems like when i am called that i feel like me. i know what some will say. anosognosia right? but how would i have that if i recognize what it could be but that i dont think its that? idk maybe idk what im saying but i think i do if anyone understands. i almost became diabetic on this stuff. im afriad this stuff will take away my personality..who i am..because in the past it has. amongst other stuff but thats mainly it. im wrecked by embarrassment of it all.

[newtus]

i once heard this voice recently basically tell me to leave this persons service. im thinking of it. just on the voice itself. im saying this because i have a reason to believe i should. i believe in premonitions. people that speak to me on a basis of telling me foreboding info. i just dont want to be wrong. thats all. well...i have reason to believe this diagnosis is Bs. main reason i follow this voice. secondary is i do believe in premonitions.

[FireBird]

Man, Newtus we have some of the same thoughts. I can tell the future as well. I have psychic dreams and visions. But having said that don't listen to the voices. Take your meds. They will take away the voices. This means you ARE psychotic. My psychologist has said today that I am currently experiencing a psychotic episode and she keeps on saying, "You realize that is a delusion, right?" I KNOW its real and not a delusion about what I think. I am full. I haven't been eating. Very little. Not due to the psychosis but rather the depression. What thing that you predicted has become reality? I would be interested to find out. I predicted 9/11, the 2004 tsunami, plane crashes, one of the deadlier pipeline explosions and got the number of dead down to the exact amount, and recently I predicted that the Dow is going to hit 13,000 and if things go well maybe 14,000 as well. I just see UP UP UP. I know that being psychotic is no fun and if you are hearing voices and having delusions that is classic of having a psychotic break. You should see your doctor.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by FireBird

What thing that you predicted has become reality?

mostly things about people around me. people dying. but i did predict when they were going to catch O.S. Laden. i was in the month range. almost to the exact week. i predicted it 1 year 6 months before it happened. i predicted some social upheaval like rioting in the streets. in the usa. i live in the usa. for awhile now ive been seeing visions of apocalyptic desertedness. like large wipeouts similar to chernobyl. i have reason to believe those will be soon. i dont claim myself to be a psychic. just since i was about 12 or so til now my premonitions have been 90% true. sometimes it's feelings. sometimes its visions. though its not really a feeling its deeply spiritual enlightenment. as i believe in the supernatural. i call the feeling the Influx of Knowledge...just something i have named it to explain it.

Originally Posted by FireBird

if you are hearing voices and having delusions that is classic of having a psychotic break. You should see your doctor.

maybe im not clear on how this Dx goes. i have the Dx like this forum except its the 'affective' on the end. like i said im highly paranoid to be straightforward. (though i hate saying "paranoid" because i just realized it means irrational and i feel far from irrational. at least for all of this that i explained. anyway. ive been feeling this way and hearing stuff here and there. mostly 50-60% of the day everyday for 1-2 years now. i was on meds before those years but my memory is shot so i cant remember how it affected me. i know i wasnt feeling good stil in general. i recognize delusions in my past but those seem highly farfetched than now. now doesnt seem any bit irrational to me. is it normal with this Dx to be under this much hearing voices nearly everyday for years, say?

[FireBird]

You can have voices for years. You just have to treat it if you don't want them. You have to find the right anti psychotic to eliminate the voices at least somewhat. It might not make them totally disappear. Do you mean "schizoaffective disorder?" My hallucinations are minor compared to yours. I don't know if I would be able to deal with voices all day long. Mine are mainly whispers of people talking to me. I also have thought insertion which isn't audible. The whispers are audible. Sometimes I hear my mom, my brother or the government for the whispers. Sometimes I don't know who it is at all. The thought insertion even though it isn't audible, I can tell the gender. it is a male and a deep voice. The aliens are sounding alien like obviously and not anything from this planet. Same with the demons. I call my power since I influence the events around me when I predict them, "the Power of Influence." My psychic powers are about 80% accurate. By the way if you don't know what "schizoaffective" means it is basically schizophrenia with a mood disorder attached to it. It differs from something like bipolar 1 with psychotic features and major depression with psychotic features due to the psychotic problems occurs outside a mood episode (normal mood) for at least 2 weeks. It also differs from schizophrenia in that you have either a major depressive episode or bipolar. There is 2 subtypes. One is the depressive type and the other is the bipolar type. If you mean schizoaffective disorder the prognosis for it is usually better than schizophrenia itself. Also on Psych Central there is an entire forum for schizoaffectives. I have schizoaffective disrorder bipolar type. "affective" just simply means mood by the way. bipolar and depression are affective disorders.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by FireBird

My hallucinations are minor compared to yours. I don't know if I would be able to deal with voices all day long. Mine are mainly whispers of people talking to me. I also have thought insertion which isn't audible. The whispers are audible. Sometimes I hear my mom, my brother or the government for the whispers. Sometimes I don't know who it is at all. The thought insertion even though it isn't audible, I can tell the gender. it is a male and a deep voice. The aliens are sounding alien like obviously and not anything from this planet. Same with the demons. I call my power since I influence the events around me when I predict them, "the Power of Influence." My psychic powers are about 80% accurate.

yes i did mean that. i know what it means im just confused by the Dx itself as it applies to me.ive had it for awhile but its so confusing. its depressive subtype.
ive never thought my hallucinations to be major. i hear people calling my name, whispering voices, and i guess if im highly stressed ill hear command voices. high stress comes often but not daily. i hear lots of noises. which i dont know if they are real or not but they never seem to have source. amongst other stuff. im so deathly afraid to be honest IRL about my experiences. i try. but its a deathly anxiety trap in the convo. those feelings i speak of arent thoughts, or emotional feelings, they are physical, but they happen in the core of my body. like someone out of this realm has physical implanted some knowledge in me like you slide in an flashcard with data/files on it into a computer. but i feel its sent down to me from above in a spiritual whirlwind.

[FireBird]

I hear my name being called as well. I also hear people threatening to kill me. The thought insertion are like command voices though. They tell me what to do. Sometimes I hear yelling in another room or the TV being on. The worst time for my voices are in the middle of the day and the morning. At night I am much calmer for some reason. Right now I don't feel safe outside. I still like going places because I hate being stuck at home but I have to move in patterns while going outside. If I am in a building with no windows I am fine. Besides voices which symptoms do you have? Voices are part of schizoaffective disorder. What exactly are you confused about? Maybe I can help you (if I can that is). Do you suffer from depression? If so this also means its schizoaffective.

[Midnightmoon]

I went off my meds 6 years ago after being on them from age 8 til 22. My regimen is down below. Most of it is me studying a lot and seeing what works. I also got a scholarship for supplments with a company called neuroscience. Check them out and ask your doc if you can get in on that program. Their Calm prt thing is the only thing that has really helped the really bad thoughts. I still have some minor voices and paranoia, but not as much as it used to be. I am on my way to healing. Some days are worse than others. The meds made me worse, made me so sick and stomach ache. Please don't diss me anyone for taking this route. I feel so healthy and I'm loosing weight by exercising.

So no meds can be done. I don't suggest going cold turkey if you are on meds. Work with someone who wants to do what you want to do, not be on meds, and don't try to fight someone who encourages it because you need to find someone who is right for what YOU want. The thing with herbs is that they aren't like pills where you take them and they work right away. You have to take herbs and supplements over a long period of time and they build up in your system so it helps you adapt better to the stresses of every day life. SO it is a lot of work doing it the natural way. But it can be done. It is a major lifestyle change and overhaul.

Something you can do with our your doctor is change your diet, going gluten free changed me tremendously.

I really wish psychic people like us were better supported in this society. I think really we were meant to communicate with other worlds and the future and get visions, but somehow this society has warped our minds.

[Midnightmoon]

oh yeah, and get out side in nature! I think that is number one. Find something outside you like to do and connect with the natural world. Whether it is just sitting by your favorite tree, watching the birds, tracking animal tracks, learning the plant names and wild edibles, just go outside!

[newtus]

Originally Posted by FireBird

Besides voices which symptoms do you have? Voices are part of schizoaffective disorder. What exactly are you confused about? Maybe I can help you (if I can that is). Do you suffer from depression? If so this also means its schizoaffective.

im usually not that depressed. but recently i hit a rough patch and have been depressed. though not for long right now. and not for long before but i suppose im too high functioning for schizophrenia and too low for mood. which is why im schizoaffective. i realize i meet the symptoms for schizoaffective. im confused about my Dx. but since i meet symptoms maybe its true. i dont think im in denial..? maybe i am. im too embarrassed to be seen as weak or not reliable in knowledge. i just..idk. um. i dont talk about what would be called paranoia because i just dont believe it is. i can agree to being paranoid sometimes because i can overthink, but wait..arent i just cautious?
for a few years strong now i have believed someone is after me. i DO believe i am being gangstalked. 1000% believe. +++. whatever like that much i mean. i believe i have pinpointed many people to who i believe it is. i believe it to be my neighbors along with a much much larger organization. these people keep following me the f**k around and i KNOW they can be dispersed in general public.interweaved. the store wherever. ALL places. ive got a plane following me here. i have this plane divebombing my house on irregular basis'. unmarked taunting me. i cant report it because its has no tags. plus so much more. you dont even know. but no one believes me! i mean absolutely no one.
this is highly distressing. to see that people IRL dont believe bothers me. it ISNT that farfetched. like i said though...i dont want to go into too much detail for fear of recognization. although. im deathly scared to say much about it with this counselor as i fear they are against me to. ive only been partially honest with her because im scared. ive been dropping hints and hoping to weave it into a convo but i just cant...do it. i just cant.
but this fear has gotten me into more trouble with police, hospitals, psychiatrists, random citizens, businesses in the local society, been kicked out of establishments, ive been kicked out of two schools, etc, more than anything my life. WHY?! i dont know. these idiots dont believe ANYTHING and im willing to make them believe. i should stop here.

[costello]

Originally Posted by Midnightmoon

I went off my meds 6 years ago after being on them from age 8 til 22.

Thanks for sharing your story. I find it very helpful.

Please don't diss me anyone for taking this route. I feel so healthy and I'm loosing weight by exercising.

I don't think anyone here will diss you. My deepest hope is that my son will be off meds one day. If he can't, he can't, but I'd least like to be able to say we tried. It's encouraging to me that you're off the meds after being on them for so long - and even being on them during the time period your brain was developing.

You have to take herbs and supplements over a long period of time ...

Interesting to know. My son's pdoc wants him to take fish oil. He's been inconsistent with it, but I figured it wasn't going to help anyway because his diet is so awful. I figure he consumes so much omega 6 that it would overwhelm the little bit of fish oil anyway.

Last week, though, he started modifying his diet - along with me - and I have some hope that there might be some difference. But I'm not sure how long it will take. Correcting a PUFA imbalance can take a long time, I think. With rheumatoid arthritis it takes like 3 months before you notice a difference apparently. But one study found that anxiety levels improved 20% in only 6 weeks - and the subjects of that study weren't suffering from excess anxiety to begin with!

Anyway I fear that unless my son sees a rapid improvement, he won't stick with it.

Something you can do with our your doctor is change your diet, going gluten free changed me tremendously.

He tried a gluten free diet for several months. No change from the diet and no change after quitting the diet. It may help some people but apparently not him.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by Midnightmoon

...

....Work with someone who wants to do what you want to do, not be on meds, and don't try to fight someone who encourages it because you need to find someone who is right for what YOU want...

...Something you can do with our your doctor is change your diet, going gluten free changed me tremendously.

I really wish psychic people like us were better supported in this society. I think really we were meant to communicate with other worlds and the future and get visions, but somehow this society has warped our minds.

its hard to find someone. as i live in a rural town 5 miles from the nearest city, but still really small. but 50 miles from a metroplex. :|

stress contributes to things. my main stressors i cant get away from at all. out of my control i mean. but then stress isnt the only thing. and those times when its not idk what it is.

i believe in the child mindset:
naivety. pure honesty. high curiosity.
i still have a lot of that since im fairly young and have no friends. 21 i mean. but i try not to let things warp the some i do still have.

[newtus]

i think i am a bit confused because ...
um..how do i put this confidentially...
someone who was very manipulative..told me theres nothing wrong with me because i can take care of myself and my speech is just fine. in referring to someone with schizophrenia...also that im an attention-seeker and lonely "thats all". unfortunately i havent seen them face to face in 1 year so i felt they didnt take into account part of that as the hospital made me shower cause i went 5 months without. thats another part of things but. also unfortunately i hear their critisizm in my head in a form of a voice. i have for 1 year now too. its rather debilitating in itself.

[Perna]

I would have a direct conversation with your therapist, tell him/her that your first priority is your paranoia and you want to work on it in therapy, not with meds at the moment as you would find that more valuable to your getting better than fighting with your additional discomfort of meds which may/may not help you deal with your emotions and states of being yourself. Anyone is liable to symptoms of paranoia and other illness symptoms just much less than someone dealing with an actual illness, just as we have both good and bad bacteria in our gut but if they get out of balance, bad things can happen. You'd like to be better able to deal with your paranoia and get the whole toolkit, not just the meds portion (at this time; accent that so it does not sound like you are being unreasonable and would not ever consider meds, even if someone were to convince you they would be more helpful to you).

[newtus]

Originally Posted by Perna

I would have a direct conversation with your therapist, tell him/her that your first priority is your paranoia and you want to work on it in therapy, not with meds at the moment as you would find that more valuable to your getting better than fighting with your additional discomfort of meds which may/may not help you deal with your emotions and states of being yourself. Anyone is liable to symptoms of paranoia and other illness symptoms just much less than someone dealing with an actual illness, just as we have both good and bad bacteria in our gut but if they get out of balance, bad things can happen. You'd like to be better able to deal with your paranoia and get the whole toolkit, not just the meds portion (at this time; accent that so it does not sound like you are being unreasonable and would not ever consider meds, even if someone were to convince you they would be more helpful to you).

wow thats good advice i thank you for that. yes accent it. i def will. thats so good. thank you.

[Midnightmoon]

Costello, about the gluten free diet, did your son go completely gluten free, with not even a crumb? It takes like several months to get out of your system and if you slip then you are right back where you started. Some people only respond to gulten free and dairy free combo. I should not eat dariy but I can't stay away from cheese!

[costello]

Originally Posted by Midnightmoon

Costello, about the gluten free diet, did your son go completely gluten free, with not even a crumb? It takes like several months to get out of your system and if you slip then you are right back where you started. Some people only respond to gulten free and dairy free combo. I should not eat dariy but I can't stay away from cheese!

We were obsessive about it, and we saw no difference. I've heard about the dairy-gluten combo thing. Unfortunately my son's really not into making changes to diet. I just can't imagine telling him to give up gluten and dairy - without being able to promise any results. That would go over like a lead balloon.

I'm thrilled he's willing to try the omega 3 thing. The cynical part of me thinks it's because I'm providing the food and cooking. But then he did call me at work yesterday to make sure what he was having for lunch was ok, so maybe he's really into it.

[bipolarmedstudent]

costello, have you had your son tested for various vitamin/mineral deficiencies? Given that you have tried some extreme diets with him in the past, it's possible he may be defficient in some nutrient. In that case, you would want to supplement with that nutrient.

I was just tested for deficiencies recently, and found out that I am deficient in both ferritin and vitamin D. Now I take both iron and vitamin D supplements, as well as omega 3.