God

RunningEagleRuns · Aug 17, 2012, 02:07 PM

I find I can't believe that everything bad that happens to me is God cursing me. I get angry at him because he could change everything in a second. But I can't be angry at him for all the stuff that goes on in my life...

God could change everything. But it's not his fault.

What do you think about all this??

costello · Aug 17, 2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RunningEagleRuns

I find I can't believe that everything bad that happens to me is God cursing me.

Who told you that everything bad that happens to you is God cursing you? I don't believe that at all.

Aug 17, 2012, 03:48 PM

If you ARE indeed religious... It could be said that we were given life & free will for a reason. Not for him to control everything that happens in our lives. Not for him to either bless us or curse us at every turn. But we're supposed to experience whatever comes our way; either by destiny or random order... How we respond to it is what is important. And he will probably be quite pleased to hear that you're not just shaking your fist & angry at him because things aren't going your way right now.

newtus · Aug 17, 2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shayatanica

If you ARE indeed religious... It could be said that we were given life & free will for a reason. Not for him to control everything that happens in our lives. Not for him to either bless us or curse us at every turn. But we're supposed to experience whatever comes our way; either by destiny or random order... How we respond to it is what is important

AND THIS is what i try to tell people

They dont get it

Ones44 · Aug 17, 2012, 05:06 PM

Have you ever read the book of Job? In that book, God allows the devil to take everything away from Job(His family died, his crops were burned, and etc. etc... all in one day.) Job never cursed God, but praised His name. In the end, Job was blessed many times more than before.
A religious stance is that God is sovereign and that he is making you go through this for a reason. It is though pain that we experience growth. And, yes it does hurt... and God says that there will be trials and tribulations, but that he would never give us that which we cannot overcome...
If only I had faith to believe what I write...

newtus · Aug 17, 2012, 06:18 PM

faith is hard because it requires patience. something so many people lack.

Ones44 · Aug 17, 2012, 07:39 PM

I've been waiting my whole life. I'm 18. It has been more than a decade since my first suicide attempt... and after that attempt, God made everything 10x worse... I prayed to God to take away my pain... what did I do to deserve it? God eventually allowed me out of that situation, but he threw poison in the wounds at every chance. I will never heal because He has forsaken me from the beginning. I hate everything and I hate myself. I have always been universally hated and blamed.

newtus · Aug 17, 2012, 08:35 PM

but you said it yourself in that post above about freewill.

even if you dont actually believe you still aregoing through this and i KNOW you cant just pull yoursell up by your bootstraps i hate that term. But you must find a person or a thing or something to help you get through this.

Me? I found an idea. Ive been delving into philosophy books

newtus · Aug 17, 2012, 08:38 PM

i found that besides just God.
personally im christian and im using gods free will he gave to me find other things like said above.

thats just ME.
i wish you luck i really do.

on another note im still not Well. i have what i have i accepted it. nowits just about finding what i can do with it
you know?

newtus · Aug 17, 2012, 08:48 PM

idk nm.

im not trying to downplay your situation

im just another person with schiz

missbelle · Aug 17, 2012, 08:55 PM

Me too I love Philosophy........and also I think God can handle our anger at Him as well. I see nothing wrong with getting mad at God. Its good to get it off our chest and he's God.....he know we are human.....

Ones44 · Aug 17, 2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by newtus

idk nm.

im not trying to downplay your situation

im just another person with schiz

No, its fine... Your input was very good...
I'm just a bit f***ed up...
I don't always believe in my situation...
You can't downplay it more than I have...

I read philosophy... still do sometimes... Chesterton was good... but Nietzsche still affects me negatively and positively or not...
I believe the Bible is %100 true... I don't know if I'm a christian, not sure if I am capable. My senior thesis this year is my theory that this "world" isn't a world anymore.

RunningEagleRuns · Aug 17, 2012, 10:27 PM

thanks everyone =p

Aug 18, 2012, 09:00 AM

For an absolute non-Christian, I did a bang-up job! Hahaha

myvoiceshearvoices · Aug 22, 2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RunningEagleRuns

I find I can't believe that everything bad that happens to me is God cursing me. I get angry at him because he could change everything in a second. But I can't be angry at him for all the stuff that goes on in my life...

God could change everything. But it's not his fault.

What do you think about all this??

all good things come from God, all bad things come from other forces.
there are malevolent forces that can block out others from helping you.
God and the Holy Spirit can help you but you must seek their help, not because they want your attention, but because it will clear other evil forces from blocking their good energy

costello · Aug 28, 2012, 11:26 AM

Here's a recent post from Pat Deegan's blog that might have a useful perspective for you, RER:

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Remember My Name
by patricia.deegan on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 7:47pm
..excerpted from my lecture: Remember My Name

I remember the first time I met God in the tomb. I was in a mental hospital. I was laid out on a cold white sheet, in a Thorazine induced exhaustion. I was seventeen years old, diagnosed with schizophrenia and had been lying on that hospital bed for three days. My body was stiff and heavy from the Thorazine, which had left my tongue cracked and dried and swollen within my parched mouth. A hospital attendant shook my bed to awaken me and helped to prop me up. He said the chaplain had come by to administer the sacrament of communion. I managed to receive the blessing, and as I began to slump back into unconsciousness, a terrible coldness came upon me. I was so afraid! I was afraid because I was so far away and all alone. I felt so desolate, so erased, so utterly disappeared and buried, that no human hand could possibly reach me. And as the drugged darkness began to swallow me away, I remember experiencing God's presence and saying, "It's just you and me. Just you and me God." And that was all. But that was enough.

To find that God was already there; to find that God was already dwelling in that tomb; to find that in the place-where-no-human-hands-could-reach-me, there, already, was my God with the hands to catch my collapse, now that was grace. The Psalmist bursts into praise at such revelations: "Where can I go from your spirit? From your presence where can I flee? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; If I sink to the nether world, you are present there." (Psalm 139:7-10). But I was no Psalmist. I was just a teenager diagnosed with schizophrenia, passing out on a hospital bed. Yet this discovery that God was already present in my suffering, was the experiential foundation of my recovery.

The discovery that God-was-with-me meant I was not forsaken. It meant even when the professionals got it wrong or even when the limits of human helping had been reached, there was still hope for me. No matter how scary, how forlorn, how afraid, how psychotic, how depressed, anxious, panicked, weary, or disorganized I became, God was with me. And importantly, this God had no agenda to change me; no treatment plan for me; no magic bullet for me; no miracle to work on me; and no magic spells to make me normal again. This God simply is, was and always had been there, in my madness, in my pain, in my despair. There's something deeply healing in that. For me, I think it was just the knowledge that I could never truly get lost if God was always, already there with me.

It was deeply healing for me to discover I could never truly get lost, if God was always, already there with me. That knowledge was healing because it promised that schizophrenia was not about being lost. Rather, schizophrenia could be a passageway, and God was already with me as I began to move through it. It meant schizophrenia could be a passageway and not a destination. It meant psychosis was hallowed ground, blessed by God's presence. Understand I am not saying I saw the pathway to recovery clearly laid out before me, in some type of divine revelation. Rather, I experienced a certainty that I could never really be lost, if the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the Path towards which all paths lead, was already walking by my side.

http://www.patdeegan.com/blog/posts/remember-my-name

FireBird · Aug 28, 2012, 01:32 PM

I don't believe that God is cursing you. I believe in God.

For example there are many, many times that mom should have died. Like she had shoulder surgery and then it became infected. The doctors told us don't expect her to make it because her fever was over 105. Then she had to have the emergency surgery because of the infection. During it I prayed and prayed with tears running down my face. She came out alive!

Then a few years earlier, she had severe lung issues. This time back in 2002 they gave her 2 years to live. She was on oxygen. Couldn't walk very well. One doctor said to get rid of all our pet birds because they thought she was allergic to the birds. He wouldn't test for anything else. Then mom said "goodbye you are not going to look at anything else? I wanted you to actually test if I am allergic to birds!" So she went to another doctor who did the testing. She was NOT allergic to the birds. There were many many times that she had to go to the hospital with this lung condition. Once she had to be taken in an ambulance. Once again they didn't expect her to live. Once someone else tested her, it was actually severe sleep apnea. Once the docs got her on the CPAP machine and after 100's of vitamins then she finally improved.

Now her lungs are better, almost normal except when she gets pneumonia and bronchitis.

Once she was in a devastating car accident complete with a total flip. If she was a couple of feet over she could have gotten electrocuted. Once again the angels were helping.

Also I got a dog when I was 7 and back then I was much more severely autistic than now. Nearly every single symptom. But the second I got the dog, I started talking for the very first time! I started growing out of the autism! I had too many miracles from God and His angels that it is too many to count. It is impossible to not believe in God. But I am not totally religious because I also believe in science.