[Sometimes psychotic]

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So I was reading this article by Whitaker and started wondering what if there were a genetic test for sz? Sure it could be useful in getting early intervention for those who might get sick later on but all I could think after reading the article was how long until the selective abortions began. Would people give birth to people who might develop sz if there were a test that could tell? Sure there might be a few but really how long until we were simply not allowed the privellege of birth?

After doing 23 and me I thought genetics was the answer to the cure to sz but now I see it could just as easily be the end to it all. Thoughts? Would you like to see a genetic basis for sz discovered or prefer that we simply not fund that type of science?

[newtus]

i saw at sz.com recently someone asked the parents if they knew ahead of time that their child would have sz - if they would had had them. some people said no.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by newtus

i saw at sz.com recently someone asked the parents if they knew ahead of time that their child would have sz - if they would had had them. some people said no.

See that's what I mean exactly and that's after knowing their own children...how easy it would be to abort an unknown fetus the size of a grape.

[newtus]

it was sad to me. so sad. the ones that sad no.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by newtus

i saw at sz.com recently someone asked the parents if they knew ahead of time that their child would have sz - if they would had had them. some people said no.

That's... heartbreaking ... Wow, that really makes me sad but I'm not really surprised that people have said that either.

Sure it could be useful in getting early intervention for those who might get sick later on but all I could think after reading the article was how long until the selective abortions began.

Exactly.

I've mentioned before that BBC3 are currently doing a MI season with lots of programmes about MI. Yesterday I watched one about the 'science' of social anxiety, OCD, anorexia, sz and bp. It was displayed as total fact i.e. "this study shows that this bit of brain does this in [MI]" and "this neurotransmitter does this in [MI]" which really annoyed me. My point is that if sz is portrayed as a biological condition that is unrecoverable from, then I'm not surprised that people would want to abort sz babies. It's very sad though.

In response to your Q Sometimes, I'm not sure there will ever be a genetic test for sz because I'm not sure it works like that. I think that, if sz as a condition exists (disclaimer: not discounting people's symptoms but whether something like the DSM5 correctly identifies everyone as having the same underlying condition) and it is genetic, it would involve epigenetics like trauma or major stress to 'activate' the (many) genes involved, so I'm not sure you could say ''this foetus will develop sz at some point...'' with any certainty.

*Willow*

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by WeepingWillow23

I've mentioned before that BBC3 are currently doing a MI season with lots of programmes about MI. Yesterday I watched one about the 'science' of social anxiety, OCD, anorexia, sz and bp. It was displayed as total fact i.e. "this study shows that this bit of brain does this in [MI]" and "this neurotransmitter does this in [MI]" which really annoyed me. My point is that if sz is portrayed as a biological condition that is unrecoverable from, then I'm not surprised that people would want to abort sz babies. It's very sad though.

In response to your Q Sometimes, I'm not sure there will ever be a genetic test for sz because I'm not sure it works like that. I think that, if sz as a condition exists (disclaimer: not discounting people's symptoms but whether something like the DSM5 correctly identifies everyone as having the same underlying condition) and it is genetic, it would involve epigenetics like trauma or major stress to 'activate' the (many) genes involved, so I'm not sure you could say ''this foetus will develop sz at some point...'' with any certainty.

*Willow*

I hope you're right but a lot of the genetics that's been done suggests either rare point mutations or partial deletions in a whole pathway of sz genes rather than epigenetics. All that could be tested for on a chip although it would be complex. I though epigenetics too until I saw the mutations in my own genome. It just scares me because I was thinking of pushing the research forward until I realized that they would probably start screening people instead of using the research to develop new drugs to help people.

[faerie_moon_x]

If there were a genetic test you could actually know what's going on and there would be less "fake" people (those who for some weird reason thing MI is soemthing they want to have.... and therefore make those who have it look bad....) But, the evil applications of people aborting their kids or whatever would be horrible.

It would be like Gatica.. Have you seen that film? It's so frustrating the thing that could help all of us could also be used for such evil. If there was genetic tests or things involved to know what is really going on, it would be easier to provide proper treatements instead of guessing.... but.... I'd rather there not be a test if it means saving even one baby's life....

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by faerie_moon_x

If there were a genetic test you could actually know what's going on and there would be less "fake" people (those who for some weird reason thing MI is soemthing they want to have.... and therefore make those who have it look bad....) But, the evil applications of people aborting their kids or whatever would be horrible.

It would be like Gatica.. Have you seen that film? It's so frustrating the thing that could help all of us could also be used for such evil. If there was genetic tests or things involved to know what is really going on, it would be easier to provide proper treatements instead of guessing.... but.... I'd rather there not be a test if it means saving even one baby's life....

Yeah I have seen it, it was a long time ago though, but yeah can you imagine if they somehow filtered us off for low stress careers or something like that just to "help" us or because we were better "qualified". I don't know what to think. I feel the genetics really have to be sorted out in order to get better treatments unless we just do a random drug search like plant extracts etc. but I think that if they figure out the genetics that might be the end of neurodiversity.

[faerie_moon_x]

I love babies I cry so hard at any news story that talks about bad things happening to them. They are just tiny people who can't voice their minds or defend themselves, and all they need and want is love and nourishing from their moms and dads. Even if any of my boys end up with MI (which is highly possible since there's also a lot of obvious MI in my husband's family,) I would still love them jsut as much as advocate for them every day and let them them know they aren't in this alone, they've got mom on their side...

These people saying they would never have their kids.... OMG it's disgusting to me.

It makes me so sad.

But, I fear we are getting towards a place where "designer" children are going to start happening, even in people who don't have MI. I mean.... it already is happening to an extend. The super wealthy spinning the sperm to ensure a gender. Eye color. hair color. Skin tone... better chance against diseases / illnesses.... You'll know what your kid looks like before it's even conceived....

[Brosci]

I'm starting to think that sums of the MI run in my family. I wouldn't want a child of mine in the future having what i have