[Sometimes psychotic]

I know this came up here before but can't remember the details of who asked...anyway there have been some studies...it seems like the babies are OK but more likely to need extra care at birth...

Spotlight on antipsychotics in pregnancy › News in Science (ABC Science)

[nbritton]

Latuda is the only pregnancy category B antipsychotic on the market right now, everything else is category C or worse.

http://womensmentalhealth.org/specia...ing-pregnancy/

Babies are more likely to be sluggish/sedated, floppy and can also show signs of akathisia and EPS if an AP is used in the last trimester, which is why they need special monitoring/care. I never heard about them causing birth abnormalities, but my huge fear with them is the effect they could have on a foetal brain. After decades of stating that any brain abnormalities/damage was due to psychosis and not AP use, they're only just coming out to admit that they *can* cause brain shrinkage, and if they do that in an adult brain, what effect would they have on foetal brain development??? They might SAY they are safe, but I don't think there's enough research to say that from following up on these children's intellectual/cognitive development, so personally I would categorically refuse to take an AP under any circumstances while pregnant, but then I'm fortunate that I can manage without one.

*Willow*

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by WeepingWillow23

Babies are more likely to be sluggish/sedated, floppy and can also show signs of akathisia and EPS if an AP is used in the last trimester, which is why they need special monitoring/care. I never heard about them causing birth abnormalities, but my huge fear with them is the effect they could have on a foetal brain. After decades of stating that any brain abnormalities/damage was due to psychosis and not AP use, they're only just coming out to admit that they *can* cause brain shrinkage, and if they do that in an adult brain, what effect would they have on foetal brain development??? They might SAY they are safe, but I don't think there's enough research to say that from following up on these children's intellectual/cognitive development, so personally I would categorically refuse to take an AP under any circumstances while pregnant, but then I'm fortunate that I can manage without one.

*Willow*

I'm reminded of the Italian woman who went to the UK...was off meds due to pregnancy had a break, got sectioned then forcibly c-sectioned and baby was taken from her permanently. So I think that outcome is far worse....she was just visiting and they took her child forever...I think it's reasonable to take APs if you usually do to prevent something like that....

The decision to take any medication, even supplements like folic acid, during pregnancy are personal, and I would certainly never dream of imposing my viewpoint on anyone else. I was merely pointing out that, though pdocs say APs are safe, they don't have all the evidence and so I'm dubious about that.

Regarding the case you mention Sometimes, I heard the highly sensationalised version in the news, but I don't know the true facts. If you are MI and need hospital with a baby under 1yo, you should be placed in a specialised mother and baby unit wherever possible. Also, if that was not possible, her child would have been given to the care of family members until she was well enough (who probably would've had to come from Italy to get the child and care for it here or organise a passport to take it back to Italy). If there is no family to take the child, then it would be placed in foster care until she was well enough to resume caring for it. Only a very long time down the road (talking years here) would the child be permanently adopted if she was unable to manage to care for the child, preferably with family. My Mum was a child protection social worker, and we also adopted 2 children; adoption doesn't just happen overnight!

Again, medication during pregnancy is a personal decision and the risks of meds to the baby needs to be carefully weighed against the risk to Mum and foetus if meds are stopped. My personal opinion is just that

*Willow*

[Sometimes psychotic]

Here in the states we basically do force key nutritional items on people...certain things flour rice and milk are basically required to be supplemented to prevent some of the early term developmental defects as well as certain later deficits.

Regarding the Italian lady it may actually be because she wasn't British that she wasn't treated fairly...I never saw the final outcome to that case I really hope she got her kid back after the media storm...I think the baby would be British/Italian citizen but I'm not sure if England recognizes dual citizenship...so that may have complicated things if the kid was British but not the mom.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Judge orders mentally ill woman to have forced caesarean - Telegraph

Child p now 15 months old is up for adoption against her mothers wishes....

We also have folic acid in cereals (and possibly other stuff as well that I'm not aware of) and fluoride in the water etc.

Regarding this case, it seems the child was adopted in the UK, which is a shame, and the stuff about it being because the baby has to be in a 'secure' placement by 9mo is rubbish cos my adopted sister was brought to live with us well after 9mo, basically disrupting her attachment to her foster parents. But the woman also had 2 other kids being looked after by her mother as she wasn't stable enough to care for them, but I'm not clear on why her mother wouldn't take the new baby? Anyway here's a link to more info:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/...tory-was-wrong

*Willow*

Originally Posted by Sometimes psychotic

Judge orders mentally ill woman to have forced caesarean - Telegraph

Child p now 15 months old is up for adoption against her mothers wishes....

So here the kid is well over 9mo and still not placed with her 'forever family', yet couldn't stay in care for a year for the mother to prove she was stable to get her back because it would be over 9mo and disrupt attachment - do they not see the stupidity in this??!! *sigh*

*Willow*

[Sometimes psychotic]

Should a mental illness mean you lose your kid? - Salon.com

Apparently some of the us states will permanently take kids due to a temporary post birth psychosis that seems so unfair....

[newtus]

i would fear having a child then. im sure id be prone to post birth or even pre birth psychosis

Sometimes: That's awful!

*Willow*

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by newtus

i would fear having a child then. im sure id be prone to post birth or even pre birth psychosis

You need to check what state you live in this was Missouri...

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by WeepingWillow23

Sometimes: That's awful!

*Willow*

I know her pdoc testified on her behalf but apparently the judge thought she was making weird faces etc...ie either discriminatory toward her or I'm wondering if she had TD or something....either way...it's just terrible an illogical...

I actually found this on a psychiatry board on the sister forum sdn but with no responses....