not allowed to post somewhere else

The larger point is that individuals in crisis states often suffer from fragmented ego barriers -- as a result, the world can come flooding in, in a most distressing manner creating intense fear. Part of the recovery process includes dismantling fear and anxiety cycles that can be triggered as well as re-learning how to reality test. For that, we need reliable information, not speculation.

yes, i understand that. actually i read the book by john weir perry you suggested some months ago, found it very helpful. basically conspiracy theories were what i was talking about... there are many believers who are very stable. at one point, when i was on the verge of breakdown, and a friend told me about it, i wondered if he was a bit psychotic.

and yes, i'm aware it is speculation - what else could it be when we're talking about things like this? but still.. whatever happens, happens. and like tishie said, good luck to us all.

- twilight

twilight: basically conspiracy theories were what i was talking about...

Ahhh. I understand. Some matters beg speculation, in part, because on some level we have probably already accepted that we're not really going to know the absolute answer.

Maybe the best approach in that regard would be to start a new thread to discuss the issue or to specifically state, "What I have to say might be considered a conspiracy by some..."

Meantime, I read an article not long about "Online Forums, Conspiracy Theories and Mental Illness". The author seemed to be suggesting that people who engage in speculation/conspiracy theories may be mentally ill. There was quite a backlash in response. I'll see if I can find it again and either post it or slip it in your mailbox.

~ Namaste

SE: Wrong again! I said MY EXHUSBAND was twisted and evil! I don't make statements of a group that is that judgmental, especially when I don't know each and every individual.

Your perception of me is wrong and generalized. You don't even begin to know who and what I am. This thread and my response to Reddragon was rather criptic, yes, but it was that way for a reason. I gave you that reason. Now you've taken it upon yourself to make a crusade out of it. Go for it. It's all yours.

I see that Reddragon has only responded ONCE to something I said and nothing else. Reddragon's question has been answered. Subject over.

I would ask that the two members who appear to be ready to hijack this thread with their own argument take it to PM or place one another on ignore. Please respect the OP's feelings and fears, and do not continue posting about other topics in this thread that have little to do with them. Thanks.

Hello reddragon,

maybe you remember me from the chat a few days ago. I see that you seem to feel irritated and worried. This inauguration ceremony was a historical event, and everybody feels there is something special happening. And another thing is that obviously something has changed, and more change may come.

This can be frightening if one does not exactly know how to react to all this. Giving oneself time to adapt can be helpful. You told me that you pray. This might give you additional solace and comfort.

It might be hard for you not to feel threatened all or most of the time. But give it a try to relax and trust the world, no matter what hardships there are. Life is not always peaceful and problem-free, but I have learned that if I believe and trust a little more in me and the world, my fear receded and let me go. I had serious panic attacks, but I have recovered from that, only by building up the power of trust and agreement to things as they are. It feels so good. I wish you could feel that too, one day.

reddragon: caught off guard a bit. again sorry. i did not mean to take this subject here. but if anyone wants to know, MANY (not my voices ) of others agree the figure, antichrist promises many things and does many to get those fouling him and those worship him in a way. look at things now. many worship him, made promises, as far as history is concerned, remember one thing all know is the truth, history is written by the victors. history has showed that.

reddragon, when I had my experience, "Satan" showed up and part of my task was to "slay that beast". The difficulty was...

If I fed my fear, my fear got bigger and then Fear would win.

And if I fed my hate, my hate would get bigger and then Hate would win.

And if I fed my anger, my anger would get bigger and then Anger would win.

And the biggest problem of all would be that fear, hate and anger all belong to the element we call evil or negative so if I did any of those things... Satan would win.

I was very unsure how to proceed.

In the end, I won that battle. I won because I "slayed the beast" with Love. Good (God) won/Devil (Evil) lost.

When you feel fearful I suggest that you think of all the people you have loved in your life and all the people who have loved you. Imagine that love circling you like a protective cloak. If you're feeling very brave, you can use some of that love to fashion a spear, or an arrow, or even a bullet that has never been made before. Aim that sucker right into the beast's heart. Then, love the Love you put there. As you love it, it will grow and Love will slay the beast.

~ Namaste

That was ALWAYS my intention, Doc John, to respond to Reddragon's fears. It was not I who made false accusations and took the subject off course to discuss a mental illness. Now it has turned to discussing religion, i.e., the Book of Revelations, the last book in the Holy Bible. When did it become okay to discuss religion again and not even in the Spirituality Forum?? Why wasn't it made public?

As a modest reminder, the title of this forum is "Schizophrenia and Psychosis" -- these are considered to be forms of mental illness. Therfore, it is appropriate to discuss mental illness in this forum.

Other themes that might occasionally be discussed include "schizophrenic/psychotic" experiences such as voices, thought insertion, fears, paranoia, aliens, shadows, bugs, devils, gods, etc. These are all aspects of "schizophrenic/psychotic" experiences that are not common to other forms of mental illness and therefore, are prone to misinterpretation by individuals who have never experienced such states.

STOP, STOP NOW.all stop PLEASE.this is a minute part of my curse. see?
truth, my computer started to crash while posting somewhere else. i had a window opened here just dropped down. i came here then to see if anyone i know was here to say hi, how are you.no one here then so i went to there to post, an episode happened and it took a minute or two to get ME in control. computer started freezing up so i copied the message and this sight was working so i asked and the sight let me post the message, so to save it. the response was in a conversation going on at the time. Ty again for keeping the message.
Doc. John, thank you for this sight and i am sorry i caused a problem. what i posted then was not meant to go anywhere. i am sorry, we are sorry now, we always cause problems sorry.,i am cursed i see. that is true i understand now, even here, sorry.

i never stated tattoes. i said marks. why is others puting word in my mouth? marks on a body is not just tattoes, that i NEVER stated.

You cant mention this subject WITHOUT mentioning the bible I have things to say that are making me ill but cant because of the religion ban, it is making life very hard for me.

I cant mention it to any Drs as they wont understand I can mention it to the odd person who is classed as religous and they understand they do not or have not been diagnosed with any mental illness, does believing in God make them ill ?

Just because we think about things that are not acceptable make us all ill ? Is everything we think about due to our illness ? I think not, and this time I KNOW it is not to do with illness.

Its a real threat and fear.

I cant say anymore without getting into trouble and maybe be banned from here when its my only contact with people who understand me. I would die (truth) without this site, so what am I to do ? Keep quiet about my fears ? I am distressed.

SE, you've mentioned 'facing the devil' and i can relate to the statement.. it can be summarized as facing my own fears, that which might threaten to overtake my own good will and intent.. to search within our own interiors is very hard and requires a definite amount of personal bravery to withstand.. in the course of self learning and discovery of the world which surrounds us, it is natural to feel fear and have worries..

when we isolate ourselves, whether the cause is real or imagined, we then limit our world to the interior echo chamber of our own minds...

by reaching out to others in good faith, good faith has greater opportunity to find us...

do not let fear overcome reddragon...... allow peace to take control and even when those darkest fears seem real, a place will exist inside you, untouchable by any other..

Tishie: You cant mention this subject WITHOUT mentioning the bible I have things to say that are making me ill but cant because of the religion ban, it is making life very hard for me. ... I cant say anymore without getting into trouble and maybe be banned from here when its my only contact with people who understand me. I would die (truth) without this site, so what am I to do ? Keep quiet about my fears ? I am distressed.

Part of the reason I have found a Jungian approach so helpful is because it acknowledges what might be called "religious" or "spiritual" aspects that are so often a common component of psychosis. Perhaps one critical difference is that a Jungian might call these religious/spiritual aspects "archetypal" figures -- archetypal because they are common to all cultures although they may be symbolized differently according to a specific culture. For example, archetypal symbols of the center (Self) might include Jesus Christ, Buddha, Kali, an eagle, an elephant, a phoenix or a lotus blossom. Those are just some examples.

Likewise, all cultures have an archetypal symbol that represents evil. In this culture, the most common representative of evil is satan, the devil or the anti-christ. Within a Jungian model, the devil represents the archetypal shadow. Accompanying this symbol are intense emotions such as fear, terror, horror, shame, pain, etc.

Shadow material is the first layer of the unconscious which is probably why fear and anxiety can be such common components of a fragmentation crisis. In spite of the commonality it can be very overwhelming to encounter these kinds of visions and emotions in a fragmented state -- I believe this is because we end up encountering contents from both our personal unconscious and the collective unconscious. Emotions that belong to our personal unconscious might include past traumas or painful things that were said or done to us in our childhoods. Emotions that belong to the collective unconscious might include traumas or fears that affected our entire gender or nationality, perhaps going back for many generations.

Some aspects may be so frightening, we have a need to keep our distance from them. This is what produces splitting, dissociation and projection of our fears upon the world around us. One of the benefits of therapeutic efforts is that it creates a safe container where we can work through our fears as we are capable. As we do so, we tend to project fewer fears upon the world and the people around us. Our darkness lifts, the world brightens up and starts to feel safe again. This takes much patience though, and lots of love and compassion.

See also: Christ: A Symbol of the Self

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more and more kudoes SE its like you are writing my own personal story from so many different perspectives...

i took a risk and asked myself 'what would Jesus do?' ... i had to answer as if i was in the place of Jesus... and then i did the same, as if i were Buddha, Kali, Confucious, Nostradamus... pick the character of your liking

what i came up with was that a GOOD person would consider all others nearby... a GOOD person would care not only for self, but the others because a GOOD person would know that others matter....

reddragon: computer started freezing up...

I've read this thread a couple of times this morning and this last time I read it, your post from 4:11 am showed up but the odd thing is, it just showed up. You're right reddragon -- something is slowing down when you make a post and your posts might not show up in the thread until a few hours later.

I have no idea why that is but it's possible your computer has a virus. Do you have a spyware remover? Don't be alarmed by the name, it's just that as you surf the internet your computer system can pick up "viruses" that are called spyware and sometimes, these can slow your system way down. I have no idea if that's what's causing your problem but you could always try removing any spyware viruses to see if that helps.

If you don't have a spyware remover, you can download one for free here: Free Spyware Downloads

A repost from elsewhere that discusses a number of the themes that came up in this conversation. My point in sharing is to demonstrate that thoughts in this line can be common to a psychotic/schizophrenic experience. Just knowing that what you are experiencing is "normal" under the circumstances can be immensely relieving.


Overall, if you are feeling intensely fearful and your fear is related to elements such as the anti-christ or the devil, that can be common when a person's sense of identity fragments. Quite often, these same elements are encountered in dreams but in psychosis/schizphrenia, archetypal figures may invade your waking life as a result of your ego structure having fragmented.

When dealing with any fear that arises it may be helpful to try and assess whether or not it's a personal fear or a collective fear. When working to bring your fear levels down, it's probably going to be easiest to work on your personal fears first.

See also: Meeting Darkness on the Path (This article does a good job describing the different "layers" of fear such as personal, cultural and biological.)

This brief excerpt from the psychotic experience of a doctor may also offer some insight...


See also: Be Not Afraid of the Universe

spyware is not the problem. trust me on that my friend.

Apology...

It's my understanding that my use of words such as Anti-Christ, Satan, Devil, etc. in some of my posts and quotes has lead some community members at large to believe we are discussing Religion in the Schizophrenia topic as opposed to discussing schizophrenia, psychosis, fragmentation and psychotic content in the Schizophrenia topic.

My apologies if I offended any community members. I'll not speak of psychotic content on these boards again.

~ Namaste

ty for all help but this topic was not to be started. the fire in us all keeps us warm. just dont get burned from your own fire. this is not a topic. i see needs not brought up here. end this fighting or i will. what i stated was not ment to start here, it was an answere to somewhere else. STOP THE FIGHTING.on my birthday people are fighting, that is my curse, this ends now.NOW. one way or the other. end it. if you want to continue it then goto , the sights i was posting if this sight wants me to posts the address. i for once was going to goto somewhere that offered dinner and drinks.(i have nevere celeberated my birthday since i was 21, now I HAVE A PROBLEM HERE) ((((((((thanks for showing and telling my curse and death((((((((((.

See what I mean ? We are not allowed to talk about it even though its our fears ! If they dont like it why not stay away from here ?

no, not your faulty. my friend,, alwayays whan i talk oters get hurt. i willlllllls take this blazmeee .alll m eeeeeds at moine, tired ism am, ty fot forr mussic se quiieret thinnnnnngs it helped. gn

Tishie: If they dont like it why not stay away from here ?

Openly discussing psychotic experiences is a taboo subject in many circles. Those who have not had such experiences often find it frightening, don't know how to deal with the content that comes up or may misinterpret it entirely. Meanwhile, some of those who have had the experience found the course of events to be so distressing, they just want to put it behind them. Still others benefit from being able to speak openly about their experiences and in this way, come to an understanding of what happened to them, why, and how they can integrate those experiences and move on.

Ideally, they can do so in an environment with others who also understand. Sometimes this is best done privately. Alternatively, I've participated at other boards that restrict who can enter the schizophrenia topic precisely because not everyone will understand. Either way Tishie, you needn't fear that you'll find yourself cut off and alone, with no one else who can understand you. There are things that can be discussed here and there are things that can be discussed privately, or elsewhere.

~ Namaste

Thank you .....

I have a number of times expressed opposition to the ban against "religion" and "politics" on this site, because I think that in those topics one can find psychological understanding that is well worth exploring, and that one is deprived of those understandings if one cannot express them. I have not been greeted in those thoughts with open arms (or minds?).

However, there is a difference between being able to express thoughts here, in public, and being able to think about them. It is really the suppression of being able oneself to even think about them that is damaging. I find it possible at least to some extent to be able to think on these topics, even in the face of opposition to expressing thoughts here. It would be better to be able to express them openly, but not being able to is not an absolute barrier to being able to think about them.

Of course, my thoughts on the subject would be found by some to be highly upsetting...