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Hi, I have been Diagnosed as a "Schizoidtypol Eccentric".
I have an IQ of 148, and no known history of Schizophrania in my family. I am confused by what I have read. I am also not totally "Socially Avoidant" I do admit to being "Eccentric" I do admit to having a "Personal Perception of Reality" which does not comply with the "Social Normal Society". I also believe there is a difference between "Normality" and "Reality". To me "Normality" is what society dictates: education, job, home, marriage, 2.5 children, etc. "Reality" is what nature dictates: Mother Earth, the weather, basic needs of humanities existance, love and compassion for other living beings. I have found out after 5 nervous breakdowns that I can no longer survive on my own in "Normality" luckly I have a husband to take care of me. But I can survive just fine and am very happy and content living in "Reality". I also believe that all humans in the world should have rights: The right to have shelter, food, clothing, education and healthcare. If people are happy and healthy, the crime rate would be all most nil. And happy and healthy people are more productive people in society as a whole, which would better the world for all. No one should be a slave, or be mistreated by there fellow human. No one has the right to own the earth, we must all take care of her, or we will have no home and no future. My questions are: Why am I concidered so abnormal? What is so wrong with believing in a higher power (ei: God, etc.)? Why do 99.9 % of Therapist and Mental Health Professionals avoid people like me? Why did I have 3 Psychatists, breakdown on me during session? Don't most people believe in a higher power such as God, or believe in a Million Dollars, without ever having seen either? Why do some people seem to avoid me like I am contagious with the plague? Other questions I have: What does it matter how one dresses in society? Why do people lie? Why does greed have to exist in the world? Why can't they genetically alter the future by removing the greed and lying genes? Okay here is what I have found for information: Schizotypal Eccentric Schizotypal personality disorder, or simply schizotypal disorder, is a personality disorder that is characterized by a need for social isolation, odd behavior and thinking, and often unconventional beliefs. Causes Genetic Although listed in the DSM-IV-TR on Axis II, schizotypal personality disorder is widely understood to be a "schizophrenia spectrum" disorder. Rates of schizotypal PD are much higher in relatives of individuals with schizophrenia than in the relatives of people with other mental illnesses or in people without mentally ill relatives. Technically speaking, schizotypal PD is an "extended phenotype" that helps geneticists track the familial or genetic transmission of the genes that are implicated in schizophreniaHYPERLINK \l "cite_note-0"[1] There are dozens of studies showing that individuals with schizotypal PD score similar to individuals with schizophrenia on a very wide range of neuropsychological tests. Cognitive deficits (Cognitive deficit is an inclusive term to describe any characteristic that acts as a barrier to cognitive performance. The term may describe deficits in global intellectual performance, such as mental retardation, it may describe specific deficits in cognitive abilities (learning disorders, dyslexia), or it may describe drug-induced cognitive/memory impairment, such as that seen with alcohol and the benzodiazepines. Cognitive deficits may be congenital or caused by environmental factors such as brain injuries, neurological disorders, or mental illness. Cognitive deficit is an inclusive term to describe any characteristic that acts as a barrier to cognitive performance. The term may describe deficits in global intellectual performance, such as mental retardation, it may describe specific deficits in cognitive abilities (learning disorders, dyslexia), or it may describe drug-induced cognitive/memory impairment, such as that seen with alcohol and the benzodiazepines. Cognitive deficits may be congenital or caused by environmental factors such as brain injuries, neurological disorders, or mental illness. ) in patients with schizotypal PD are very similar to, but somewhat milder than, those for patients with schizophrenia. Social / Environmental People with schizotypal PD, like patients with schizophrenia, may be quite sensitive to interpersonal criticism and hostility, and there is now evidence to suggest that parenting styles, early separation, and early childhood neglect can lead to the development of schizotypal traits. Diagnosis World Health Organization The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists schizotypal personality disorder as (FHYPERLINK "http://apps.who.int/classifications/apps/icd/icd10online/?gf20.htm+f21"21.) Schizotypal disorder. (Note that in ICD-10, Schizotypal disorder is classified as a mental disorder associated with schizophrenia rather than a personality disorder as with DSM-IV. The DSM-IV designation of schizotypal as a personality disorder is controversial.) It is characterized as: A disorder characterized by eccentric behaviour and anomalies of thinking and affect which resemble those seen in schizophrenia, though no definite and characteristic schizophrenic anomalies have occurred at any stage. There is no dominant or typical disturbance, but any of the following may be present: Inappropriate or constricted affect (the individual appears cold and aloof); Behaviour or appearance that is odd, eccentric, or peculiar; Poor rapport with others and a tendency to social withdrawal; Odd beliefs or magical thinking,Magical thinking is causal reasoning that looks for correlation between acts or utterances and certain events. In religion, folk religion and superstition, the correlation posited is between religious ritual, such as prayer, sacrifice or the observance of a taboo, and an expected benefit or recompense. In clinical psychology, magical thinking is a condition that causes the patient to experience irrational fear of performing certain acts or having certain thoughts because they assume a correlation with their acts and threatening calamities. Magical thinking includes all systems of magic, as it includes the idea of mental causation, i.e. the possibility of the mind having an effect on the physical world directly. In Jungian psychology, magical thinking is described in terms of synchronicity, an approach that looks not for causality but for meaning in the co-occurrence of certain events. "Quasi-magical thinking" describes "cases in which people act as if they erroneously believe that their action influences the outcome, even though they do not really hold that belief". influencing behaviour and inconsistent with subcultural norms; In sociology, anthropology and cultural studies, a subculture is a group of people with a culture (whether distinct or hidden) which differentiates them from the larger culture to which they belong, for example, if a particular subculture is characterized by a systematic opposition to the dominant culture, it may be described as a counterculture. Suspiciousness or paranoid ideas; Obsessive ruminations without inner resistance, often with dysmorphophobic, sexual or aggressive contents; Unusual perceptual experiences including somatosensory (bodily) or other illusions, depersonalization or derealization; Vague, circumstantial, metaphorical, overelaborate, or stereotyped thinking, manifested by odd speech or in other ways, without gross incoherence; Occasional transient quasi-psychotic episodes with intense illusions, auditory or other hallucinations, and delusion-like ideas, usually occurring without external provocation. The disorder runs a chronic course with fluctuations of intensity. Occasionally it evolves into overt schizophrenia. There is no definite onset and its evolution and course are usually those of a personality disorder. It is more common in individuals related to schizophrenics and is believed to be part of the genetic "spectrum" of schizophrenia. Diagnostic Guidelines This diagnostic rubric is not recommended for general use because it is not clearly demarcated either from simple schizophrenia or from schizoid or paranoid personality disorders. If the term is used, three or four of the typical features listed above should have been present, continuously or episodically, for at least 2 years. The individual must never have met criteria for schizophrenia itself. A history of schizophrenia in a first-degree relative gives additional weight to the diagnosis but is not a prerequisite. includes borderline schizophrenia latent schizophrenia latent schizophrenic reaction prepsychotic schizophrenia prodromal schizophrenia pseudoneurotic schizophrenia pseudopsychopathic schizophrenia schizotypal personality disorder Excludes Asperger's syndrome schizoid personality disorder Millon's subtypes Theodore Millon identified two subtypes of schizotypal. Any individual schizotypal may exhibit none or one of the following: insipid schizotypal - a structural exaggeration of the passive-detached pattern. They include schizoid, depressive, dependent features. timorous schizotypal - a structural exaggeration of the active-detached pattern. They include avoidant, negativistic (passive-aggressive) features. Differential diagnosis There is a high rate of comorbidity with other personality disorders. McGlashan et al. (2000) stated that this may be due to overlapping criteria with other personality disorders, such as avoidant personality disorder, paranoid personality disorder and borderline personality disorder.[8] There are many similarities between the schizotypal and schizoid personalities. Most notable of the similarities is the inability to initiate or maintain relationships (both friendly and romantic). The difference between the two seems to be that those labeled as schizotypal avoid social interaction because of a deep-seated fear of people. The schizoid individuals simply feel no desire to form relationships, because they simply see no point in sharing their time with others. Prevalence (epidemiology) Schizotypal personality disorder occurs in 3% of the general population and occurs slightly more commonly in males.[9] History The specific term schizotype was coined by Sandor Rado in 1956 as an abbreviation of schizophrenic phenotype[6]. See also DSM-IV codes (personality disorders) ICD-10 codes (personality disorders) Paranoid personality disorder Schizoid personality disorder Schizophrenia Schizotypy References ^ Fogelson, D.L., Nuechterlein, K.H., Asarnow, R.F., et al., (2007). Avoidant personality disorder is a separable schizophrenia-spectrum personality disorder even when controlling for the presence of paranoid and schizotypal personality disorders: The UCLA family study. Schizophrenia Research, 91, 192-199. ^ Matsui, M., Sumiyoshi, T., Kato, K., et al., (2004). Neuropsychological profile in patients with schizotypal personality disorder or schizophrenia. Psychological Reports, 94(2), 387-397. ^ Deidre M. Anglina, Patricia R. Cohenab, Henian Chena (2008) Duration of early maternal separation and prediction of schizotypal symptoms from early adolescence to midlife, Schizophrenia Research Volume 103, Issue 1, Pages 143-150 (August 2008) ^ Howard Berenbaum, Ph.D., Eve M. Valera, Ph.D. and John G. Kerns, Ph.D. (2003) Psychological Trauma and Schizotypal Symptoms, Oxford Journals, Medicine, Schizophrenia Bulletin Volume 29, Number 1 Pp. 143-152 ^ Schizotypal personality disorder - International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems 10th Revision (ICD-10) ^ a b Millon, Theodore, Personality Disorders in Modern Life, 2004 ^ Millon, Theodore - Personality Subtypes ^ McGlashan, T.H., Grilo, C.M., Skodol, A.E., Gunderson, J.G., Shea, M.T., Morey, L.C., et al. (2000). The collaborative longitudinal personality disorders study: Baseline axis I/II and II/II diagnostic co-occurrence. Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavica, 102, 256-264. ^ Internet Mental Health - schizotypal personality disorder External links ICD-10 diagnostic criteria for Schizotypal Disorder. Link collection for resources on Schizotypal Disorder. Video lecture by Stanford professor Robert Sapolsky on schizotypal personality and "metamagical thinking". __________________ If you believe you need no explaination, if you don't believe no explaination is possible - I.Newton http://solitarysage.psychcentral.net...ing/#comment-2 |
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Hello, LostSavant. I wish I knew how to answer your questions. Sorry.
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It sounds like a lot of your questions have to do with what you think other people are thinking. When you ask, "Why am I considered so abnormal?" I want to ask what you mean by "so" and who is considering you that way and what "abnormal" means to you? Since it is about you and you are the only expert on yourself, you get to decide what is good for you or not. If therapists don't seem to help you, I wouldn't work with them; it sounds like your husband's care is great and what you want?
I don't know anyone who considers belief in God to be abnormal or wrong or strange, etc. so I'm not sure what you are asking about there. Unfortunately, it can be easy to get tangled up when thinking of vague, abstract concepts like "society". To me, society is just those people with whom I deal directly. I don't "care" about people I don't know and won't meet in any very personal way. Yes, I give to charities to help people all over the world but I don't watch the news much, for example, or read magazines, because there's not a whole lot I feel I can do or be productive about in relation to politics or natural disasters, etc. I vote but am more interested in my local politicians than larger state, or national ones. I educate myself on things as I am confronted by them; I see no point in "worrying" about cancer or anything that might happen in the future because I can't tell the future. So, my society is those around me in my own little world and I do try to adapt myself to what they are interested in and care about as I live with them and it makes life easier? If they do or do not want to talk about God I adjust to that, noting their reactions as I mention several subjects of interest to me. Someone I don't know or care about suggesting I should work or eat more eggs or peanut butter or give more money to this or that charity, etc. get ignored because they are not part of my world. I don't think in terms of broad questions like, "Why do people lie" because I do not consider myself a liar and don't generally associate with those whom I do consider liars. But if I think someone is lying, I wonder about the specific person and the specific lie and how they go together rather than making things so general. I don't believe people in general "lie" but I have so many issues with the generalities of "people" (who are they?) and even what constitutes a "lie" and why it would matter why, what that would "solve" for me. I keep things as personal as I can to myself because I'm the only one here, in this body/life and believe I have the life task of being the best "Me" I can be. __________________ "Never give a sword to a man who can't dance." ~Confucius |
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What happened during the sessions that the therapists broke down? Not specifics of course, but in general. I don't know why a belief in a higher power would be abnormal.
I was in group therapy with a councelor that broke down. It was a bad situation, as they suddenly told us that we had been in therapy too long, and they were breaking up our group. We were very upset. Then they began in the counceling sessions individually to see why we weren't advancing and getting better as fast as they would like and started doing personality tests, and blaming it on hard to treat personality disorders, when it was just bad counceling gone horribly awry. If the Therapists can't take it when they care for those in need, they need another profession. I don't know you. I can't tell you why you are considered abnormal. People do put a lot of emphasis on what they wear as to is it normal or not. Same for social expression. You deserve a professional psychiatrist and therapist who is well educated on such personality disorders. They avoid because it's hard to treat personality disorders, that is what I was told. You put a lot of information out there, thank you. One of the things I looked at with this disorder said something about belief in the paranormal, I haven't seen that any where since that article I read. I guess this is partly what they mean by magical thinking. But shouldn't include people with pagan or wiccan beliefs, as that is saying your choice of religion makes you abnormal and that's just not fair. |
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i can relate to most of what your saying in as far you has asking questions that no-one can give a you definitive answer too, dont let your intelligence fool you into thinking that there are answers to every question you ask out there. some things just "are" no explanations or answers can or will be proffered that can be proved either way that will satisfy your curiosity they only present more unanswerable questions.
let me guess, your probably running rings around the medical professionals so have already classed them has a waste of time and money but feel compelled to go back with the same questions only worded differently and still they dont get what your asking of them? under other questions i have, 1 perceived peer pressure, 2 unanswerable question (see above), 3 survival of the fittest/ human nature , 4 law forbids it. __________________ "The journey is one in which hope alternates with despair, reality with illusion, promise with denial, mental trial with mood swung elation, and a sniff of immortality with its ravaged counterpart; the awareness of bodily death" William Beckford's Vatrek. Circa 1786 |
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Doc: How can I help you? Me: I dont think you can. Doc: Why? Me: Because you cant change the way normal society thinks. When reality is so obvious, but normality is what society dictates us to live by. Doc: hmm, what is reality to you? Me: Reality is what happens when we go with the flow of things, such as nature, animals sleep when tired, eat when hungry, etc. Doc: True, and humans want to control their environment around them. Me: And humans can not always control what happens to them. Doc: Well, My wife was raped and murdered, than my father was deprogrammed after becoming retired from military intelligence....(doc starts sobbing...than becomes uncontolled weeping and shaking) -----I call receptionist, she calls ambulance....Doctor goes to hospital...etc. Basically same thing, just different stories....maybe I have an aura that says feel free to dump on me....:*) who knows __________________ If you believe you need no explaination, if you don't believe no explaination is possible - I.Newton http://solitarysage.psychcentral.net...ing/#comment-2 |
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I too have done that with T's... They are human too... and many are more fragile than the clients they treat. You offered a very real "reality"... they responded by being real... they landed inpatient.
Questions: My questions are: Why am I concidered so abnormal? Because if you were normal they can't bill, they will be out of a job. What is so wrong with believing in a higher power (ei: God, etc.)? Nuthin' Why do 99.9 % of Therapist and Mental Health Professionals avoid people like me? Because they can't just write off what you are saying, they have to re-evaluate their beliefs... they don't like it. Why did I have 3 Psychatists, breakdown on me during session? Don't most people believe in a higher power such as God, or believe in a Million Dollars, without ever having seen either? Most of us have seen a million dollars... one dollar at at time, just as most of us have seen God, one person at a time. Why do some people seem to avoid me like I am contagious with the plague? If you were contagious the world might be in many ways a better place. truly open minded people are very scary to the closed minded. Other questions I have: What does it matter how one dresses in society? As long as you ARE dressed (or in your home or nudist camp) it shouldn't. Why do people lie? Why does greed have to exist in the world? Why can't they genetically alter the future by removing the greed and lying genes? Because the greedy lying B******* are the ones running things. I know that my answers may sound flippant, they are not intended that way. Your questions are things I have, and continued to stew over for years. In years past we would be respected philosophers... in this day and age we are a page in DSM... go figure! __________________ There’s been many a crooked path that has landed me here Tired, broken and wearing rags Wild eyed with fear -Blackmoores Night |
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Thank you so much for your input ....You definietly put a smile on my face and have lifted my heart. ![]() ![]() ![]() __________________ If you believe you need no explaination, if you don't believe no explaination is possible - I.Newton http://solitarysage.psychcentral.net...ing/#comment-2 |
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We expect more from our T's, they need to be stronger than us, set boundries, one of them being, I don't here what is going on with them emotionally and mentally at home. We are not the T's, They are, for crying out loud. You can talk to me anytime. I have questions and you have questions. Maybe theres an answer. PM me. I messaged you. |
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