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Default Feb 28, 2014 at 02:50 AM
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I've had my problems with an addiction to this. When I'm bored, I tend to delve into my fantasies, and there's only way I can deal with it, and this has many times made me miss work, or ignore/avoid people and priorities. When I have nothing much to do, i like to do it. I'm kind of embarrassed of saying this, but I don't 'climax', I withhold it for as long as possible, so I can be aroused four hours on end, sometimes it causes me to ache in the belly. When I do 'climax' it feels great initially, but after, I feel horrible, filled with regret and shame and guilt. I do this all in secret, nobody knows this, to them, I look like a saint. I feel like I'm fooling them too, which adds to the guilt.

I masturbate on average once a day at least, and on sundays I'd say 2 to 4 times? When nobody is around, I like to be aroused whole day. Even if i don't masterbate, i'd say i'd try to arouse myself for at least a few hours when I can't. I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL.

I had some striking hair loss recently, after my masturbaton has been at an all time high, I went to the doc, and all the tests they did came out just fine, He couldn't find a reason, he gave me some pills that inhibit DHT production. He asked me if I work out, I don't. Then as a 'final straw' after he exhausted everything else, I guess, he said "Do you masturbate often?", being as embarrassed as I am, I said i don't, but then he said something about masturbation producing testosterone, which produces DHT, which COULD cause hair loss, the key word he said is "COULD". This stuck me, because I can't find a reason myself.

My own experience is that I do see more hair lost when I shower after masturbation. Maybe it's just me, but Could there be a connection? Maybe because I'm doing it way too often for my own good? I know there are no studies about this, but is there a connection between increased DHT or hair loss and masturbation? I'm sorry if this is a silly question.

I have had the chance of having real sex, but I'm just not interested in it? I'm not sure why, but masturbation is a real huge need for me? how do I control my 'horniness'?

I am EXTREMELY 'horny' (sorry of all these terms I'm using) from around 3 AM to 7 AM, I get up, hard, aroused, sleep deprived and with an irresistable urge to masturbate. I'm almost a different person around this time period. It is the time of the day when I do things I end up regretting.

Please help me What am I doing to my body? Is delaying the 'climax' for too long bad?
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Again, apologies for the terms I used, please ask me anything, I'll answer.
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Well, I don't really know too much about this. Evidently in men, excessive (whatever that means) masturbation can cause a rise in testosterone with a corresponding rise in DHT. But, the genetics have to be there for this to happen so ...

The thing to do would be to try Propecia ( Finasteride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) If it is from a build-up of DHT, then Propecia would stop the hair loss.

The thing to keep in mind though is that if it really is masturbation causing DHT buildup, then the genetics for hair loss were already there and just accelerated by that DHT increase. It is/was going to happen anyway. If the Propecia doesn't have any effect, then it's not DHT.

Did the doctor consider something as simple as stress? How are your stress levels? That can cause hair loss as well.
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Creatine Monohydrate also been linked to high DHT production.

OP my opinion, but you masturbate way too often. Try to limit it to no more then twice a week and ideally once a fortnight.
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Well, I don't really know too much about this. Evidently in men, excessive (whatever that means) masturbation can cause a rise in testosterone with a corresponding rise in DHT. But, the genetics have to be there for this to happen so ...

The thing to do would be to try Propecia ( Finasteride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) If it is from a build-up of DHT, then Propecia would stop the hair loss.

The thing to keep in mind though is that if it really is masturbation causing DHT buildup, then the genetics for hair loss were already there and just accelerated by that DHT increase. It is/was going to happen anyway. If the Propecia doesn't have any effect, then it's not DHT.

Did the doctor consider something as simple as stress? How are your stress levels? That can cause hair loss as well.
He did ask me If I'm always stressed out, and I said I do, so he knows it. He gave minoxidil that I have to apply to my head everyday? Does that work like Propecia too? He also gave me grape seed extract to inhibit DHT.

My hair loss has been pretty sudden. I'm not going bald, but I don't want to. It's worrying. It's a nightmare to me, especially since hair is essential to me.

Thank you very much for responding, I would also take only this hair loss issue to a more appropriate sub section on psych central, if someone could guide me, it'd be great.
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Creatine Monohydrate also been linked to high DHT production.

OP my opinion, but you masturbate way too often. Try to limit it to no more then twice a week and ideally once a fortnight.
I'm glad I don't take that, then.

I gotta ask, Is delaying 'cliimaxing' for too long, bad? After I do climax, it does kinda hurt sometimes....
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I'm glad I don't take that, then.

I gotta ask, Is delaying 'cliimaxing' for too long, bad? After I do climax, it does kinda hurt sometimes....
Yes I would think it is bad. Because you're doing this to hold onto fantasy for as long as possible. Where you're masturbating for hours on end you will kill ( if you haven't already) the sensitivity to your penis and sex with a woman will not feel anywhere near as good. I recommend you get a fleshlight and avoid using your hands, but limit the use. Don't masturbate every day.
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Thank you, is there anyway i can control my thoughts?
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Well since you are on a mental health forum and do not report having cancer,, the first question to you is what medications you take. Depakote, e.g., causes hair loss in many people. Geodon does, to a lesser extent. List your medications and for each, read abouts the side effects it causes on rxlist. I am surprised the GP didn't do that. Do you have a pdoc? If you have a pdoc, and are taking psych meds which are known to cause a wide variety of side effects, some common, such as weight gain, and some rare, such as weight loss, then if you experience a sudden anything, your first response should be to report it to the pdoc, not GP. Whoever prescribes most of your meds, be it an endocrinologist, neurologist, or pdoc should be the first person to learn of any unusual changes.

ok, so assuming that it is not a medication side effect, the next step is to clear up your mind, which currently is very seriously messed up. E.g. that talk about other people thinking that you are a saint and that your guilt increases from your realizing that you are fooling them - all of that should go down the drain ASAP. Given your habits, you should, for now, regard them all as a neutral activity you choose to engage in in your private time. Since you do not owe others reports on what you do with your private time, other people have no right to create any sort of expectation of what you choose to do in your private time, from picking your nose to running a marathon, you cannot, by definition, disappoint and much less fool them.

masturbation used to be considered highly harmful to men, and men used to be believed, by the medical community back then, to have a syrictly rationed lifetime supply of semen. All sorts of things, not excluding adolescent acne, used to e attributed to masturbation, but later such connections were disproved. It is unclear whether the hair loss connection is one of those scary tales given the current revived attention to masturbation or has some basis in solid science. You may simply, as Webgoji mentioned, have inherited the genes of early baldness. How are or were your male relatives in that department is another relevant question your GP forgot to ask...

Re controlling your thoughts - before you attempt to control your fantasy life, which is difficult, you should clear up your irrational beliefs (see above), which should be easy. Once you are free from the feelings of shame, guilt, and being out of control, you will be a much stronger and more grounded man who would then be able to say to himself: "boy, it feels good but I better call it a day for now because I need to leave for an appointment I can't miss. That is ok, as there will be another time."

Also, you might be feeling some rush from living what you believe is a double life. Once you realize that you don't and once you take your habits off their twisted pedestal and onto the ground of fairly mundane things you do, you migjt feel less compulsion in the absence of that extra rush.

Finally, try using the time you spend being aroused but not physically masturbating by using something creative or productive. Channel the energy, so to speak.
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Default Feb 28, 2014 at 10:18 AM
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He did ask me If I'm always stressed out, and I said I do, so he knows it. He gave minoxidil that I have to apply to my head everyday? Does that work like Propecia too? He also gave me grape seed extract to inhibit DHT.

My hair loss has been pretty sudden. I'm not going bald, but I don't want to. It's worrying. It's a nightmare to me, especially since hair is essential to me.

Thank you very much for responding, I would also take only this hair loss issue to a more appropriate sub section on psych central, if someone could guide me, it'd be great.
Minoxidil works via different mechanism. It's a vasodilator which means it increases blood flow. It contains nitric oxide to dilate your blood vessels.

Procecia works by blocking the DHT so they have different mechanisms.
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The only advice I would say is never lie to your doctor. Why bother asking random strangers on the internet about your problems if you can't even address them to someone who's EXPERIENCED and QUALIFIED to help you?
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Well since you are on a mental health forum and do not report having cancer,, the first question to you is what medications you take. Depakote, e.g., causes hair loss in many people. Geodon does, to a lesser extent. List your medications and for each, read abouts the side effects it causes on rxlist. I am surprised the GP didn't do that. Do you have a pdoc? If you have a pdoc, and are taking psych meds which are known to cause a wide variety of side effects, some common, such as weight gain, and some rare, such as weight loss, then if you experience a sudden anything, your first response should be to report it to the pdoc, not GP. Whoever prescribes most of your meds, be it an endocrinologist, neurologist, or pdoc should be the first person to learn of any unusual changes.

ok, so assuming that it is not a medication side effect, the next step is to clear up your mind, which currently is very seriously messed up. E.g. that talk about other people thinking that you are a saint and that your guilt increases from your realizing that you are fooling them - all of that should go down the drain ASAP. Given your habits, you should, for now, regard them all as a neutral activity you choose to engage in in your private time. Since you do not owe others reports on what you do with your private time, other people have no right to create any sort of expectation of what you choose to do in your private time, from picking your nose to running a marathon, you cannot, by definition, disappoint and much less fool them.

masturbation used to be considered highly harmful to men, and men used to be believed, by the medical community back then, to have a syrictly rationed lifetime supply of semen. All sorts of things, not excluding adolescent acne, used to e attributed to masturbation, but later such connections were disproved. It is unclear whether the hair loss connection is one of those scary tales given the current revived attention to masturbation or has some basis in solid science. You may simply, as Webgoji mentioned, have inherited the genes of early baldness. How are or were your male relatives in that department is another relevant question your GP forgot to ask...

Re controlling your thoughts - before you attempt to control your fantasy life, which is difficult, you should clear up your irrational beliefs (see above), which should be easy. Once you are free from the feelings of shame, guilt, and being out of control, you will be a much stronger and more grounded man who would then be able to say to himself: "boy, it feels good but I better call it a day for now because I need to leave for an appointment I can't miss. That is ok, as there will be another time."

Also, you might be feeling some rush from living what you believe is a double life. Once you realize that you don't and once you take your habits off their twisted pedestal and onto the ground of fairly mundane things you do, you migjt feel less compulsion in the absence of that extra rush.

Finally, try using the time you spend being aroused but not physically masturbating by using something creative or productive. Channel the energy, so to speak.
First of all, thank you for responding.

I am not on any other meds. I did goto an endocrinologist, the tests came out normal. The minoxidil was prescribed to me by a trichologist, actually, it was him that suggested I get all these other tests done first, and they came out fine. He did ask me about any history of baldness in my family tree. He did ask me if i was on meds. There hasn't really been any sudden change I can think of.

I have this to say, I've had my mental health issues since I was a kid, my parents well, every time I tried to hint to them that I may have problems, or that I needed help, they just liked to convince me it was just an attitude problem, and that I need to 'mature' or something. "You're a perfectly normal kid" is what my mother said. I'm only now starting to live independently, I don't want to blame them, I'd like to work on my issues from now.

My mind is pretty messed up, my thoughts and worries overwhelm me often. and this hair loss thing has only added to my woes. I've always been reclusive, but it's at an all time high now.

As for the guilt I feel, I have no idea what others do in their private time, and there's really no way of knowing, or asking. I get this false impression that they probably don't do it. I feel ashamed of myself sometimes. when I'm pleasuring myself, I'd like to think I'm 'someone else', In my fantasies I'm not 'me'.

Is there a way to 'channel the energy' so as to speak? I'll try....
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Read this forum for two months. You will get enough of a glimpse into the private lives of others. And be patient with yourself as you are just striking out on your own for the first time.

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There is really nothing I can say. I'm not perfect, maybe it was unwise of me. It was hard enough for me to seek help in the first place.

I could go tell him next time I meet him, I have to go there every week for now, and it's only been 2 or 3. I went through every other test he wanted, answered all other questions as best as I can. As stressful as it was.
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There is really nothing I can say. I'm not perfect, maybe it was unwise of me. It was hard enough for me to seek help in the first place.

I could go tell him next time I meet him, I have to go there every week for now, and it's only been 2 or 3. I went through every other test he wanted, answered all other questions as best as I can. As stressful as it was.
Don't worry about it. It's a really embarrassing subject especially with someone like a doctor. They'll ask a dumb question like "Why?" ... "Well if I knew that I wouldn't be here!"

But yeah, it's something you should probably bring out and I would suggest a therapist if you can make that happen. Just someone to help you get a handle on your stress and other problems.
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You should always remember who is paying whom. The thing that often screws up patient/dr relationship is forgetting that the dr is a service provider whom you have hired to help you, and not an authority figure. Beating yourself up over being unwise is not effective, but remembering that you, or the insurance to which you pay a premium, pay the guy would place you on a firm ground in all your further dealings with him. Remember also that doctors, in general and with some notable exveptions, notoriously illiterate in most things sexual. They can prescribe Viagra at the first mention of ED, and as a result, viagra is overprescribed. Outside of Viagra, most of them lack education and training to address sexual matters.

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I'm glad I don't take that, then.

I gotta ask, Is delaying 'cliimaxing' for too long, bad? After I do climax, it does kinda hurt sometimes....
No...It's called orgasm control (edging) and it can be good for you (differing opinion alert).
It can give you a sense of euphoria that you don't normally get. It also can help you last longer when with a partner.....because you are actually "learning" control.

As far as hair loss, no you would not have increased hair loss immediately after ANY activity...there simply is physiologically not enough time.

Also I think you may have misunderstood your doctor (masturbation=bad)....it's entirely possible that what he was saying (and this is just how I would take it so it's pure conjecture on my part) was that higher testosterone levels can result in baldness (it can)...and he was merely asking if you had a high libido.
Just something to consider.....

There is propecia (I believe rx required, someone correct me if I'm wrong) It may affect your libido.
And, as mentioned minoxidil (Rogaine)

Masturbation does not cause hair loss.

There is a libido/hair loss connection......but if it's preferable to you to have a lower libido, then that's a whole other debate that you have to have with yourself.....and it would involve messing with your hormones.

Speaking from a woman's perspective and my own personal opinion....bald is a good thing.

ETA.....NO GUILT....Repeat NO GUILT..... if it's all consensual either between you and you or you and another adult WHO IS ABLE TO GIVE CONSENT....

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Speaking from a woman's perspective and my own personal opinion....bald is a good thing.
Ha! See!? Girls really do like bald guys!

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Chronic masturbation will destroy the sensitivity of your penis so much that you'll be incapable of maintaining an erection with a woman.
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Chronic masturbation will destroy the sensitivity of your penis so much that you'll be incapable of maintaining an erection with a woman.
If this is in response to me, I did not ask for your opinion.

If this is an addition to your response to the OP, if your edit button is not longer working, perhaps you might want to use the quote button for clarification...
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