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Default Dec 17, 2015 at 10:09 PM
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Would a questionnaire like this describe every possibility of M/F?

Chromosomes? M/F
Genitalia? M/F/mixture
Attraction? M/F/both/neither
Personality? M/F/mixture
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Default Dec 18, 2015 at 07:23 AM
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I don't believe so. I don't believe that how someone identifies has anything to do with chromosomes, genitalia, attraction or their personality, but with how they personally see themselves. I think this probably is hard-wired into their brain to be honest.

For example, I'm pretty easy. I have all the chromosomes, physical parts, am heterosexual, have a masculine personality. But that doesn't make me male. I identify as male which I believe makes me a male.

Now take a friend of mine. He had male chromosomes, physical parts, was fiercely heterosexual, but had a very feminine personality. He identified as male, but because of his very feminine personality, dress, etc, it confused many people. It wasn't even that he was a lesbian trapped in a man's body, he just really liked women and all their aspects.

A great popular culture example though is Liz Taylor on American Horror Story. She has male chromosomes, male body parts, is heterosexual (I'll explain) and has a feminine personality. However! She identifies as female. In her heart of hearts, she isn't a man, but is a straight woman. Therefore her attraction to men isn't homosexual, it's actually heterosexual which can be confusing if you don't take into account how she feels about her own gender.

Gender is really a very individual and internal issue.

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I don't believe so. I don't believe that how someone identifies has anything to do with chromosomes, genitalia, attraction or their personality, but with how they personally see themselves. I think this probably is hard-wired into their brain to be honest.

For example, I'm pretty easy. I have all the chromosomes, physical parts, am heterosexual, have a masculine personality. But that doesn't make me male. I identify as male which I believe makes me a male.

Now take a friend of mine. He had male chromosomes, physical parts, was fiercely heterosexual, but had a very feminine personality. He identified as male, but because of his very feminine personality, dress, etc, it confused many people. It wasn't even that he was a lesbian trapped in a man's body, he just really liked women and all their aspects.

A great popular culture example though is Liz Taylor on American Horror Story. She has male chromosomes, male body parts, is heterosexual (I'll explain) and has a feminine personality. However! She identifies as female. In her heart of hearts, she isn't a man, but is a straight woman. Therefore her attraction to men isn't homosexual, it's actually heterosexual which can be confusing if you don't take into account how she feels about her own gender.

Gender is really a very individual and internal issue.
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I forgot to mention cross-dressers. Many men enjoy the female social role on a part-time basis. So was your friend a cross-dresser or did he wear effeminate clothing full-time? How effeminate was his clothing?

My personality is in-between male and female. I don't particularly like the things that males normally like such as working on cars, rowdy behavior, etc. For example, last night I wasted time watching youtube videos of Fred Astaire tap dancing. If I thought I could get away with it, I would wear a silk scarf, a wide-brimmed hat, a cape, high-heeled shoes, etc. I would fit right in with the 1970s rock stars. Instead I wear blue jeans and a T-shirt most of the time. LOL Part of me doesn't care what I wear, but part of me fantasizes about dressing however I want to dress.

I suspect I never had as much testosterone as most males. I have small hands, a small head, small feet, and my healthy weight was only 135 lbs for 5 ft 8 in. Now I weigh a bit more, because I'm middle-aged and flabby. Growing-up, my little sister was always stronger than me. My older brother was built like Popeye and never could pass a mud puddle without taking a swim (in the mud). In his prime, he looked almost like a body builder - even though he never exercised, and he was even stronger than he looked.
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Default Dec 21, 2015 at 07:33 AM
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I forgot to mention cross-dressers. Many men enjoy the female social role on a part-time basis. So was your friend a cross-dresser or did he wear effeminate clothing full-time? How effeminate was his clothing?
Most of the time you would say he was impeccably dressed. His hair though was done with a style typically seen on women, brushed back and high, he got manicures and such. He always wore scarves (never a hat because it would mess up his hair) and slacks, etc. His style these days could almost be called metrosexual. And it was all the time. Light flowing shirts that you would swear were blouses, boots with heels, etc.

He also tended to get along much better with women than men. He was far more interested in "typical" female things like romance movies and shopping (I'm stereotyping here) and really didn't like fast cars and boxing. Although he really loved football. Interesting character quirk.

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My personality is in-between male and female. I don't particularly like the things that males normally like such as working on cars, rowdy behavior, etc. For example, last night I wasted time watching youtube videos of Fred Astaire tap dancing. If I thought I could get away with it, I would wear a silk scarf, a wide-brimmed hat, a cape, high-heeled shoes, etc. I would fit right in with the 1970s rock stars. Instead I wear blue jeans and a T-shirt most of the time. LOL Part of me doesn't care what I wear, but part of me fantasizes about dressing however I want to dress.
Another friend of mine was a big fan of the like of Fred Astaire and all of those older movie stars. (Let's get serious, I like Godzilla so there's nothing weird about enjoying Fred Astaire ) Whenever he got a chance he would dress much the same way you're describing and always had a wide-brimmed hat anyway (never a cape though ...). But then he actually built his car out of the parts of two different cars. Actually cut two cars in half and welded the frames together, etc.

So our personal tastes really are just that. If you're into the stereotypical "guy" stuff like drag racing and weightlifting, then it's cool. If you're not, then it's actually pretty awesome. The world would be boring if we didn't have people like yourself stretching our interests. And if it's your style, then enjoy it. Nothing says you have to be a t-shirt and jeans kind of guy.

I suspect there's nothing better than being who your are without concern about fitting into a television stereotype.

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I suspect I never had as much testosterone as most males. I have small hands, a small head, small feet, and my healthy weight was only 135 lbs for 5 ft 8 in. Now I weigh a bit more, because I'm middle-aged and flabby. Growing-up, my little sister was always stronger than me. My older brother was built like Popeye and never could pass a mud puddle without taking a swim (in the mud). In his prime, he looked almost like a body builder - even though he never exercised, and he was even stronger than he looked.
You sound like your build is exactly like mine. Literally I'm 5'8" and most of my life I hovered around 135 lbs until I hit my 30's. Even when I was powerlifting I was right at 132.

But that said. Strength isn't how much weight you can move or how fast your car is or how far you can throw a football. Strength lies in your heart, how you can lift others up and make them feel good about themselves and help them reach for their stars as you reach yours. That's strength. Everything else is just meat that will even decay and rot.

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Would a questionnaire like this describe every possibility of M/F?

Chromosomes? M/F
Genitalia? M/F/mixture
Attraction? M/F/both/neither
Personality? M/F/mixture
This doesn't take genderqueer, genderfluid or genderf*** into consideration, or was that purposely left out since you're describing every possibility of Male & Female only? I'd definitely add "All" to attraction and possibly omit "both". I don't ID as only being attracted to male and female people, I ID as pansexual because it is more inclusive than bisexual.

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This doesn't take genderqueer, genderfluid or genderf*** into consideration, or was that purposely left out since you're describing every possibility of Male & Female only? I'd definitely add "All" to attraction and possibly omit "both". I don't ID as only being attracted to male and female people, I ID as pansexual because it is more inclusive than bisexual.
So when you say "all" and "pansexual" as opposed to "bisexual", can you give some examples? I know that a person's body might have a combination of male and female features. Maybe that is that the body-type that "pansexual" adds over "bisexual"?
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So when you say "all" and "pansexual" as opposed to "bisexual", can you give some examples? I know that a person's body might have a combination of male and female features. Maybe that is that the body-type that "pansexual" adds over "bisexual"?
bisexual implies two - male and female. Pansexual is inclusive of those who do not claim a particular gender, such as genderqueer or genderf***. There's not a specific body type, I typically don't see the genitalia of someone until I'm much further along than simply "attraction" in the relationship. Physical sex is not the same as gender, and has nothing to do with it in many cases.

Like you say "male" and "female" personality. What does that mean? Do you mean stereotypical likes and dislikes associated with men or with women in modern American society? What particular culture are you talking about? Time period? If you told me you have a "male personality" or "female personality" I would have no idea what you meant beyond stereotypes.

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When it comes to the body there is a very clear cut, obvious dichotomy. However, when it comes to the mind, the possibilities are endless. When it comes to personality, it is difficult to define male and female in two separate categories of personality just because there is a lot of person to person variation in all things, not just sexual orientation. However, chromosomes and genitalia are clear cut as one or the other though, although there may be exceptions to that in some cases (e.g. if someone is transgender).
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