Zoophilia

Rubyx · Feb 19, 2016 at 10:30 AM

I'm more attracted to animals than humans. I've had sex with plenty of people, so it's not "I don't get enough" or something. Humans are also just animals. Why is it viewed as wrong?

Webgoji · Feb 19, 2016 at 10:41 AM

Because animals can't give consent. Seriously, that's the reason. They simply aren't mentally capable of giving consent.

Rubyx · Feb 19, 2016 at 03:26 PM

How do they give consent to each other then? With that logic they shouldn't be able to have sex with each other either. If I bend over and a male dog humps me, in what part of that did it not give consent?

Cosmicsight · Feb 20, 2016 at 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubyx

I'm more attracted to animals than humans. I've had sex with plenty of people, so it's not "I don't get enough" or something. Humans are also just animals. Why is it viewed as wrong?

Hey ruby its viewed wrong because mostly morals, people belive that animals are thoughtless beast and should be treated as such which means they don't have any rights or choices, but on observation stand I do honestly animals have a choice and can consent to things like that. I also need to metion that zoophile doesn't come without its share of bad like for instance do you know what a Beastie is, if not then allow me to educate, beasts are completely opposite from zoophile as beasts only care for personal pleasure ignoring what the animal feels, most beast and animal relationships are abusive and one sided, while zoophiles are two sided and no abusive. This is why people see it as wrong because they usually mix up zoophiles and beasties thinking there on in the same or it could be the consent issue so far there is no proof to disprove that animals can or can't consent.

Webgoji · Feb 23, 2016 at 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubyx

How do they give consent to each other then? With that logic they shouldn't be able to have sex with each other either. If I bend over and a male dog humps me, in what part of that did it not give consent?

Because while they have instincts, a dog, for example, only has the intelligence of a 2-year-old child. They don't understand what's happening, only that it is happening and they are acting out their instincts.

This is the same for underage children. Yes, all the parts work, but they don't fully grasp what is happening so they can't give consent properly. And taking advantage of a situation like that is abuse.

Rubyx · Feb 23, 2016 at 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Webgoji

Because while they have instincts, a dog, for example, only has the intelligence of a 2-year-old child. They don't understand what's happening, only that it is happening and they are acting out their instincts.

This is the same for underage children. Yes, all the parts work, but they don't fully grasp what is happening so they can't give consent properly. And taking advantage of a situation like that is abuse.

Dogs don't understand the "reason" behind anything we do or tell them. Do you think they understand the reason behind all the tricks or training we give them? How about meat farms? Do you think they consent to that? I would argue zoophilia is even more natural than the "unnatural" tricks we teach them. They're acting on the urges they have and enjoy it.

I don't agree with pedophilia the same reason I would disagree with, say, stimulating a puppy. They aren't sexually mature and won't bring up those desires. I don't "force" anything and I think it's wrong to, just as much as you. Again, if that's true, all sex that happens outside of human to human sex, is rape.

Dogs have personalities and urges as much as people do. They evolved with us and can understand our emotions and smell how we feel. Animals have very clear body language, as opposed to verbal language, that can be read. Sex between other species happens all the time; humans aren't special.

Feb 23, 2016 at 07:59 PM

Because we are humans. We do (well, the majority of us) have morals.

That is why it's wrong.

Rubyx · Feb 23, 2016 at 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sophiesmom

Because we are humans. We do (well, the majority of us) have morals.

That is why it's wrong.

That's not even close to a valid argument.

Feb 24, 2016 at 04:08 AM

Rubyx, your question was "why is it viewed as wrong?".

I gave you my answer to YOUR question. Webby gave you his answer to YOUR question.

It was not the kind of question that asked "Is it wrong", but "WHY is it wrong".

We told you why.

If you want to start another thread asking IF people think zoophilia is wrong, then I'm sure you will get more answers.

doyoutrustme · Feb 24, 2016 at 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubyx

Dogs don't understand the "reason" behind anything we do or tell them. Do you think they understand the reason behind all the tricks or training we give them? How about meat farms? Do you think they consent to that? I would argue zoophilia is even more natural than the "unnatural" tricks we teach them. They're acting on the urges they have and enjoy it.

I don't agree with pedophilia the same reason I would disagree with, say, stimulating a puppy. They aren't sexually mature and won't bring up those desires. I don't "force" anything and I think it's wrong to, just as much as you. Again, if that's true, all sex that happens outside of human to human sex, is rape.

Dogs have personalities and urges as much as people do. They evolved with us and can understand our emotions and smell how we feel. Animals have very clear body language, as opposed to verbal language, that can be read. Sex between other species happens all the time; humans aren't special.

i think animals of the same species actually understand eachother. you might think you understand, but you are justifying what happens for your own selfish needs. it's not even right to have sex with a "consenting" drunk person.

Rubyx · Feb 24, 2016 at 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sophiesmom

Rubyx, your question was "why is it viewed as wrong?".

I gave you my answer to YOUR question. Webby gave you his answer to YOUR question.

It was not the kind of question that asked "Is it wrong", but "WHY is it wrong".

We told you why.

If you want to start another thread asking IF people think zoophilia is wrong, then I'm sure you will get more answers.

No. You've all said "this is why it's wrong" not "this is why people think it's wrong". Zoophiles are by far the most heavily persecuted group of people alive today and I won't let a single weak argument against it stand.

Rubyx · Feb 24, 2016 at 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by doyoutrustme

i think animals of the same species actually understand eachother. you might think you understand, but you are justifying what happens for your own selfish needs. it's not even right to have sex with a "consenting" drunk person.

Well that's ****ing stupid. A dog scratches at the door and whines. I say "whoops can't understand anything you're trying to tell me sorry - and let it pee on the floor, then wonder "huh I wish it could have told me somehow". Two animals of different species have sex all the time. I guess they didn't understand each others' body language so that documented evidence is all fake. I bend over and a dog humps me. That's some pretty clear body language. You get what I'm saying? Dogs tell us plenty of things and they communicate with each other in the same way; body language and vocalizations. Surely you're not saying mute illeterate people are banned from sex or communicating any idea ever. I'm not justifying **** and my reasons are far from selfish.

doyoutrustme · Feb 24, 2016 at 07:43 PM

me thinks she doth protest too much.

Rubyx · Feb 24, 2016 at 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by doyoutrustme

me thinks she doth protest too much.

Also not an argument.

sabby · Feb 25, 2016 at 10:21 AM

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Why is it viewed as wrong?

Answers were given and arguments have ensued which are personal slams. This is also not a debate site, it's a support site. For those reasons, this thread is now being closed. Please do not create another thread to take it's place.

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Rubyx Member Member Since Feb 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 32 8 2 hugs given	Feb 19, 2016 at 10:30 AM #1 I'm more attracted to animals than humans. I've had sex with plenty of people, so it's not "I don't get enough" or something. Humans are also just animals. Why is it viewed as wrong?

Webgoji Grand Magnate Member Since Aug 2013 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 3,535 10 993 hugs given	Feb 19, 2016 at 10:41 AM #2 Because animals can't give consent. Seriously, that's the reason. They simply aren't mentally capable of giving consent. __________________ Helping to create a kinder, gentler world by flinging poo.

Rubyx Member Member Since Feb 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 32 8 2 hugs given	Feb 19, 2016 at 03:26 PM #3 How do they give consent to each other then? With that logic they shouldn't be able to have sex with each other either. If I bend over and a male dog humps me, in what part of that did it not give consent?

Anonymous37954 Guest Posts: n/a	Feb 23, 2016 at 07:59 PM #7 Because we are humans. We do (well, the majority of us) have morals. That is why it's wrong.

Anonymous37954 Guest Posts: n/a	Feb 24, 2016 at 04:08 AM #9 Rubyx, your question was "why is it viewed as wrong?". I gave you my answer to YOUR question. Webby gave you his answer to YOUR question. It was not the kind of question that asked "Is it wrong", but "WHY is it wrong". We told you why. If you want to start another thread asking IF people think zoophilia is wrong, then I'm sure you will get more answers.

doyoutrustme Poohbah Member Since Jun 2012 Posts: 1,384 11 175 hugs given	Feb 24, 2016 at 07:43 PM #13 me thinks she doth protest too much.